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Bubba is no longer the "Next Guy"
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Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

He's one of THE guys. I won't yet say he's THE GUY, because one race does not make one so, nor does two. A title, or at least a majority of a series, will make that so.

My only question is, who's the next "Next Guy"?

By the way, these are "THE guys" (and Travis Preston, LOL):
http://www.racerxill.com/RXimages/r...as/0sx12rx1.jpg

Posted by: Mrs.YZ165---------------------

Go Bubba!!!!

Posted by: super rat---------------------

http://www.racerxill.com/RXimages/r...as/0sx12rx1.jpg

That's not Reeds fault, he can't get the front wheel to stick, I hear it has something to do with tat aluminum frame. On a side note, I've been hearing rumor that Bubba was on a cheater bike, 265 or something. If you look closely you can see a spacer under his cylinder, that KX sure did look fast.

Posted by: BEEF706---------------------

My vote for the next next guy, ........ Davi Millsaps, gotta learn to start and hope they put more whoop sections in

Seriously he looks like a winner to me, looking forward to seeing the east/west shootout in Vegas. His only problem is he isnt all that much younger than Bubba, which means the podium is gonna be crowded when he gets up to the 250's

Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

Broc Hepler has a very bright future, IMO.

Posted by: jboomer---------------------

I don't think you all are looking far enough into the future! Broc and Davi aren't much younger than Bubba...and you know he's going to be around a while! It's a bad time to be entering the pro ranks right now!

Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

Though Bubba is still young, he has moved up to the 250's.

Any rider who takes charge of the 125 class over the next two years will be touted as 'the next big thing' and a future challenger to Bubba on the big bikes.

Besides the leading candidates Milsaps & Hepler, other young guys with potential for future 250cc titles include Alessi and maybe Andrew Short & Josh Grant (still learning and very fast). And Grant Langston's only 22 and has world and USA championships - he's got new life.

Posted by: Shig---------------------

It's a done deal, Bubba is THE guy. He won Dallas with such authority that I don't know how anyone could question that he is the most dominant rider in motocross. Some say that RC was riding conservatively at Dallas to protect his title, but it didn't look that way. If he was holding back, then Windham would have passed him. The way RC and CR were battling and crashing, it looked like both of them were pushing as hard as ever. As for the outdoor series, it will be the same story.

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

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Originally Posted by Shig

It's a done deal, Bubba is THE guy. He won Dallas with such authority that I don't know how anyone could question that he is the most dominant rider in motocross.

One race does not make THE man. John Dowd pulled off a similar win at Charlotte a few years back. Did that make him THE man? Reed walked away at Daytona this year. LaRocco lead Indy wire to wire last year. Ramsey beat RC a couple years back.

one race does not make THE man

Posted by: Patman---------------------

I don't think Bubba won with "authority" he did win but Reed was closing the gap he let get created when he hit a tough block. Reed then went down in the last laps and could make the gap up. RC just didn't look comfortable on the Dallas track in neither the practice sessions or the race. I would hand over the crown just yet, maybe next year though.

Posted by: JMD---------------------

You know, we could hand Bubba the championships right now, I guess, but I think I have a better idea. LET"S RUN THE RACES FIRST.

Posted by: Glitch---------------------

XRpred, you could speak of those other men that won a race or two, but they did not own the 125 class, then come into the 250 class and in his second or third race, beat the pros who have been winning in the class for years.

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Okay Glitch, I got another name for you . . . Damon Bradshaw.

Posted by: Glitch---------------------

We shall see, but i'll keep my faith in stewart, however lame you may think that to be.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

I was sitting 10 feet from Patman watching the same race... Reed gained SLIGHTLY on JBS with 2 laps to go, JBS had hit the cruise button. Had Reed not been trying to spot JBS at the end of the section he would've clipped Preston.

No wonder lawyers say eye-witnesses are bad witnesses.

