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Quiet your bike to 65 db, or else!
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Posted by: Vic---------------------

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/19oc...4_countyban.htm

This calls for some letters to Ahhnold.

http://www.govmail.ca.gov

Posted by: RM_guy---------------------

Hmmm...I guess the grass will get pretty tall too since lawnmowers would certainly be too loud too. And if they tried to let their horses eat the grass the flatulence from said consumption would also exceed the sound limit.

And then there are the screaming kids…don’t even get me started…

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

gotta love California

Posted by: rv6junkie---------------------

When I first saw this thread I thought 65 db's was a typo for 95 db's. It's scary, but if the horse lovers make enough noise (no pun intended) this could become a law. I hope the AMA gets involved.

BTW, whenever I come across a horse rider on the trails I stop my bike, shut off the engine and take off my helmet (the horse will want to see your face). When I restart my engine, I make sure the horse is far away and that my pipe is facing in the opposite direction. Horses can get spooked easily and the rider can get hurt.

Posted by: JTT---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by rv6junkie

Horses can get spooked easily and the rider can get hurt.

...so ban the horses. Clearly an unsave mode of transportation

Posted by: OldassKDX---------------------

I like horses.....not as much as I like glue or dog food, but I like them.

Posted by: Ol'89r---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vic

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/19oc...4_countyban.htm

This calls for some letters to Ahhnold.

http://www.govmail.ca.gov

This meeting is TODAY. The item is next to last on the agenda, so they probably won't get to it until late this afternoon.

If you are not local and can't make the meeting, PLEASE e-mail your concerns to the Planning Commission.

The main meeting will be in about a month. The Planning Commission will decide on this and then submit their suggestions to the Supervisors. Then it will be up to the Supervisors to make the final decision. They do not always take the suggestions of the Planners (almost never) so, you may also want to e-mail the Supervisors.

This is not only a infringment on our rights to ride but, also on basic private property rights. Sending Ahhnold an e-mail or letter is also a good idea. Believe it or not, he is a motorcycle owner and enthusiast.

Even if you don't live or ride in Riverside County, if we don't stop it here, it will set a president and will be coming to a riding area or private property near you.

For God's sake, do sumthin.

Ol'89r

"The worlds a dangerous place to live. Not because of the people that are evil, but because of the people that don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein

Posted by: MX-727---------------------

This thread has links to the planning commission schedule:

http://dirtrider.net/forums3/showthread.php?t=105243

Posted by: bbbom---------------------

Didn't AMA already fight a similar battle over noise regulation discrimination against motorcycles. I think it was in Rhode Island or somewhere back east.

It was either AMA or BRC, I'll look in the mags at lunchtime and see if I can find the info.

Sounds like the same issue in another place. I'm glad our horse people like us here!!

Posted by: Ol'89r---------------------

[QUOTE=RM_guy] the flatulence from said consumption would also exceed the sound limit.
QUOTE]

Thanks for the tip RM_guy.

That's what I told em'. My horse can fart louder than that.

Had everybody laughing.

It was a good meeting. We didn't get out of there until 10:00 PM. We had good representation from the dirtbike community. Didn't see any other DRN'ers.

Obviously the people that made up the new laws had no offroad experience. We set them straight. It was a real eye-opener for them. Most of the horse people got up and left early.

The Planners decided to do a continuance of the matter until December 1st. at 1:00 PM. In the mean time they are trying to come up with some more reasonable ideas. They want some feedback from us and are now willing to work with the ohv community inorder to make it fair to everyone involved.

Score one for the good guys.

It's not over yet. We need to pack the chambers with ohv'ers on Dec 1st. Everyone else needs to e-mail or preferably write a letter to the Riverside Planning Commission.

When this is finally done, it will be a model for other Countys and States to follow. Like I said, even if you don't live or ride in Riverside County this could eventually effect you. Please write a short, polite letter explaining your passion for this sport and send it to the Planning Commission.

We have the numbers, we just have to come together and get organized. BTW. The biggest issue was NOISE.

