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Carmichael, Reed or Stewart?
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Posted by: SoCalMatt---------------------

Ok everyone, put in your 2 cents.

Who is going to win the 2005 Supercross Championship?

It's a tough one this year. All three are very fast, more than capable and want to win very bad(although I think that goes without saying). You also can't leave out Windham, Pastrana, Vuillemin and good ol' Larocco. I can't wait to see the first Supercross in Anahiem. We are finally going to get some actual bar-banging, temper flaring racing, the winning streaks get old fast.

My vote goes to RC!

Since he couldn't defend his title in 04 I think he has something to prove and he is in better physical shape now than he has ever been in.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

My brand of logic says Reed.
From a purely emotional standpoint, I'd like to see Bubba win it; just to shut-up the haters if nothing else

Posted by: twoofeach---------------------

Finally, someone respects the kid enough to even include him in such a question. Bubba all the way and I don't think I'm going out on a limb picking him. Just putting it down right here before the season starts for all to see. 1)Bubba 2)who cares?

I don't know how vcash works but if I knew, I'd go "all in".

Posted by: Moteaux---------------------

I would like RC to win... But, I think it will be 1) Bubba 2) Reed 3) RC. It still should be some good racing!

Posted by: ochster---------------------

The bar has been raised...it will be interesting to see how many can dig deep to make a race of it. Just qualifying for the night show will be more of a challenge for many.

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

I was gonna make a vBet out of this, but it is a seasonal thing . . . Opinions?

Posted by: dante---------------------

I think bubba and reed will win some races... but I think Carmichael will win the points race at the end... Personally I'd like to see Bubba the sx title...

Posted by: SoCalMatt---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by XRpredator

I was gonna make a vBet out of this, but it is a seasonal thing . . . Opinions?

How about betting on weekly podium finishes?

Anahiem 1 = (1st)RC, (2nd)Bubba, (3rd)Reed

Posted by: Midhigh---------------------

OK, you said to put in your .02 worth. 1. Bubba is very fast, but gets rattled easy - he should be pleased with a top 5 when all is done considering the talent pool this year. 2. Windham, Larocco, & Wey are going to spoil the hopes for some if anyone gets stuck behind them and finds the leader checking out. 3. RC & Reed have the best chance - Starts are everything this year. 4. My hopes and support go out to my boy TP. IF he can stay healthy, focused, and is in good shape from the first gate to the last - I think he will be the fastest & has a good shot at the championship.

My 2 cents

Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCalMatt

You also can't leave out Windham, Pastrana, Vuillemin and good ol' Larocco.

If you are talking about the title, you certainly can leave them out. Great riders, but they will be fortunate to make it on the the podium in '05.

IMO, RC will earn the title in a close finish over the other two.

Posted by: twoofeach---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midhigh

OK, you said to put in your .02 worth. 1. Bubba is very fast, but gets rattled easy - he should be pleased with a top 5 when all is done considering the talent pool this year. 2. Windham, Larocco, & Wey are going to spoil the hopes for some if anyone gets stuck behind them and finds the leader checking out. 3. RC & Reed have the best chance - Starts are everything this year. 4. My hopes and support go out to my boy TP. IF he can stay healthy, focused, and is in good shape from the first gate to the last - I think he will be the fastest & has a good shot at the championship.

My 2 cents

TP? Talk about rattled and broken up. I wonder if he'll make it through the Anaheim rounds. For the record, I like TP, without him, X-Games wouldn't get half the ratings. I don't think Bubba will even smell a five except when he passes LaRocco. I agree, starts are going to be important (when aren't they?) and I don't see anyone running away with it but I don't get why everyone is saying Bubba gets "rattled" or rides "crazy". What evidence does anyone have to back up these assumptions? All I see is "blazing".

Posted by: Midhigh---------------------

I agree, starts are going to be important (when aren't they?) - qoute from twoofeach

Starts aren't everything when: 1. Bubba is riding the 125. 2. Reed and Windham are the only contenders. 3. RC is outdoors & on a 450f. 4. RC & Reed are in different heats. 5. when TP is not around (TP is excellent on the gate).

Just a few reasons I think the start is not only going to important, but needed as a must to win. Put Reed or RC back in 5-10 off the start - years past not a huge deal - this a major deal. as for bubba getting rattled - no real proof, just my .02

in fact all this is just my .02 I guess we will see soon enough.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:

I guess we will see soon enough.

