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Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

THAT was a good time.

The tourch is being passed ladies.

1) JBS (won practice & the main going away, no crashes)
2) RC. No crash in the main (knarly one in his heat, had to run a semi), but had nothing for Reed and JBS, hung with Reed tho)
3) Reed. Crashed trying to run JBS' pace.

We got some great pics of the AWESOME display of sportsmanship after the win... JBS drops his bike and hit the ground... RC pulls up, drops his bike, give JBS a big ol hug, then they held each other's arms up as in "he's the man". Very cool.

Oh and to the JBS deniers?

Travis was Travis. Looked fast in practice (best laps of the weekend (practice); JBS, Reed TP, RC. 2 laps in to his head, balled it bad in the whoops, limped-off. Came back for a semi, worked thru the pack lead most, Tort got him at the end. TP did not show for the main . Really is a shame, but now I'm on the "he should retire" wagon.

Note: Tort's 450 was FAST in the sand section.

Good times with a bunch of DRN'ers~! We're all off to Nocona to ride tomorrow and practice some our new found Bubba skills. Pray for us all.


Posted by: rickyd---------------------

Way too go BUBBA!!
I dont think Reed was reelin him in, i think Bubba got out thre and ran some 50 second laps then backed off..

Sounds like WIndham was on the gas and passing, i heard he was 16th on the 1st lap??

Too all the Bubba Haters,


Posted by: john3_16---------------------

The weather was beautiful..We got to see WSB champion Colin Edwards in the pits so that was cool.

RC's heat race was a disaster...First a lapper was down on the track behind a blind jump at the end of the whoops causing RC to fall, then after a couple of laps he did another front end washout after getting up...He didn't figure out the rythym section until the last couple of laps of his semi...RC looked smooth in the main though and seemed to have the front end dialed in..

In the main Reed made a mistake right before the sand section and RC passed him and then RC let Reed by in a "protect mode" move then pressured Reed the whole way and they came up on some lappers and Reed did an RC-like front end washout....Looks like Reed's championship hopes went down the tubes...

In his heat race Reed nearly did a major loop out in the rythym section, I couldn't believe he actually saved it...

Bubba was on tonight...He was the only one with no major bobbles...I was impressed because he didn't try any crazy jump combos or anything, just fast and smooth...Long start straight and the 2 strokes still have it!

Grant Langston should've gotten on a Kawasaki a long time ago! Huge turn around career move for him...


Posted by: jfisher304---------------------

Windahm had bike problems on the gate, then got a bad start. He did start clicking off passes quickly. In the 125 class Hansen took out Josh Grant in a heat, then Grant had a DNF in his semi. Langston leaves with the poin tlead after winning the main. Hansen finished mid pack. Bubba's pace was amazing, Reed rode his butt off only to be taken out by a lapper. Those guys have gotten in Ricky's head and it showed. Travis needs to hang it up. That get off in the whoops was UGLY, and looked like it rung his bell again. I Really like watching the kid ride, but his time on a supercross track is done. All in all, we had GREAT seats and a damn good time. I look forward to Houston.


Posted by: Senior KX Rider---------------------

1 259 James M Stewart Haines City, FL Kawasaki KX250 20 --- Kawasaki Motocross Racing
2 4 Ricky Carmichael Havana, FL Suzuki RM250 20 5.206 American Suzuki Motor Corp / Makita / Bridgestone
3 22 Chad Reed Dade City, FL Yamaha YZ250 20 17.351 Yamaha Motor
4 103 Sebastien Tortelli Lake Elsinore, CA Suzuki RMZ450 20 40.407 American Suzuki Motor Corp / Makita / Bridgestone
5 5 Mike Larocco Corona, CA Honda CR250R 20 43.439 Amsoil Chaparral Honda
6 12 David Vuillemin Murrieta, CA Yamaha YZ250 20 49.32 Yamaha Motor Corp / Bridgestone
7 14 Kevin W Windham Centreville, MS Honda CRF450R 20 56.738 Amsoil Chaparral
8 13 Heath D Voss Mico, TX Yamaha YZ450F 19 --- Yamaha, No Fear, Spy, Gaerne, Bridgestone
9 70 Travis A Preston Hesperia, CA Honda CRF450R 19 --- American Honda Motor Co Inc
10 15 Timmy M Ferry Largo, FL Yamaha YZ250 19 --- Yamaha Motor Corp / Bridgestone
11 24 Ernesto Fonseca Murrieta, CA Honda CR250R 19 --- American Honda Motor Corp
12 38 Ryan D Clark Waddell, AZ Yamaha YZ250 19 --- Team Solitaire.Com / Fly Racing
13 47 Tyler D Evans Corona, CA Suzuki RM250 19 --- Bloodshot / Skaterade / No Fear / Pro Circuit / Utopia / DVS / Metal Mulisha
14 111 Jay Marmont Murrieta, CA KTM 250SX 19 ---
15 55 Joseph W Oehlhof Hesperia, CA Honda CRF450R 18 --- Subway / Coca Cola / Answer / DGY / Michelin / Scott / Pro Circuit / Honda / MB1
16 33 Jason W Thomas Melrose, FL Honda CRF450R 17 --- Subway / Coca Cola / Answer / DGY / Michelin / Scott / Pro Circuit / Honda / MB1
17 171 Cole T Siebler Emmett, ID Suzuki RM250 16 --- Bike Sellerz.com / Carls Cycle / Fly / MB1 / Sidi / Scott / Works Conn
18 20 Damon W Huffman Valencia, CA Honda CRF450R 16 --- TeamECC.com / Honda / AXO / Jardine / Honda Pro Chemicals / Dunlop / Utopia / Applied / Vortex / Acerbis / Execute / VP Fuels / Hot Cams / Hot Rods / Twin Air / Stomp / SDG / Ferodo Brakes / Troy Lee
19 51 Andrew T Short Murrieta, CA Honda CRF450R 8 --- American Honda Motor Co Inc
20 199 Travis A Pastrana Davidsonville, MD Suzuki RM250 0-DNS --- Red Bull / Cernic`s / American Suzuki / Michelin / Parts Unlimited / Thor / Alpinestars / DC Shoes