Posted by: BEEF706---------------------

No denying his speed right now, but THE MAN is measured in 250 championships(, (or 500 back in the day) the premier class, not the 125's. I think JBS will probably be THE MAN in the future but not yet, look into Ron Lechien, Danny Chandler, etc. Many were LOTS faster than their contemporaries but never won major championships I don't think JBS is gonna fade into that catagory but we don't know yet.

Posted by: Ryone---------------------

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Originally Posted by BEEF706

No denying his speed right now, but THE MAN is measured in 250 championships(, (or 500 back in the day) the premier class, not the 125's. I think JBS will probably be THE MAN in the future but not yet, look into Ron Lechien, Danny Chandler, etc. Many were LOTS faster than their contemporaries but never won major championships I don't think JBS is gonna fade into that catagory but we don't know yet.

Exactly. A month ago, everyone was in awe of how fast, unbeatable and consistent RC was... now, he's just some guy on the podium next to Stewart and Reed.
Stewart is fast, there's no denying it. If he keeps a good head on his shoulders and stays healthy, there's some championship trophies waiting for him. Then he'll be the man.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Let's define "The Man"
2 versions IMHO;

1) The Man, Historical version. The Man with the most championships.
2) The Man, Current version. The fastest currently out there. The one that raises the bar/takes it to the next level.

You could even go 4, The man with the most indoor titles and the Man with the most outdoor titles.

IMHO, The Man #1 above should be renamed, the King, once there is a new current The Man.

Posted by: JMD---------------------

Could a woman be The Man? Or can a queen be The King, if he dresses nice? Just wondering.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Yes, a Woman can be The Man. I rode a little with Kendall (MX547's daughter) yesterday, between the two of us, she was The Man.

However, that doesnt not make me the "Queen". I have an old age exemption.

Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

As the Kendall example show, it all depends on context!

The Man = Roger DeCoster. No parenthesis or asterisks required. Was, is and will always be The Man.

The King = Jeremy McGrath. Was, is and will always be the the King. Even if by some miracle someone wins ten titles in 250 SX (ain't gonna happen).

The Man (Contemporary Version) = RC. You can't be called by Roger's name unless you have MX titles. Lots of 'em.

The King (Contemporary Version) = RC. Will win his fourth SX title this year and has never lost a title to Chad. Chad and Bubba can't be king until they have beat RC for a championship.

Crown Prince & Heir Apparent = Bubba

Fastest Human Alive = Bubba (or whoever won that week's round of SX or AMA nationals).

Posted by: Senior KX Rider---------------------

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Originally Posted by BEEF706

I'm with Beef on this one. Until he starts hanging some 250 #1 plates on his mantle he is just another fast guy. An extremely fast guy but RC is almost surely to take the #1 plate and that makes HIM the man until that changes. He could become the man outdoors this year, that remains to be seen. Hope RC CR and KW step it up and make the best outdoor season in history

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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he is just another fast guy.

Talking pure speed and skills on a bike, even without a single title, he's not just "another fast guy". Regardless of results, there is no one as fast. Of course that and .25 will get ya a phone call. Then again, that alone has already gotten him enough to retire.

Posted by: Shig---------------------

Maybe I didn't see the same Dallas SX that others did. The race I saw had Stewart a second or two ahead before the Bubba Scrub was even a factor. Maybe I should adjust my TV reception because my set showed him something like 15 seconds ahead of RC and CR with just a few laps remaining in the race. Stewart rode flawlessly while RC and CR were falling. He was connecting a section that, according to the announcers, nobody else was. Granted, one race does not make him a champion. However, there is more than enough evidence from prior races, lap times, 125 class victories, etc. for me to see the writing on the wall. I mean, seriously, the kid breaks his arm in the second race, then returns to the top of the heap in the same season?! Championship or not, he's the most talented rider in the world right now. If you had to bet your life on the next SX, who would you choose?

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

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Originally Posted by Shig

If you had to bet your life on the next SX, who would you choose?

as much as it pains me, RC.

Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

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Originally Posted by XRpredator

as much as it pains me, RC.

First Patman buys an RC shirt, and now this?!? You guys forget to change your calenders from April Fool's Day? It's either that or hell has frozen over.