NOT soon enough!!

Posted by: crazyYammi---------------------

You can rationalalize all you want, but Bubba's riding is irrational. I think he will be the first ever to win on their 250 debut, and barring injury win the national.

Posted by: Jon K.---------------------

Supercross is such a circus that any predictions can get blown on any night.

Bubba will win some races, but RC will win the championship. Stewart will be second (or fifteeth if he gets hurt).

Reed will be third (or second if Bubba crashes out).

Headcases Windham and Pastrana will join with Sun Myung Moon, and hang out at the airport.

Vuillamin and Larocco will finish behind Reed. Fourth and Fifth.

Who am I forgetting . . . . . hmmm . . . . . Is MC going to give it a shot?

Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyYammi

I think he will be the first ever to win on their 250 debut

McGrath won the title in his 250 SX debut, and there may well be others. I think there have also been a few guys who won their first 250 SX race but did not go onto the title. Tortelli and Bradshaw come to mind.

Jon K. - McGrath intends to race some rounds but will not be contesting the entire series.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:

McGrath intends to race some rounds but will not be contesting the entire series.

Seems I read that he said he'd "see how it goes" as well.

Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

In the past i felt i could make a guess and be fairly sure it had a chance of coming up correct, this season i dont feel that, however one thing i know, if the other riders used to race for 3rd behind RC and CR-they will be so demoralised now as they may never podium all year, it could so easily be bubba,RC and CR all top 3 every week for the entire season.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

It's been like that for a while tho? MC, then RC and then Reed ...

Posted by: DougRoost---------------------

Jon K nailed it. Never bet against RC, especially this year when he has lots to prove, along with Roger and the rest of the team. And Bubba will surprise many and cause them to push too hard...so long as he doesn't push too hard. It promises to be an exciting year indeed!

Posted by: Imho---------------------

I think RC for the championship but I must admit I'm not feeling real positive. Ask me again after Anaheim 1.

Posted by: SoCalMatt---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imho

I think RC for the championship but I must admit I'm not feeling real positive. Ask me again after Anaheim 1.

That about sums up how I feel. I like Reed, I like Bubba but I am a fan of RC.

Posted by: YZ165---------------------

Odds are RC..............no wait, Bubba, no, no, ............RC,.........forget it.

I have no idea, and that's what's gonna make this season great!

YZ165

Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

It's been like that for a while tho? MC, then RC and then Reed ...

yes but then the others(tort the rock etc) raced for 2nd or 3rd-you could see it easy-now they wont even podium.

Posted by: Kawidude---------------------

RC wins it, with Bubba second and Reed third. RC has a lot to prove and barring any mechanical problems, I think he will. I think Reed expects to win based on his momentum from last season, which may not carry over with Bubba in the mix. I just can't see Reed beating Bubba after that outdoor race a few years ago where Bubba let him pass and then passed him back. Bubba bought some real estate in Reed's brain with that move and I think it will work to Bubba's advantage.

Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

LOL i think it will be bubbas downfall-when he doesnt catch and pass reed what will his ego do??

Posted by: Treejumper---------------------

I'm going to go with Reed then RC. I think Bubba will windup making a mistake and crashing out. He is supper fast but bobbles alot and one of these days that bobble is going to bite him.

Posted by: twoofeach---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midhigh

I agree, starts are going to be important (when aren't they?) - qoute from twoofeach

Starts aren't everything when: 1. Bubba is riding the 125. 2. Reed and Windham are the only contenders. 3. RC is outdoors & on a 450f. 4. RC & Reed are in different heats. 5. when TP is not around (TP is excellent on the gate).

Just a few reasons I think the start is not only going to important, but needed as a must to win. Put Reed or RC back in 5-10 off the start - years past not a huge deal - this a major deal. as for bubba getting rattled - no real proof, just my .02

in fact all this is just my .02 I guess we will see soon enough.

Alright Midhigh. I agree with you about 98%. It's just that last .02 about Bubba. Hey, but that's close enough in my book. If you get tangled up out of the gate, it won't be a cake walk like last year.