RACE


Posted by: Senior KX Rider---------------------

1 8 Grant Langston Murrieta, CA Kawasaki KX250F 15 --- Monster / Pro Circuit / Kawasaki
2 188 David D Millsaps Cairo, GA Suzuki RM250Z 15 2.484 American Suzuki Motor Corp / Makita / Bridgestone
3 122 Matt Walker Mcdonough, GA Kawasaki KX250F 15 22.36 Monster / Pro Circuit / Kawasaki
4 100 Joshua Hansen Elbert, CO KTM 250SXF 15 31.197 Red Bull KTM Race Team
5 141 Steve Boniface Murrieta, CA Honda CRF250R 15 32.09 Samsung Wireless / Sprint / Honda / Powerbar / Ultra Polish / Volere / Dep Sport / No Fear / Von Dutch / Champion Built / One / FMF / Scott / Tag / Engine Ice / Ferodo / Mastercraft / Dunlop / Acerbis
6 36 Troy K Adams Brooksville, FL Honda CRF250R 15 42.477 Samsung Wireless / Sprint / Honda / Powerbar / Ultra Polish / Volere / Dep Sport / NoFear / Von Ductch / Champion Built / One / FMF / Scott / Tag / Engine Ice / Ferodo / Mastercraft / Dunlop / Acerbis
7 39 Kelly D Smith Ludington, MI Yamaha YZ250F 15 45.883 Yamaha Boost Mobile Troy Racing
8 18 Brock Sellards Sherrodsville, OH Yamaha YZ250F 15 50.211 Boost Mobile Yamaha of Troy
9 37 Ryan Mills Clintondale, NY KTM 250SXF 15 51.569 Red Bull KTM Race Team
10 40 Greg S Schnell Rancho Cucamonga, CA Honda CRF250R 15 53.841 Motosport Outlet,White Bothers,MSR,Honda, Arai, Gaerne, Renthal, Spy, ASV, Applied, Factory Effex, Dunlop, Acerbis, RG3, SixSixOne, Twin Air, Hot Rods, Hot Cam, Wiseco
11 198 Jacob Saylor Knoxville, TN Yamaha YZ250F 15 58.06 Star Racing / Yamaha / Fly / WPS / NCY / Bobby J's Yamaha / FMF / Tag / Dunlop / Wiseco / Motul / Polisport Plastic / V-Force / Galfer / Hinson / Regina / VP / Applied / Factory Effex / Lightspeed / Spy / Enzo / Vortex
12 827 Chad T Johnson Rhinelander, WI Yamaha YZ250F 15 59.222 Factory Yamaha / Shogun / Motion Cycle Sports / Thor / GYT-R / CPI / ProCircuit / Works Connection / Scott / Alpinestar / Dunlop / RK / Renthal / Twin Air / PEK Perf / Hinson / Braking / Moshpit / Fact Effex / Korupt
13 89 Kevin W Johnson Albuquerque, NM Yamaha YZ250F 14 --- Team Faith / Fly Racing / Bobby J`s Yamaha / Maxxis / FMF / DZ Graphics / Renthal / Motul / Pro-X / Scott / Hinson / Twin Air / Gaerne / High Impact Motors / CTI / Ride Engineering / Regina / South Berne Church / Extreme Colors Helmet Painting
14 73 Justin Buckelew Riverside, CA Honda CR125R 14 --- Moto XXX / Honda / Oneal / Akrapovic / TiLube / Dunlop / Utopia / Tag / Sidi / Braking / Pro X / Ready Filter / Pro Honda Oils / Vortex / Metaltek / VP / Polisport / Hinson / Engine Ice / SDG / Atomic 22 / RK / Motion Pro
15 304 Bradley J Ripple Crown Point, IN Suzuki RM250Z 14 --- Babbitt / Maxxis / LA Sleeve / Pro X / Transient Motorwerx / Scott / Castle Racing
16 127 Randy J Valade Howell, MI Honda CRF250R 14 --- Motosport Outlet,White Bothers,MSR,Honda, Arai, Gaerne, Renthal, Spy, ASV, Applied, Factory Effex, Dunlop, Acerbis, RG3, SixSixOne, Twin Air, Hot Rods, Hot Cam, Wiseco
17 84 Tyson D Hadsell Hudson, FL Yamaha YZ250F 14 --- BSY / ONeal / Dr.D / Dunlop / Scott / Vortex / ICW / Works Conn / Factory Conn
18 81 Thomas L Hofmaster Grand Prairie, TX Suzuki RM250Z 14 --- Motoworld Racing.com / Suzuki / Fly / Healthy Fontana / Young Homes / FMF / Race Tech / Alpinestars / Bell / Tag / Silkolene / Fuchs / Spy / Tristar / Dunlop / Acerbis / One / Carbon Lorraine / Wiseco / 661 / Braking Motion Pro / Ready / Tasanary / Sunline / RK / Excel / VP / Hinson / Vortex / Fast Line / ARC / Ogio / Ultra Polish
19 685 Tucker J Hibbert Centreville, MS Honda CRF250R 13 --- Motosport Outlet,White Bothers,MSR,Honda, Arai, Gaerne, Renthal, Spy, ASV, Applied, Factory Effex, Dunlop, Acerbis, RG3, SixSixOne, Twin Air, Hot Rods, Hot Cam, Wiseco
20 756 Shawn M Clark Montgomery, IN Kawasaki KX250F 12 --- Kawasaki Team Green / Pro Circuit / Dunlop / No Fear / Spy / Silkolene / Sunstar / Link Inc
21 129 Jeff Dement Kingwood, TX Suzuki RM250Z 9 --- Maestro / Edwards Racing / K`s Motorsports
22 68 Branden L Jesseman De Witt, IA Suzuki RM250Z 4 --- PPG / Motoworld Racing.com / Suzuki / Fly / Healthy Fontana / Young Homes / FMF / Race Tech / Alpinestars / Bell / Tag / Silkolene / Fuchs / SPY / Alpinestars / Tristar / Dunlop / Acerbis / One / Carbon Lorraine / Wiseco / 661 / Braking / Motion Pro / Ready / Tassanari / Sunline / RK / Excel / VP / Hinson / Vortex / Fast Line / ARC / Ogio / CSI


Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by ellandoh
1 jbs
2 rc
3 cr



Posted by: evenslower---------------------

That was a great moment b/w Bubba and RC. I still can't believe the boos RC gets though............


Posted by: Dirtbike'n man---------------------

Go Bubba !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and for all you nay sayers


Posted by: super rat---------------------

You would think Bubba won a title, with the way you guys are acting. He has 1 250 win and 2 125 titles, in case you forgot.


Posted by: Mixel---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by john3_16
Reed did an RC-like front end washout.....


Reed actually got tangled up with a lapped rider, his front wheel clipped the back wheel of the lapper and carmichael just rode right around him.


Posted by: rickyd---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by super rat
You would think Bubba won a title, with the way you guys are acting. He has 1 250 win and 2 125 titles, in case you forgot.

troll


Posted by: super rat---------------------

Call me whatever you want but them is the facts. Sorry if it bothers you.


Posted by: rickyd---------------------

that we act like he won a title?? And you call that a fact?? Didnt see anything in this thread about a title.. Troll


Posted by: super rat---------------------

We must be reading two different threads. Anyway, I think you're way cool.


Posted by: Ol'89r---------------------

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Posted by: john3_16---------------------

Pastrana's semi and the heat race with KW and Reed were the best races all night..


Posted by: Someone---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by john3_16
Pastrana's semi and the heat race with KW and Reed were the best races all night..


I agree. The 250 main was not that great of a race with Bubba walking away(same kind of race I am used to seeing but with RC up front). I can't wait for outdoors!!!


Posted by: Midhigh---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Okiewan
3) Reed. Crashed trying to run JBS' pace.



Reed was actually making up time on Bubba late in the main and walking away from RC. A lap rider took Reed's front wheel out on the last lap. Bubba did look awesome early and pulled away. last 8 laps he was losing time to Reed. Get him in top shape & he will run from everyone.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

The reaction is justified and mainly for all the haters... you know; too stoopid to stay on two wheels, fast for one lap, can't go 20 laps, too immature, RC will school him, can't handle a 250, rides over his head .... it goes on and on.

Had you been there and seen to THE two fast guys made to look "normal", you might have found it impressive.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Midhigh
Reed was actually making up time on Bubba late in the main and walking away from RC. A lap rider took Reed's front wheel out on the last lap. Bubba did look awesome early and pulled away. last 8 laps he was losing time to Reed. Get him in top shape & he will run from everyone.


I think if you check the lap times, you'll notice JBS crusing the last 2-3 laps, showing some of the restraint most say he doesn't have.


Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

Okie you still dont get it IMO, you think all the 'haters' dont know Bubba is fast WE DO, we KNOW he will win races-no question, But he stays on for one weekend and you claim he has got rid of his demons and doesnt crash-lets see if he can even get through next week-i doubt it, i would lay cash on him crashing in the few remaining races, and as for him ever trying to get close to RCs 2 perfect seasons???

One single ama 250 win doesnt make him the new king -he is what place in the championship now?

And i dont hate him, i think he has unreal talent with a very young head(not his fault he is very young).He will make mistakes but does seem to learn after chucking away a couple of championships.


Posted by: jfisher304---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Okiewan
Had you been there and seen to THE two fast guys made to look "normal", you might have found it impressive.


It's funny you say that. I had a friend with us who has recently taken up riding, and this was his first supercross. He knew that RC was supposedly the best ever, Reed had been beating him etc. During the heat race with Bubba and RC, he looks at me and said "I thought that RC guy would be faster that. The dude on the Kawisaki is making him look like the rest of the field."

