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Grant Vs. Hansen
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Posted by: Midhigh---------------------

I guess I missed what Grant was so mad at Hansen for this last week in Dallas. I understand Hansen got the best of him at Daytona and he tried to pay Hansen back. If grant was going to cry about anything that would have been the time to do it. But at dallas grant took out Hansen and then because of it didn't even make the main. Now both are hit with probation and fines Hansen ($5000) Grant ($2000). I've read the coments of both riders and I have decided the in my opinion Grant is a big baby. If anyone shold have a gripe with Hansen from Dallas it's Millsaps. Hansen just flat put him in the blocks in the heat race.

My .02 worth

Posted by: Ryone---------------------

Agreed. Grant is a baby, and it's showing. Millsaps is a bigger man by not crying about being taken out. Hansen shouldn't have taken Davi out... Davi can now return the favor and end Hansen's championship hopes for good.

Ryan

Posted by: Chili---------------------

The fines have nothing to do with the on track action nor an altercation that took place after the race in the tunnel between the two riders. The fines were levied after Hansen followed Grant to his hotel and started another incident where the police were called to investigate an assault. As far as I'm concerned it's borderline stalking and Hansen should be suspended. Hansen's public statements on RacerX truly reveal him as a punk. As for Grant taking out Hansen, he was running it in on him a little but his front washed and took them both down. I'm all for the "rubbin is racin" philosophy but this one extended way beyond the boundaries of acceptable behaviour.

Posted by: Ryone---------------------

They were not fined (nor could they be) for the altercation outside of the arena. That is outside of AMA jurisdiction.

Posted by: Chili---------------------

So the fact that they were both given a warning and put on probation after the incident at the race and then after the post incident was made public they were fined was just a coincidence? I think not. The original penalty was a warning and probabtion, this was followed by the fines based on the rest of the altercation after they left the stadium. I think it's naive to believe they could not be fined for something that took place outside the stadium, do you honestly think that if Hansen had inflicted a serious assault to Grant that the AMA would have taken no action?

Posted by: Ryone---------------------

It's not naive, and I'm not trying to pick a fight. It's just that, when they leave the stadium, they're no longer under the AMA's jurisdiction... that's why law inforcement was involved. I'm not sure when the fines were put into place, but Whitelock can't fine them for what they did outside his supervision.
Or... maybe he can. I don't see how, but I guess it's possible that riders can be fined for what they do outside of the stadium.

Posted by: funktree---------------------

of course he can fine them for it, he just can't state that the reason is something that happened outside the stadium.

Posted by: holyroller1---------------------

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Originally Posted by Ryone

It's not naive, and I'm not trying to pick a fight. It's just that, when they leave the stadium, they're no longer under the AMA's jurisdiction... that's why law inforcement was involved. I'm not sure when the fines were put into place, but Whitelock can't fine them for what they did outside his supervision.
Or... maybe he can. I don't see how, but I guess it's possible that riders can be fined for what they do outside of the stadium.

That is like saying the NFL can't fine players and suspend them for "outside" activities. They do it all of the time, as do many other sporting leagues. You are wrong.

There are rules in place that assure that the riders uphold the good image of the AMA, I assure you.

Posted by: CRSpeedy---------------------

I'm from Colorado and so is hansen, I should be a fan, After seeing his dirty riding habits (if you can't go faster than your opponent, just block him and slow you both down), along with his "king tut attitude, he has a earned and deserves a lot of enemies.What goes around , comes around, I'm looking forward to it. He's desperate IMO
Grant was just happy to get 2nd at Daytona considering Hansen did'nt give a crap and was willing to do any thing to keep Grant from winning. Hansen had Zero chance at winning except maybe if he crashed thm both , maybe he could get up and going faster. I personally don't think it takes much skill to just crash into someone else. It's hard to feel sorry for those guys when they get hurt.
Grant should just kick his arse, Millsapps should too.