Posted by: pro2k---------------------

1) Reed
2) Bubba
3) RC

It's hard to guess really. I think they will all make the top 3 but without knowing how Bubba will make the transition to the 250's it's hard to say. If he doesn't kill himself I'd say he will do VERY well. It will be interesting this year!! I just hope nobody gets hurt because of their pride.

Outdoors:

1) RC
2) Bubba
3) CR

Posted by: LazyBoy---------------------

I think Bubba will push himself to hard if he's not leading and will put himself on the ground. But I would like to see RC come out with the title just because it would be nice for suzuki and prove that there is no curse.

Posted by: steve125---------------------

One thing for sure, he won't be riding a 4 stroke..............ooooooh for some that has to burn

RC.. he won't win em all, but he will be Champ!

Posted by: Tiger---------------------

1. James Stewart (He has the ability to do it).
2. Ricky Carmichael (Smart money is here).
3. Chad Reed (He'll have a problem along the way).
4. Kevin Windham. (Beat Reedy 5 times last SX season!)
5. Michael Byrne?

Posted by: miko---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kawidude

I just can't see Reed beating Bubba after that outdoor race a few years ago where Bubba let him pass and then passed him back. Bubba bought some real estate in Reed's brain with that move and I think it will work to Bubba's advantage.

Indeed, the head thing might make a difference. But skillwise,
MX and SX are 2 different sports. Look back at MC dominating SX
while Jeff Emig held him at bay outdoor.

My prediction is for Reed to win. He will be the most consistent.
Bubba and RC are going to crash more often. Bubba because
WFO seems to be the only way he knows how to race, and RC is
too competitive to let him get away.

On a good day, KW and DV12 can be as fast as any of these guys.
So I can see them getting podium regularly if the other guys take each other (or themselves) out.

miko.

Posted by: john3_16---------------------

Quote:

I really don't think that that outdoor race will matter....Look how RC spanked Reed outdoors for two years straight but Reed was able to be competitive and win indoors...

Also, Reed has improved a great deal outdoors since that race and Reed is much better indoors than he is outdoors.

Let's face it...Anytime Bubba has been challenged he has lost his cool..Maybe he'll learn to deal with it but he's going to have to learn quick or already have it set in his mind come this season because he's not racing Broc Sellards, Travis Preston, or Greg Schnell anymore...

If Bubba gets a start and finds out he can't pull away and he's got RC or Reed on his rear wheel for 20 laps (these boys push to the end) he's going to get shaken.

Look, RC and Reed are flat out mean on the racetrack....Look what happen when Ron Ron was on his game...Look what it did to Bubba emotionally...I've never seen Ron Ron give RC or Reed any trouble.

I'm not saying that Bubba won't win or won't win the championship.....I am saying that I don't think it's going to be a runaway for anyone.

So, the bottom line is that none of these guys are going to have it easy this year if they all stay healthy and avoid mechanical troubles...To say Bubba is going to have it easy would be a mistake...

So, I can only tell you who I want to win because I have no clue who is going to....

So, my vote is on RC...I've never seen anyone as consistently at the top or close to the top of the podium.

Posted by: Chili---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by john3_16

because he's not racing Broc Sellards, Travis Preston, or Greg Schnell anymore...

Actually he is still racing Preston

I think Bubba will win the most mains this season but I'm still gonna hold out for RC to take the title.

Posted by: biglou---------------------

IF Bubba gets flustered and hits the ground, he won't be catching CR and RC to battle for the lead unless they go down too.

Indoors only (can't even think about outdoors yet),
1. RC
2. CR
3. Bubba
4. Ferry (If he stays injury-free...)

Posted by: Zoomer---------------------

Indoors,

#1 I am going with CR= he is always improving and very smooth
gets good starts, even if he is behind RC, I think he will pass him.

#2 Going to RC, again, i think CR has stepped his game up to RC level . He seems to be riding a bit OOC getting use to the zuk! witch will give CR an early advantage.

#3 (Wey out on a limb here) Nik Wey, while Bubba should be top three, he will be picking him self up to many times after getting flustered by the competition, letting the 4th place rider get 3rd. Wey isn't runnning there speed yet, but I think is the cream of the crop of also rans! and consistant

my 2c

but all this will change at the drop of the gate in January

and nobody knows how to figure in Murphys Law

Posted by: SoCalMatt---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by miko

On a good day, KW and DV12 can be as fast as any of these guys.
So I can see them getting podium regularly if the other guys take each other (or themselves) out.