Ol'89r

Posted by: RM_guy---------------------

Cool

I'll get an email out tomorrow

Posted by: slowmorider---------------------

I don't understand why its only a noise issue with the horse owners. My wife and sister have horses and our track is right next to the horse paddock and pastures. We start and run the bikes right where they saddle up the horses and it doesn't bother them. But when my wife wants to ride out on the property she has either me or my son ride the trails to spook away any animals. Because its the quiet little critters that spook the horses. We ride our bikes right by them on their horses it doesn't bother them. My wife says horses hate things that quietly sneak up on them.

So if your bike makes no noise at all it will still spook the horses. They need to make sure that noise is the issue with these horses. I know horses have more of a problem with mountain bikes.

Posted by: va_yzrider---------------------

Maybe the horses just need a little Prozak.

65 decibles is absurd.

Posted by: ktmboy---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ol'89r

........ BTW. The biggest issue was NOISE.

Ol'89r

All of you that own the new thumpers take notice: a 2 HP loss to quiet down that beast for trail use is worth it in the long run. We can't afford to lose any allies right now over noise issues.
BTW---yes, I run a quiet spark arrestor on my 2-smoke, which is tons quieter than the quietest thumper!

Posted by: 1tontj---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTT

...so ban the horses. Clearly an unsave mode of transportation

I AGREE WITH THAT!
Why do we have to move out - they are the ones with the incompatible transportation. Plus we outnumber them 100 to 1 (up here at least). Why does the minority of users always have the biggest say

Phil

Posted by: mtk---------------------

Horse owners, in general, have a whole lot of money. Those big hunks of dogfood-on-the-hoof aren't cheap to own.

In politics, money talks.

Posted by: Ol'89r---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1tontj

I AGREE WITH THAT!
Why does the minority of users always have the biggest say

Phil

The people that have the biggest say are the one's that show up to the meetings and speak.

You don't even have to speak. You just have to show up and fill out a speakers card. On this card there is a place to list if you are in favor of the item or opposed to the item in question.

You can check the box where it says, I am opposed to the item but do not wish to speak. Everyone has 3 minutes to speak. You can donate your 3 minutes to someone else if you want. If you live out of County or State, you can send an e-mail or a letter to voice your concerns. Or a phone call.

It is up to us to make a difference. If we don't bother to show up and speak our minds, we have only ourselves to blame.

It seems that most of us don't really care what happens as long as we still have our little sand lot to play on. As soon as someone builds a bunch of houses on that sand lot, we all scream, how could that happen!

Just because this is happening in another County or another State, doesn't mean it can't affect you. Rulings like this set a president and can become a model for other States to follow.

This was going to be a slam-dunk. Had we not attended this meeting and voiced our concern, these items would be on their way to becoming law. Now, we have another chance.

I really hope we pack the Chambers on Dec 1st.

BTW. The horse people have a legitimate bitch. The noise is a problem. We have the ability to do something about that.
If they couldn't hear us, they wouldn't even know we were there.

Ol'89r

Posted by: va_yzrider---------------------

mtk hit the nail on the head. Not only does money talk, but when you have a ton of money and aren't a working stiff like most of us "evil" dirtbikers, you have plenty of time on your hands to attend those meetings. I guess we need to use technology (i.e. email) to show our support.

Posted by: Ol'89r---------------------

[QUOTE=va_yzrider]
but when you have a ton of money and aren't a working stiff like most of us "evil" dirtbikers, you have plenty of time on your hands to attend those meetings. QUOTE]

va_yzrider.

With all due respect, HORSE PUCKEY!

I own and operate my own business. Like many of the people at the meeting, I closed my business for the day to attend the meeting.

Any more excuses??

Posted by: mtk---------------------

You have that flexibility, being a business owner.

Many others do not. I know plenty of folks who don't have to option of dropping everything for the day to go set some political hack's mind right. It's just a fact of life. It's also why these meetings are scheduled when they are: so people can't attend without it being a hardship.

Posted by: va_yzrider---------------------

Yep, my boss wouldn't take too kindly to me taking off from work to attend a meeting regarding dirt bikes. However, I guess I could take a vacation day. The thing is that I haven't had a reason to do that in my area yet. If someone were trying to close down my local track I certainly would though.

BTW, I did use the word "most." Why the hostility?

Posted by: bbbom---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ol'89r

If you are not local and can't make the meeting, PLEASE e-mail your concerns to the Planning Commission.