It was much more impressive in person than on TV. Half way through the main and the gap from Bubba to Reed was huge. They were almost on oposite ends of the stadium from each other. Bubba slowed up his pace alot in the last few laps. He was jumping the triples high and slow, he wasn't whipping and scrubbing everything to make speed. Reed did close up some, but if he would have even been close, Bubba could have driven off at will. Bubba also had the best line through the sand section choosing to run down the sides of it in the smoother parts instead of up the middle through the ruts like most everyone else. He was much faster through the whoops than RC and a little faster through them than Reed.


Posted by: Mixel---------------------

Stewart looked very fast to me too. He pulled a huge lead early on, and then seemed to go on cruise control. He wasnt pushing to go faster every lap after he got his lead built up. Reed and Carmichael looked to be running about the same pace, but it was obvious that Carmichael didnt want to battle with Reed. He passed him at one point, but just let him go right back around instead of putting up a fight and risk falling. Reed had 2nd place in the bag until the last lap with the lapper. I thought Carmichael rode a very smart race. He looked like he was happy to settle for 3rd, but still left himself in position to make a pass if Reed made a mistake.


Posted by: yzguy15---------------------

Here's my opinion, which I feel fairly qualified to give as I was standing on the track for over 9 hours yesterday flagging practices, qualifiers, heats and mains (just before the sand section).

TP looked awesome. Real bummer that he went down in his heat. I missed how it happened, but he went back out for the semi and did make the main but decided not to race apparently. Also, he's got a pimped out Bently that he left in. Wow is all I can say...

Bubba is a freak.

Tyler Evans looked really good in practice until he wadded it up in practice in the sand.

They flattened out the sand section a lot before the races started. Everybody was having trouble with the section in practice, even Bubba and RC were getting sideways. After they flattened it out everybody made through no problem. I had to flag at least once in every practice for that section, and in most practices I had to multiple times. Once they flattened it out I didn't get the flag out again. Matt Walker actually crashed in almost the same spot on his first practice lap of BOTH practices.

RC looked good also, but didn't seem like he had the fire that he has in the past. In fact, it seems like he never does as well in Dallas because we're always a late round and he's out there protecting points. I don't see another perfect season for RC outdoors, but I'll be rooting for him for sure.

Others: Tim Ferry looked pretty fast, but seemed like he faded by the end of the night, nothing spectacular. Same for LaRocco (without the fading of course).. looked good but not great. Totelli was very fast also, which was somewhat surprising to me. I think he ended up 4th. Windham got a terrible start and actually showed some heart in charging back, but it was too little too late. He started second to last and ended up 5th or 6th. Without a good start there's no way RC, Bubba and CR can be caught.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:
Tyler Evans looked really good in practice until

... the opening ceremony where he looked like a complete idiot.

No comment for Marcus other than, it used to be 1 lap, then it was 20, now it's 1 race, next it'll be one championship, then 4 championships ...

BTW, imagine the spanking if JBS had a front brake.


Posted by: steve125---------------------

I look forward to the outdoors. Watching all the lawnmowers chasing Bubba on the weed wacker.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by steve125
I look forward to the outdoors. Watching all the lawnmowers chasing Bubba on the weed wacker.
Is RC gonna be on a lawn boy or what?


Posted by: steve125---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Okiewan
Is RC gonna be on a lawn boy or what?


I'm sure he'll be a thumpin. Maybe Bubba will close out the 2 smokes as the last 125 and 250 outdoor Champ??


Posted by: bclapham---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by super rat
You would think Bubba won a title, with the way you guys are acting. He has 1 250 win and 2 125 titles, in case you forgot.


Rat is right- no one ever denied JBS wasnt the fastest rider on the planet, but you have to finish 16 races to be champ. So far, he has finished 2 and the others about 11-12!


Posted by: bclapham---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by marcusgunby
Okie you still dont get it IMO, you think all the 'haters' dont know Bubba is fast WE DO, we KNOW he will win races-no question, But he stays on for one weekend and you claim he has got rid of his demons and doesnt crash-lets see if he can even get through next week-i doubt it, i would lay cash on him crashing in the few remaining races, and as for him ever trying to get close to RCs 2 perfect seasons???

One single ama 250 win doesnt make him the new king -he is what place in the championship now?

And i dont hate him, i think he has unreal talent with a very young head(not his fault he is very young).He will make mistakes but does seem to learn after chucking away a couple of championships.


LOL, although Marcus is right on the money here, i have noticed a lot of cynicsm from him of late. it seems to coincide with him buying that RMZ!!!


Posted by: steve125---------------------

See Bubbas holeshots in his heat and the main?? If he does that outdoors, that will have a lot of 450 riders scratchin their heads. I wonder if the AMA will then pass a rule that allows for turbos??........


Posted by: Midhigh---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Okiewan
I think if you check the lap times, you'll notice JBS crusing the last 2-3 laps, showing some of the restraint most say he doesn't have.


just my .02
but crusing only due to not having the shape to go all 20 laps hard. I understand bubba is fast and will win alot. but crusing or not Reed was making up time and he was taken out by a lap rider - he did not crash because he can't run bubba's speed.


Posted by: bclapham---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by steve125
See Bubbas holeshots in his heat and the main??


my bleedin VCR broke on saturday night.


Posted by: Tiger---------------------

Kawboys swept both mains! :D

Still, RC is the man. He was amazingly gracious to James Stewart at the end of the race. Kudos to RC. He was hammering at the end and Chad Reed knew it...so much so he was looking backwards towards RC for a while before he fell over. Funny stuff afterwards.

The premier Supercross class is dominated by 2 strokes indoors, get over it!