I agree, that's what is going to make this next season so spectacular. You also can't leave out Pastrana. As long as TP can stay healthy, he will be up in the front as well.

We've got RC, Reed, Bubba, Windham, DV12, Pastrana, Wey, Larocco and Mcgrath fighting for podiums this year. Man, it's really going to be a tough betting season.

Posted by: nectar---------------------

...bubba will win it all if he can keep it on two wheels cause lap times do not lie, and the fact is he was doing lap times to place him in the top 5 in the 250class when riding his underpowered 125....its scary to think what he'll do on a 250....

Posted by: Zoomer---------------------

wasn't RC and others also running laps as fast or faster then the 250's on there 125's. I remember a guy beeting 250's and 500's over in Europe from the USA on a 125, don't think he ever had a championship? (think it was Johnny O ??)

that extra power might just put him on the ground, time will tell.

Posted by: twoofeach---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by nectar

...bubba will win it all if he can keep it on two wheels cause lap times do not lie, and the fact is he was doing lap times to place him in the top 5 in the 250class when riding his underpowered 125....its scary to think what he'll do on a 250....

Spread the news nectar. Just tell it like it is. Besides, those dance moves after he wins are very entertaining..albeit cheesy...nevertheless, very entertaining. CR can't bring down the house like that.

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by nectar

Lap times, schmap times. Mike Alessi and his ol' man chirped about lap times. They only matter when you are beating people in the same race.

Posted by: twoofeach---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by XRpredator

Lap times, schmap times. Mike Alessi and his ol' man chirped about lap times. They only matter when you are beating people in the same race.

Yeah, then "the little man that could" landed on the podium in his second 250cc outdoor national.

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Podium, schmodium. Everyone only really remembers who won.

Posted by: twoofeach---------------------

XR Predator,

Have you considered riding children's books? I don't know anyone that can bust out rythmes like you. That or "hip hop rapper". I'll let you decide.

Posted by: Chili---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoomer

wasn't RC and others also running laps as fast or faster then the 250's on there 125's. I remember a guy beeting 250's and 500's over in Europe from the USA on a 125, don't think he ever had a championship? (think it was Johnny O ??)

Yes RC's lap times were simliar to Bubba's in comparison to the 250 class when he was on a 125.

Posted by: Chili---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by twoofeach

Besides, those dance moves after he wins are very entertaining...

My guess is that if Bubba dances in front of RC he will be picking his bike up at some point the following week wondering what hit him.

Posted by: nectar---------------------

...all I'm saying is that bubba consistantly placed top 5 times on modern supercross tracks with a bike that had less hp than the majority in his own class....Now, if you wanna make the leap to liken that to Mike Alessi who was running with a bike that made equal if not more hp than the majority in his class plus the kid weights 120lbs soaking wet...well go ahead, but you really can't be serious....And let the truth be told...Alessi only raced the 250's to avoid racing head to head with bubba....

Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

Most previous top 125 pilots make similar lap times to the 250s, a 125 is lighter and can be chucked around more, a 250 has more power but isnt always 100% usable.

Posted by: biglou---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by twoofeach

XR Predator,

Have you considered writing(?) children's books?

Now that's funny right there, I don't care who you are!

Posted by: twoofeach---------------------

...dirt bike, schirt bike..piston, schmiston..bull crap, bullschrap. I think I got it down. Anyway, what do I know? That's why they race first and give out the trophies at the end of the night. SoCalMatt asked for everybody's .02 cents. Man, I think I got a good .15 cents invested in this thread. I've exceeded my limit. I'm ouuut.

Posted by: rydesred---------------------

im alittle late on this thread. my .02 are going to RC. im not sure that he'll run away with it but i think hes the man to beat.

Posted by: SoCalMatt---------------------

RC=1st, Reed= 2nd, Bubba= 3rd

Who is going to Anahiem 1?

I am there man!

Posted by: rydesred---------------------

being im here on the good ole east coast im gonna miss all of em. quess ill just have to settle for some tv coverage that will come on at wierd hours and will more than likely mean ill miss it.

Posted by: SoCalMatt---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by rydesred

being im here on the good ole east coast im gonna miss all of em. quess ill just have to settle for some tv coverage that will come on at wierd hours and will more than likely mean ill miss it.