Posted by: Patman---------------------

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Originally Posted by Okiewan

I was sitting 10 feet from Patman watching the same race... Reed gained SLIGHTLY on JBS with 2 laps to go, JBS had hit the cruise button. Had Reed not been trying to spot JBS at the end of the section he would've clipped Preston.

No wonder lawyers say eye-witnesses are bad witnesses.

10 feet away? Might be a little exaggeration there. Maybe 4' since Okie was switching between 1 and 2 seats away from me and I know my seat was't 5 feet wide

I guess it's all just a perspective thing.

So Okie yucked it up with Bubba after the race and was told by Bubba he went to cruise mode? Nope he was hangin' in the parking lot with me. Maybe Okie can read Bubba's mind? Can't say for sure. I can say for sure that Bubba's lead dropped pretty dramatically in the last half of the race, heck even the people behind us that sounded like they just fell off a turnip truck in front of the stadium on their way home from a NASCAR race thought Reed was catchin' up pretty quickly, I mean what more could you ask for?

In the end Bubba got his first 250 win and that's cool. He's got a ways to go until he's one of the big dogs in my book though. Maybe at the end of 2006, I guess time will tell.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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10 feet away? Might be a little exaggeration there. Maybe 4' since Okie was switching between 1 and 2 seats away from me and I know my seat was't 5 feet wide I guess it's all just a perspective thing.

Come on pat, don't ruin it!!! I have (certain) people convinced that this:

|........| is six inches.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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told by Bubba he went to cruise mode

Nope, okie can read lap charts ansd see clearly that when reed turned a faster lap, Bubba turned one faster. When Reed turned a slower lap, Bubba turned a slower lap. It's all in black and white... he went as fast as he had to. THAT should scare the CRAP out of everyone in the 250 class.

It's all about the science of Moto you tree monkey.

Posted by: john3_16---------------------

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Maybe I should adjust my TV reception because my set showed him something like 15 seconds ahead of RC and CR with just a few laps remaining in the race. Stewart rode flawlessly while RC and CR were falling.

At the finish of the race he was 5 seconds ahead of RC...Wether it was cruise control or he was tired his lead got wittled down to 5 seconds...Not taking anything away from Bubba, he was fast and smooth and won the race fair and square.

Oh, and RC did not fall at all in the main and rode pretty smooth and conservatively, nor did he battle with Reed...Reed made a mistake that let RC by then the next straight before the finish line RC slowed dramatically on the straight and just gave it to Reed..RC clearly did not want to do any battle with Reed that would possibly result in a takeout move.

Posted by: BEEF706---------------------

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Originally Posted by XRpredator

as much as it pains me, RC.

That must have hurt, you OK big guy?

I too am looking forward to the best oudoor season ever, and I even hope that RC will pull a SX win or 2, but SX is such a confidence game ( we have watched it ebb and flow this year between RC and CR) and who's got the confidence now?

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

the flow you speak of .... good point.
But why is it, CR loses all he needs to early each year so RC can go into protect mode? The fact (seems to) remain, CR can't win a title with RC in it.

Posted by: BEEF706---------------------

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Originally Posted by Okiewan

But why is it, CR loses all he needs to early each year so RC can go into protect mode? The fact (seems to) remain, CR can't win a title with RC in it.

I think RC is in Chad's head a little bit, kinda like why Texas can't beat OU

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

In my best Will Pattison: Right On.

Posted by: YZ165---------------------

There is no "next guy" in the visable pipeline yet as far as I can see. Milsaps is fast, so is Alessi, but neither is the next McGrath/Ricky/Bubba.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

I don't know YZ165... Hepler, Milsaps ? Maybe both turn out to be KDubs?

Posted by: super rat---------------------

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Originally Posted by YZ165

There is no "next guy" in the visable pipeline yet as far as I can see. Milsaps is fast, so is Alessi, but neither is the next McGrath/Ricky/Bubba.

I'm gonna start calling you rubber man, cause that's one big stretch. Bubba has 2 125 titles and 1 250 win.

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