The support class Kawasaki/Suzuki 250F twins swept the podium. Impressive! Davi Millsaps is entertaing as heel to watch ride!

Joah Hansen has worn out his welcome in the support class. If he takes out someone else (needlessly) again he may get his pencil neck wrung no matter who his father is. (We love ya Donnie!)

...as you were.


Posted by: rickyd---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Midhigh
just my .02
crusing or not Reed was making up time and he was taken out by a lap rider - he did not crash because he can't run bubba's speed.


I thought it looked like Reed ran into the back of Travis Preston, Preston was holding his line, up too Reed too get by..

They mentioned something about Hansen and Josh Grant going at it in teh tunnel after the race.. ANd Hansen has got a warning from WHitlock..


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:
but crusing only due to not having the shape to go all 20 laps hard.

Sorry man... that's just wrong. Read the threads in here about RC playing to win the championship, letting Reed go by (which he did at Dallas), etc... there is a time to go balls out and then cruise to the flag. McGrath made a freakin career of that. Why hang it out if you don't have to?

One of the complaints about Stewart has been him wanting to win by as much time as possible, everytime out.


Posted by: Someone---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Midhigh
just my .02
but crusing only due to not having the shape to go all 20 laps hard. I understand bubba is fast and will win alot. but crusing or not Reed was making up time and he was taken out by a lap rider - he did not crash because he can't run bubba's speed.


I think that Bubba is in shape, as good as shape as anyone. The last few laps when Reed was gaining on him looked more like Bubba not pushing it to eliminate mistakes, and win the race, not because he was tired. He is learning (in his own words) that he doesn't need to push as hard as he thought he would need to since he's coming in late in the series. He was expecting to need to ride on the edge, when it turned out, that he didn't need to, to win. He's just faster than he needs to be.

Edit. (in his own words) wasn't his actual words, but the meaning of what he said. He basically said (from the way I took it), is that RC and CR weren't as fast as he expected them to be this late in the series.


Posted by: KX_Ken---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiger
Still, RC is the man. He was amazingly gracious to James Stewart at the end of the race. Kudos to RC.


I with you on that. I'd bet my last dollar you'll never see that kind of conduct from Bubba. A few years ago RC was labeled around here as the guy that "didn't represent the sport well" (anybody that was around here in 2001 should remember that). Looks to me like he has represented the sport very well.

What was that comment Bubba made? I can't quote it but it was something like I thought these guys would be faster.


Posted by: steve125---------------------

Anyone notice early in the main that Bubbas front brake assembly was loose and moving up and down on the bar? To ride at the pace he did with that going on, is really something!


Posted by: fatherturtle---------------------

Man oh man I have to say JBS is the man. No matter What ever you guys say JBS is the man and the future of this sport. As far as I can tell there is three races in the 250 class JBS, RC and CR and windom with the rest of the field. I think JBS is a Diamond in the rough. That guy is in a whole another catagory than the rest. Man next Satarday I will see these guys in person. All I can say is nice to See green. Don't get me wrong RC is the man also but I think he got a reality check at Dallas.
MX is going to be another story. I love the too smoke but I don''t think it is going to be competive against the thumpers in the long strait aways. Long live the smoke.


Posted by: pace---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by bclapham
So far, he has finished 2 and the others about 11-12!


He's finished 3 mains, which coincidentally is the same number that he's been on the gate for.

It's difficult for a person to finish something he never started. Do you perchance work as some kind of political spin doctor?


Posted by: Tony Eeds---------------------

Photos of Dallas SX can be found here.

They show in reverse order so start with page 3 (first image) and work your way backwards through page 1.

A few of the more than 400 Lou and I took with my camera.


Posted by: Someone---------------------

That's what I hate about taking pics, you can't enjoy the show as much. Wish I could see them.


Posted by: Tony Eeds---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Someone
That's what I hate about taking pics, you can't enjoy the show as much. Wish I could see them.


One of the benefits of membership ...

To join just go into your "User CP", then go to the bottom left item titled "DRN Subscriptions".


Posted by: Timr---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by bclapham
my bleedin VCR broke on saturday night.


Replace it with a DVR.


Posted by: XR3J---------------------

Well, I tell you what. That is quite an experience. My wife and girls enjoyed the whole deal, and were mad when I told them it was the last race.
Bubba sure looked good. We were 16 rows up on the opposite side of the stadium from the sand section (with the step on step off section and the triple) and Bubba was just hauling over the step on/off section. He was so far ahead by the second or third lap that he never really had to do the "scrub" over the triple. An excellent weekend! Thanks again to Twinspar and JeffD for facilitating the pit passes, and to Okie for getting them to me. Sorry I never made it back for some grub, but we spent a lot of time in the pits, then decided to head in to the stadium to chack everything out. Hopefully we can get down there again, and we all won't be so star struck and be able to hang out with you guys more. Jerry


Posted by: CaptainObvious---------------------

My observations from 1,500 miles away…

JBS’s speed from the hole-shot was unreal. It looked like he was on a 250 and everyone else was on a 125. The speed he carried through the first turn, in and of itself, gave him a 2 second start from the first lap.

All season long I’ve been hearing how RC learned the “Bubba scrub” and was using it to good effect. Indeed, he did and was. But wouldn’t ya know it, Bubba changed the bubba scrub. JBS kept so low on the jumps he made ‘em look like whoops.

Reed looked great! I was so sad to see him make that mistake during the final lap, but that’s racing. I was happy that he was able to stand on the (short) box though.