ESPN2 is going to have next day coverage of each Supercross, except for Daytona I believe. So every Sunday we will be able to see the race from the night before! No more waiting a whole week.

Thumbs up to ESPN2!

Posted by: rickyd---------------------

My vote goes too Bubba, been a pro now for 3 years, he's learned alot.. I think the only one that can beat Bubba is Bubba himself.. Gonna be exciting hopefully,
Rick

Posted by: whyzee---------------------

I'll have go with Chad both indoor and MX, something tells me the guy has is working like no one's business. One thing for sure, it is going to be one hell of a season.

BTW, what ever happened to the vBet? Nik, did you fall asleep on the job?

Pred, writing childrens books, .... Horror, non-fiction more like it. LOL

Posted by: YZ165---------------------

How much vCash you gonna put on Reed for the year Whyzee?

How about Anaheim I?

Posted by: whyzee---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by YZ165

How much vCash you gonna put on Reed for the year Whyzee?
How about Anaheim I?

i can't find the betting wheel anymore. did Okie disable the feature?
SX, i think Chad will win all but 3.
Bubba will get 2 and Ricky 1.

MX, it's going to come down to points, not first's but overall season points. the Suzuki curse should hit RC by April.

everything else is just a battle for 2nd.

A-1:
CR win
Bubba place
RC show

Posted by: YZ165---------------------

Well, considering the amount of vCash you have won in the past, I aint gonna bet against ya.

As far as the bet thing goes, I can't find it either. Haven't heard anything about it. I'll ask the locals in the pit in the morning. YZ165

Posted by: TheGrinch---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by john3_16

I agree with most of that john3_16, except I'm hoping Chad will win, followed by Ricky then James for third overall.

I like all 3 riders but favor Chad (I have to support the Aussie) and RC over Bubba.

Posted by: BPJNT---------------------

Bubba is my favorite rider, RC is the best of all time, BUT Reed may be unstoppable indoors. Reed will take Anaheim.

BPJNT

Posted by: tnrider---------------------

RC all the way - Bubba may win a few but in the end RC will wear him down, lap-by-lap and event-by-event. Bubba will find out that the "big boys" are serious about this. The upside is that Bubba is a quick learner and will certainly be in the fray for the long term - perhaps next season...

Posted by: nephron---------------------

All you anti-Stewart guys need to tell me a SINGLE time that Bubba got 'worked up' and lost a race...ie, the race was lost because he was 'rattled'. Getting 'rattled' and still winning the race despite other impingements isn't what I'd worry about at all.

I'm waiting.

...and all these guys are going to be rattled anyway. Ever realize we get to see essentially 2 250 mains? There's 3 of them, so any 2 have to end up in a heat race. Man, this is gonna be good!

Posted by: SpectraSVT---------------------

I don't think its not being able to finish that the rattling will effect. Its race after race. Bubba was noticeably different after his 2 close races vs. his complete domination races. If he can deal with it week after week he's all good. He's been used to winning by big margins for awhile now. I don't see him winning like that anymore. Can he adjust and be happy with close races or will he walk right past RC and CR without giving a handshake?

Posted by: Teedo---------------------

Reed

Posted by: tony91---------------------

Check the forcast for Anaheim the next two days. It's gonna rain...a BUNCH! You can't bet against RC in the mud.

Posted by: dante---------------------

it is pouring rain here right now... and has been all day and last night also... I'm a little bummed I was hoping for perfect conditions for A1... The weather man was saying that during the weekend that their may be breaks in the weather and then it'll dump rain all over again... Don't they cover the track with tarps or something until the race starts like in baseball or something...

Posted by: mxracer2000---------------------

A little off topic but does anyone know if there is going to be a live internet broadcast of the race and if so where?

Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

you can find the link for the internet broadcast at www.pacesupercross.com

Posted by: Jon K.---------------------

Cut from Weather.com;

Weekend Forecast for
Anaheim, CA
Friday Jan 7
Windy with rain likely. Low near 50F. Winds SE at 20 to 30 mph. Chance of rain 90%. Rainfall may reach one inch.

Saturday 8
Heavy Rain / Wind High
60°F
Low
50°F

Precip: 100%

detailsWindy. Rain, heavy at times early. High near 60F. Winds S at 25 to 35 mph. Rainfall possibly over one inch.

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