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02-06-2009, 11:00 AM
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Shim Stack analysis
I have begun some testing on a single shim to determine if the shim deflects in planer or compound bending. I have recently had discussions with a knowledgable engineer with experience in this area and we share the idea that shims are inherintely stiffer and more resistant to compound bending. I have been able to take measurements of the shim while under deflection, but it has not been consistent. Has anyone performed testing or analysis that I can rely on and move to more advanced testing?
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02-06-2009, 12:33 PM
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oooh I like this
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02-07-2009, 12:49 AM
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I have allways wanted to conect a strain gauge to the very outer edge of the shim and pull it .010" and see what it was in .001 increments . But I never camup with a reliable way to do it (in my brain at least) Kevin Stillwell is the only guy I know of who has played with this in depth ... there might be others ......
What have you tried ???
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02-07-2009, 05:50 PM
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shim deflection
Not sure a point loaded strain gage would replicate the distributed load of a fluid. The method I have used is a closed loop hydraulic system. I vary the flow and pressure and determine the deflection with a probe and dial indicator. I initially tried this visually by making incremented marks in the acrylic tube where the valve sits. This is a project in work, trying to get my measurements more consistent.
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02-10-2009, 08:10 AM
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sounds interesting but there are threads my english isn't enough. you may know that shims don't provide a linear curve (the more shims the more linear it is),of course thicker shims need much more force to bend and if you want take a look at my hydraulic dyno of different shims:
www dot supercross-online dot de/Z/shims-thickness.jpg
I think there's a site you should know if you don't yet:
www dot peterverdonedesigns dot com/damping.htm
as I said maybe your question has an other direction, then sorry for writing stuff you don't need....
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02-10-2009, 11:59 AM
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kawamaha,
Thanks for the post. I am aware of the that website, also that shim stacks are non-linear. I see from your measuring device sketch that you are experimenting using the same method I am. Interested in how you obtain 300+ ips and 290 psi. Also are you able to physically measure shim deflection accurately, or are you measuring flow and pressure only? Thank you again for your post.
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02-11-2009, 01:50 AM
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well, I guess I could meassure the shim deflection but never thought about it. if I ever want to do that I am sure it will be much effort.
I usually meassure the pressure, the flow is given by the control unit. to be sure the flow is the same at different stacks I switch between the two stacks with a valve (I know the flow isn't exactly the same after restart the pump circuit)
it's shown here:
www supercross-online de/Z/dyno.htm
due to a provider change page is still under construction
if you think 300psi is much I have to tell you I could go up to 3500psi 
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