Posted by: nephron---------------------

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Millsaps is a bigger man by not crying about being taken out

It's awesome, and I'd bet a large part of that gentlemanly restraint is due to no other than DeCoster. I can see him with his arm around Millsaps calming him down.....hell, can anyone remember a time when DeCoster ever blew up over anything, let alone getting run into by freakin' Hannah over and over again!

Posted by: Vic---------------------

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Originally Posted by nephron

can anyone remember a time when DeCoster ever blew up over anything

He seemed a little bit annoyed at the (I believe it was) 1974 USGP.

Posted by: dante---------------------

I doubt you'll see Millsaps retaliate, cause the guy is above that, I believe... Millsaps is a winner...

Posted by: JMD---------------------

Roger has been known to do a little full-contact racing himself. He was a fierce competitor, absolutely driven, and if you were in his way he would knock you down if he had to. Ask Hannah. But off the track he was always a gentleman.

Posted by: brit yz125---------------------

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Originally Posted by nephron

can anyone remember a time when DeCoster ever blew up over anything

Yeah, whenever Pastrana entered a freestyle comp!

Posted by: john3_16---------------------

Hansen needs to go back to the drawing board and work on his speed...He's racing guys that are faster than he is right now...He's riding like Mike Brown did a few years ago.

Posted by: tony91---------------------

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I understand Hansen got the best of him at Daytona and he tried to pay Hansen back.

That's a huge understatement...."Got the best of him". Hansen took him out on the last lap of the Daytona main while he was leading. IMO, it doesn't get much worse than that.

Posted by: Midhigh---------------------

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Originally Posted by tony91

That's a huge understatement...."Got the best of him". Hansen took him out on the last lap of the Daytona main while he was leading. IMO, it doesn't get much worse than that.

I have gone back to look at the tape I recorded of the Daytona SX and the tape of the dallas SX. And I must say IMO the move on Grant at Daytona was aggressive and both were trying to win the race. two bikes, one line someone is going to lose. Both did, Hansen just got up faster. Dallas, again an aggressive move, by Grant this time. Front washed into Hansen both went down, and again Hansen gets up faster. It's called racing, you knock people down, they knock you down. I'm not saying what happened off the track was cool, it wasn't. Both guys are jerks for it. But as I look back at the tapes of both events, I see Hansen being an aggressive rider in Daytona and doing what any rider would on the last lap, go for the line and try to win. Grant pulled his move in the heat race and for the most part looked like a good aggressive cut off /block pass. What stinks for Grant was that he couldn't keep the front from washing out and went down into Hansen taking them both down.

Back to my orginal post. I still think Grant is a big Cry baby.
But will add both are jerks for their off track crap.

Posted by: tony91---------------------

My point was this: Hansen plated the dude at Daytona and that's why Grant was/is pissed. And I don't blame him... even if it was delayed. As for the off track stuff, they're both knuckleheads.

Posted by: pace---------------------

I don't care much for either of them.

It goes back to what Ricky said; these kids land these big contracts and sponsorship deals without really having to work for it, in the way that the racers in the older generation had to. And we wonder why they act like spoilt little brats half the time.

I say we let LaRocco take them both out to the woodshed..

Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

My take is Hansen's move at Daytona was a blatant takeout. Grant did not seem to realize it at the time, and was pumped to finish 2nd after a great battle. So he was all hugs and kisses with Hansen right after the race.

By Dallas, Grant had probably seen the tapes and got riled up. His move on Hansen in the heat race seemed like a high risk/poor judgement pass attempt, which he probably would not have tried on any other rider. IMO Grant was actually trying to pass Hansen and not take him out. Sounds like Hansen saw it differently and took the confrontation off the track.

IMO, Hansen was wrong to takeout Grant and Daytona and wrong to take it off the track when Grant attempted to give him some of his own medicine. The AMA will probably be watching him like a hawk, so I doubt anymore will come of it.

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