The 125 East series has been a lot of fun to watch. Every week there is a new hero.

ESPN2 sucks.

Heath Voss was the highlight rider of the week. That dude lives some life. Dang.

At the end of the 250 Main I thought they were showing clips from DW03 of Pred and Milk, but soon realized that it was JBS and RC hugging. RC is smart to “embrace” the future king of SX.


Posted by: Zoomer---------------------

My observations from Wisconsin, hey.

I recorded the races to see them later in the day, as this was one of the first really nice week ends in the great cold north.

I got to see the entry level 250's, and then the heats of the big bikes, which was some great racing,.. The main, engines racing, gates ready to drop..., up pops SPONGE BOB SQUARE PANTS


LUKE, GET IN HERE


Posted by: Micahdawg---------------------

I think RC should have given Bubba a thumbs up and headed off the track. Instead he jumps in the picture...stealing Bubba's thunder and holding hands, huggin...etc... Please. RC just wanted some spotlight too.

ALL Bubba. He was the man. No denying it. RC looked off an on. Very off in the heat race. Looked like he was settling in for a while in 3rd, then started pushing and quickly gained on Reed. But I don't think he could have beaten Reed....that is if Reed didn't tangle with the lapper.

Reed was looking great. Just sucks so bad that he ran 19 great laps with one bobble and then washed in on the last one. He never relaxed and was riding at his full potential the whole race. Yes he was pulling in Bubba, but it was due to Bubba relaxing a bit. Like it was said elsewhere....even if Reed got in sight of Bubba, Bubba would have just kicked it up a notch.

Reeds head is still as clear as it was when the season started. He'll just swallow this pill and bring it next time. RC's head is getting messed up though. Bubba looks like he could care less about the mental game and is having fun riding.

There's always next week.

Micah

P.S. For the Reed wash-out....it was Reeds fault. He was too preoccupied with RC on his butt and looks to have misjudged right were he was at. The lapper was in the way, but if Reed paid a little more attention he would have been fine


Posted by: Patman---------------------

Bubba looked great, he won the race, he did have a few near minor near misses that could have gone bad but I think they all do. Reed lost the race when he clipped a tough block and let Bubba put a gap on him then went down late in the game. RC never looked comfortable on the track. Lots of if's and but's possible, I believe if Reed hadn't of clipped the TB early on we would have seen a really good race for the win between him and Bubba. The results might have been the same or they might not have because maybe Bubba would have bobbled who knows for sure, nobody. I think we're going to see some good racing since Reed really has nothing to lose so why not go all out and win some races since the championship seems out of reach.

Oh and just to tweak Pred.... I bought a RC Tshirt! I think he's really become a better champion than he's been in the past. More real person and less stone face droid.


Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Patman
Oh and just to tweak Pred.... I bought a RC Tshirt! I think he's really become a better champion than he's been in the past. More real person and less stone face droid.

How could you?!?!? We're gonna have to revoke your "RC's gonna auger" membership card now!


Posted by: Jon K.---------------------

I'm thinkin' that RC went over to Bubba to make sure he didn't do some stupid dance.

If Bubba had been break dancing on the ground, I would have voted for RC to run him over.

Looked like Bubba put five seconds on them with the holeshot. And the field never recovered from that trauma.


Posted by: Dragmeistr---------------------

Great race, I personally think that RC had the speed to catch Reedy anytime he wanted to. He was just in cruise mode protecting the championship for Suzuki. He was reeling him in quickly the last lap. No doubt Bubba was gone though, I do not think anyone had anything for him that night.


Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by pace
He's finished 3 mains, which coincidentally is the same number that he's been on the gate for.

It's difficult for a person to finish something he never started. Do you perchance work as some kind of political spin doctor?

Sorry pace but you seem a tad confused??? he missed most of the series due to a crash in the practice leading up to the main, this IMO is far far worse than crashing in the main-technically he has finished in all the mains hes started -but thats only 3 and he crashed in two. Just to remind you he missed most of the season due to the earlier crash and now cant win the series-i know you know all this, but i cant see how your answer really proves much?

Okie should take note of these statistics i just wrote-not that impressive when viewed this way??


Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Okiewan
... the opening ceremony where he looked like a complete idiot.

No comment for Marcus other than, it used to be 1 lap, then it was 20, now it's 1 race, next it'll be one championship, then 4 championships ...

BTW, imagine the spanking if JBS had a front brake.


He had a front brake but it didnt work as it should

I said bubba would win dallas i said he will crash out at the start of the season, i said rc would start to crash at the exact time he did-im telling you now bubba wont make the end of the outdoors season-he wont win the championship

Im not saying he wont learn from these mistakes.I never said he couldnt do a lap or 20

The difference is your impressed by bubbas speed -im impressed by RCs championships, lets face it RC has no real style and is a short arse which IMO isnt good for mx, yet he has the most ama wins.Its a record bubba will take a long time to match assuming he wins every race for the next few years.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

So what's the point Marcus? You refuse to see the light until the records are already set and championships won? Pretty easy to be impressed by something of YESTERDAY ... kinda obvious don't you think? It's pretty obvious that things are about to change... you coming along for the ride? MC lovers refused RC when it happened, RC lovers refuse JBS now.