The main meeting will be in about a month. The Planning Commission will decide on this and then submit their suggestions to the Supervisors. Then it will be up to the Supervisors to make the final decision. They do not always take the suggestions of the Planners (almost never) so, you may also want to e-mail the Supervisors.

This is not only a infringment on our rights to ride but, also on basic private property rights. Sending Ahhnold an e-mail or letter is also a good idea. Believe it or not, he is a motorcycle owner and enthusiast.

Even if you don't live or ride in Riverside County, if we don't stop it here, it will set a president and will be coming to a riding area or private property near you.

For God's sake, do sumthin.

So you can't make it to the meeting can you email? I would think you could since you are able to post on the forums. Here is the email address and info from CORVA's website:

AMENDMENT TO ORDINANCE NO. 348 - Land Use Ordinance of Riverside County - CEQA Exempt - Countywide – All Supervisorial Districts. The proposed ordinance amendment proposes to add Article XIXf that provides development and siting standards for off highway vehicle usage within the unincorporated areas of Riverside County. (Legislative) Project Planner, Mark Balys, (951) 955-3150 or E-Mail at mbalys@rctlma.org
Staff Recommendation: APPROVAL

Further info on the meeting can be found here:

http://www.tlma.co.riverside.ca.us/...c102004.htm#top

Posted by: va_yzrider---------------------

[QUOTE=bbbom]So you can't make it to the meeting can you email? I would think you could since you are able to post on the forums. QUOTE]

Yeah, that was kinda the point of my post. Done and done. I hope they don't mind someone from 3,000 miles away chiming in on their (your) local issues, but I understand the reasoning. Good luck.

Posted by: Ol'89r---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by va_yzrider

The thing is that I haven't had a reason to do that in my area yet. If someone were trying to close down my local track I certainly would though.

BTW, I did use the word "most." Why the hostility?

va_yzrider.

I apologize for jumpin on ya, but I'm very passionate about this subject, Mainly because I'm a little older than some of you. Ok, alright, I'm a lot older than most of you,

and I have seen more offroad riding areas disappear than you would believe. Please don't wait until you are my age to realize how much we are losing.

Also, this is more than just dirtbikes. It is an infringment on basic private property rights. It doesn't matter if you own a dirtbike or not. Even if you live 3,000 miles away it can eventually effect you. There is a very good chance that meetings like this are already going on in your local government.

What I have found is, 'The squeeky wheel gets the oil'. The more people that show up and speak their mind the more likely those people will get their way. E-mails are ok, but they can be deleted and there is no record. (seen that happen.) Personal letters are much better and show more of an effort. Attending the meetings is best because it shows your passion for the subject and if you speak it goes on public record.

Do whatever you can do because it all helps our cause. Whatever works.

Thanks for posting the link bbbom.

Ol'grouchy

"The worlds a dangerous place to live. Not because of the people that are evil, but because of the people that don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein

Posted by: va_yzrider---------------------

No problem. It is quite obvious that you are very passionate about the subject, as you should be. I am very passionate about it as well, which is why I took the time to write. We have had private property rights conflicts here in VA that have gone both good and bad. Several of which the AMA got involved and really helped a lot. I agree that we need to kill the trend of infringement on private property rights. Thanks for your efforts on the other side of the country and good luck in your fight

Posted by: bbbom---------------------

Don't worry va_yzrider, I've sent many emails and letters on behalf of areas thousands of miles away and no-one has seemed to mind. Of course I rarely receive a reply so I guess I'm not so sure!

Actually, this one isn't in my backyard either but our state lawmakers had a similar idea last year concerning limitations on allowing the operation of OHV's on private property. Fortunately, we rallied enough people that it died before it made it very far.

It is true that the locals have the most pull when it comes to fighting for or against these issues but it never hurts to send a note.

I too have heard that emails can disappear, in fact what I've been told by others is that the best thing to do is to send a hand written letter to the people in charge of the decisions. I believe they said hand written letters are the most effective with printed personal letters next, then emails and the least effective is a form letter. I would suppose that attending the meeting would be up towards the top but only if you make sure they get your opinion in some type of record. Otherwise, I'd suggest the written letter along with your attendance.

But, to me, an email is better than nothing! Thanks for making the effort va_yzr!

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