I don't doubt that no one may EVER beat MC's or RC's records... (well, I guess James already has beaten some of RC's, at least the ones he's had a shot at so far), but hey, they doesn't mean by ANY stretch that JBS is faster and more talented than RC.. TODAY. Winning multiple championships is a lot more than speed, we all know that silly man, the question is... let's say JBS wins, uhh.. 4 titles and retires. Does that make him a lesser SX/MX'er than RC? I don't think so... it simply means he hung it up sooner. If he spanks RC/Reed/Everyone in regularity for the rest of the time he elects to ride... then what? Still not as "good" as RC? Just trying to determine where you are coming from.

RC is short? JBS is virtually the same height.
No brake/ brake not "working as it should" ... are you kidding me? What's the difference?

You sir, you have an amazing crystal ball working!
Quote:
im telling you now bubba wont make the end of the outdoors season-he wont win the championship
That, I'm marking down!

This is fun, let's do it some more please.


Posted by: bclapham---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Okiewan
It's pretty obvious that things are about to change...



Okie, did you get your crystal ball from the same place as Marcus???


Posted by: Uchytil---------------------

Ya'll some kinda experts? I'm headed over to Pontiac to watch JBS put a whippin' on those other boys. I can't wait till the outdoors, I guess I'll have to make it to more than 4 races this year. The group I was with (during Dallas) thought what RC did with James )at the end of the Main) was a little "gay" - course they are youngs fellas (20's and 30's).

Keep up the great work experts, you should listen closer to Rat.

This is fun, who's next?


Posted by: Someone---------------------

Bubba won't make the end of season outdoors? Now people are reaching for anything now. Wishful thinking for some I guess.


Posted by: john3_16---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by steve125
See Bubbas holeshots in his heat and the main?? If he does that outdoors, that will have a lot of 450 riders scratchin their heads. I wonder if the AMA will then pass a rule that allows for turbos??........



That was a pretty long straight too..so much for the "four stroke power"...

His KX did sound pretty strong too.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:
The group I was with (during Dallas) thought what RC did with James )at the end of the Main) was a little "gay" - course they are youngs fellas (20's and 30's).

Gay? 20-30's You've got to be kidding. Sounds more like 10 year olds with inferiority complexes. That was one of the coolest things I've seen in SX or MX.


Posted by: john3_16---------------------

RC wasn't even close to pushing it... When Reed made a mistake before the sand section RC clearly let Reed by on the very next straight...RC isn't going to give Reed the chance to do a takeout move...


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by john3_16
RC wasn't even close to pushing it... When Reed made a mistake before the sand section RC clearly let Reed by on the very next straight...RC isn't going to give Reed the chance to do a takeout move...

Agreed on that ...


Posted by: Uchytil---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Okiewan
Gay? 20-30's You've got to be kidding. Sounds more like 10 year olds with inferiority complexes. That was one of the coolest things I've seen in SX or MX.


Actually I don't think so, but who really knows. The coolest thing, that's a stretch for anybody IMO. I would say a "scrub" is "super-natural" but a hug


Posted by: CaptainObvious---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Okiewan
Pretty easy to be impressed by something of YESTERDAY ... kinda obvious don't you think?


Right-on!


Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

Okie the whole point of my comments is bubba goes so fast as he is willing to go over the line-thats why he crashes sometimes(they all do) and looses championships(they all dont) he could easily win-he is the fastest in the world IMO but wont necessarily show it with his results-so hes the fastest but not the best-its not rocket science LOL.


Posted by: Jon K.---------------------

[QUOTE=FORTYPLUS]Ya'll some kinda experts? QUOTE]

Ummm . . . . . actually . . . . . yes!!!!


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by marcusgunby
Okie the whole point of my comments is bubba goes so fast as he is willing to go over the line-thats why he crashes sometimes(they all do) and looses championships(they all dont) he could easily win-he is the fastest in the world IMO but wont necessarily show it with his results-so hes the fastest but not the best-its not rocket science LOL.


I guess then, we are talking past each other ...
If it takes a certain number of titles to be the best, ie; that's the only criteria, then it's quite possible RC will always be the best.... historically.


Posted by: BEEF706---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Okiewan
RC will always be the best.... historically.

Don't you love it when I get to take a quote out of context


Posted by: nephron---------------------

What's funny is that most anti-JBS folks would like to think he's out of control all of the time. When I saw practice, I knew that 1) Stewart wasn't going down and 2) he would win the race. To have been there watching him go through the whoops--?not a whoop guy?--he came out of the turn harder than everyone else, had more entrance speed, and simply strafed the top of the whoops. The bike looked like it was barely tilting, and his ass end was as straight as an arrow. Everyone else, Reed included, were dropping their rear wheel into the whoops.

I don't know what was wrong with RC, but he didn't have it at all. It was almost like he was sick, or felt bothered to be there?

Sorry I missed you guys at Nacona. I got there about 3 hours after you left. Riding my 500 over those jumps was like watching a whale fly. What a track!


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Would have been cool to meet up there ... you've got to love the 500 on that track! It wasn't nearly as deep/loamy as it's been in the past, but still really good.

So tell the truth, which line did you take in the first turn, right or left?


Posted by: Micahdawg---------------------

Not that I think Bubba is out of control, but did anyone see his practice jump where he scrubbed....for whatever reason I have no idea...and landed on the OUTSIDE of the bails about 12 inches from solid concrete floor. Then locked em up and slid across the concrete, spun around and went back on the track.

I wouldn't say he's out of control, but he's got it more on the edge than most. Which can be very rewarding...and can also brake arms.

Micah


Posted by: nephron---------------------

Quote:
So tell the truth, which line did you take in the first turn, right or left?


Okie, by the time I got there, most were gone so I never even looked for the gates, to be truthful! I just started at the 's' on the SW corner and went from there. Are you talking at the end of the 3 pseudo-tables in front of the 'grandstand'?


Posted by: Ryone---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Okiewan
Gay? 20-30's You've got to be kidding. Sounds more like 10 year olds with inferiority complexes. That was one of the coolest things I've seen in SX or MX.


Totally agreed RC congratulated him like a true sportsman, then got the heck out of the spotlight. He didn't stay there trying to share it with JBS, he just "saluted" him and rightly so. RC even said in the post-race interview how hard everyone works to get their first 250cc win. He's a true champion and it shows. He's not cocky anymore, he even laughed about how he wants a 250 win.

RC congratulating Bubba, along with RC saluting the king were two of the most memorable events this season so far.

Ryan


Posted by: nephron---------------------

The only thing slightly strange about it was that when asked "What did you say to him?"--he responds abruptly, almost defensively...NOTHING! I was right there and saw his jaws flappin' myself.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by nephron
Okie, by the time I got there, most were gone so I never even looked for the gates, to be truthful! I just started at the 's' on the SW corner and went from there. Are you talking at the end of the 3 pseudo-tables in front of the 'grandstand'?

Yup. Finish line, table, right hander.


Posted by: Ryone---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by nephron
The only thing slightly strange about it was that when asked "What did you say to him?"--he responds abruptly, almost defensively...NOTHING! I was right there and saw his jaws flappin' myself.


You saw his jaws flappin' while his goggles and helmet were on? I saw a close-up of it on TV and couldn't tell if any words were exchanged.


Posted by: nephron---------------------

Inside.....but oh, so slow!


Posted by: nephron---------------------

Quote:
You saw his jaws flappin' while his goggles and helmet were on? I saw a close-up of it on TV and couldn't tell if any words were exchanged


1) neck muscles
2) head movement
3) Bubba leaned in to hear him better




Posted by: Ryone---------------------

I think you're looking into this a little too much, nephron. It doesn't make a difference if he said anything or not... who cares? Defensive? How was RC defensive? What does he have to hide?

Wow... you must have to be cool to use all those "blah" emoticons.


Posted by: CR Swade---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by nephron
1) neck muscles
2) head movement
3) Bubba leaned in to hear him better



who cares...I'd like to think they were exchanging recipes for lemon bars, or better yet which flavored pop tart they prefer.


Posted by: john3_16---------------------

I can't believe someone would actually critique what RC did....Looks like good sportsmanship to me and it also added some excitement to see the champ celebrate with him.....RC has always been gracious in defeat and RC was also probably a little excited to see his points race padded after having a bad night...Those guys both live in Florida and they've grown up together...A 250 SX win is a big deal to a guy who's been dreaming about it all his life and RC gave credit where credit was due...SX needs that kind of sportsmanship...

How boring is it to just give the thumbs up and riding off like you're going to cry...


Posted by: pace---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by marcusgunby
Sorry pace but you seem a tad confused??? he missed most of the series due to a crash in the practice leading up to the main, this IMO is far far worse than crashing in the main-technically he has finished in all the mains hes started -but thats only 3 and he crashed in two. Just to remind you he missed most of the season due to the earlier crash and now cant win the series-i know you know all this, but i cant see how your answer really proves much?

I was responding to bclapham's inference that he can't stay on the bike. I think you fellas are confused. Bubba had one heavy fall that took him out in the second round. Beyond that, it's idle speculation how much he would, or would not have crashed. It's pretty difficult to crash out of races you never started, hmm..

Observe:
Quote:
Originally Posted by bclapham
So far, he has finished 2 and the others about 11-12!

Using the same logic, we find that Ricky didn't manage to finish a single race of the 2004 SX season, while Kevin and Chad finished all 16. You see where this line of reasoning gets us, eh? Bottom line; it's a deliberate distortion through omission of facts.

The crow is pretty sour at this time of year.

-pace


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------




Posted by: D Lafleur---------------------

Finally got to see 2 minutes on 2 Wheel Tuesday. Great race, RC gave JBS the respect he deserved. JBS on the podium talks like a kid, oh wait he is still a kid. Great ride, JBS, you earned it. CR had a decent ride, but was never in a position to win, the lapper incident made it look like he was more worried about RC than JBS. This years SX season didnt quite turn into the snore fest it appeared to be. Great year to be a fan.


Posted by: nephron---------------------

Quote:
RC was also probably a little excited to see his points race padded after having a bad night...


Exactly what I thought. And you hypersensitives who think I ever said anything bad about RC need to pluck the frickin' cataracts from your eyes and take another look.

My question was one of curiosity---only. What exactly would he have said, and then avoided speaking about it? Because, yes, that's what happened. Again...I saw it myself. Any more haranguing, take it to the.....never mind. Too much caffeine this am.


Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by nephron
...never mind. Too much caffeine this am.

put down the scalpel, doc! Don't want no twitchy hands!


Posted by: JMD---------------------

I thought Ricky's hugfest with Stewart was a little bit much, too. I think he wanted to look like a good sport--and he is a good sport--and he just got carried away. But I liked his honest answer on the podium that he "knows how he feels winning a 250 main. I'd like to feel it again myself." That was good.



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