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The Bubba / RC incident
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Posted by: holeshot---------------------

No wonder RC had Bridgestone tire marks on his jersey..

Posted by: jfisher304---------------------

WOW! That could have ended up much, much worse.

Posted by: truespode---------------------

I have been landed on like that and seen a lot of people landed on.

I have found out that it is much better to be landed on than it is to be the one doing the landing.

I'm sure Bubba got the worst of it.

Ivan

Posted by: tyesai---------------------

Ya know this is going to spark a huge s!@# storm!

Posted by: APBT---------------------

I was at Unadilla and saw the whole thing. This incident occurred shortly after RC passed Bubs for the lead after coming from an 18 second deficit from falling early in the first moto. Bubs changed the line that he had been using for the entire moto thru that section after being passed, and collided with the back of RC. It almost looked like a deliberate takeout manuever. It's almost like Bub's attitude was that "if I can't win this moto- then you don't either, RC". What a poor loser. The AMA should discipline him, but I'll bet they won't.
Needless to say- from the amount of booing that Bubs recieved from the Unadilla crowd, I doubt that he made any new fans today.

Posted by: weimedog---------------------

Well..spill the beans. How much did it effect their moto's? Did everyone walk away OK? (The most important issue!)

Posted by: APBT---------------------

Bubba was a no show for the second moto. The track announcement was that it was for his "safety" that he didn't ride moto two.

RC rode a clean and professional moto two, and won. The incident did not appear to affect RC's riding, although he expressed surprise at the maneuver by Bubba during intermission interviews.

Posted by: weimedog---------------------

Safety from what? Retaliation from RC? Not his style. Retaliation from other riders?? Not likely..wasn't their deal. Crowd control issues?? Unadilla is unique....but I don't think that has ever been an issue..so that leaves the possibility he was hurt.

I have to wonder how this will filter its way into the press and how it will be reported. I have never heard a track anouncement of that nature. This is new and disturbing ground.

Posted by: kelsorat---------------------

I'll listen to the archived webcast later, but someone clear this question up. After the collision, did Bubba and RC both end up on the ground, or did one of the two crash?

Posted by: mafols---------------------

Both ended up on the ground...K-Dub went by to take 1st...RC got up to finish 2nd. Bubba was attended to and carried off by the mule.

The safety thing was because Bubba hit his head hard...ended up with a knot on his head and a black eye(I think).

Posted by: 2-Strokes 4-ever---------------------

I would recomend that Bubba take an early retirement, go into politics, and run for President with the other sore loserman.....Stewart/Gore for President!!! Two fine representatives!!?

Posted by: SpectraSVT---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by truespode

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I have found out that it is much better to be landed on than it is to be the one doing the landing.

I'd prefer to be doing the landing. I've been landed on before and the race was red flagged while I lay on the ground for 20mins. Took 2 months to recover. The guy who landed on me kept going.

I'll reserve judgement for Bubba til I see the OLN footage next year.

Posted by: pace---------------------

I landed on a guy once. I went down hard when my front tire made contact with his rear. He stayed upright..

I think it's luck of the draw who comes off worse, but clearly nobody intentionally lands on another competitor..

Posted by: Glitch---------------------

By no means was it a deliberate attempt to take out RC, why would bubba want them both to crash and end up injured. It was the same line he was taking the whole day, and a unique one in that, he would go from the left of the track, cross to the right and jump off, then go back to the left. RC would stay to the right, but for some reason he would slow down for the drop off. If bubba hadnt hit him, he would have passed him and probably taken a 1/2 second lead, he was taken an amazing rythm through the 'whoop' section. Basically, I dont think bubba really knew how much RC would slow down for the drop off. I wouldnt fully blame it on him, kinda one of them freak accidents. Anyway, it sucks major time because he was looking pretty freaking fast and the only one giving RC a run for his money.

Posted by: Shermanator---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glitch

By no means was it a deliberate attempt to take out RC, why would bubba want them both to crash and end up injured. It was the same line he was taking the whole day, and a unique one in that, he would go from the left of the track, cross to the right and jump off, then go back to the left. RC would stay to the right, but for some reason he would slow down for the drop off. If bubba hadnt hit him, he would have passed him and probably taken a 1/2 second lead, he was taken an amazing rythm through the 'whoop' section. Basically, I dont think bubba really knew how much RC would slow down for the drop off. I wouldnt fully blame it on him, kinda one of them freak accidents. Anyway, it sucks major time because he was looking pretty freaking fast and the only one giving RC a run for his money.

Well when you look at the picture and see how high Bubba's front wheel is in the air it makes me wonder what happened to that world famous Bubba Scrub. So what I see here is the new RC scrub he is inventing. Now if he in fact accidently got that vertical then he was surely riding out of control. If he had of made it by RC how long would that 1/2 second lead have lasted? Well the clock says it would have lasted about 1/4 of a lap or less. He needs to get himself under control and get some 2nds instead of riding that mule into the pits and calling it a day. Bubba was pretty freaking fast as you say because RC only out rode him by 18 seconds and counting when it happened.

Posted by: holyroller1---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shermanator

Wow!! Think about it man! If your front tire was on top of someone else's back/bike your front would be high in the air also.

It's simpie physics man, something called GRAVITY!! The front of his bike has something holding it up, the back does not!

Posted by: john3_16---------------------

Glitch has a point....It seems like Bubba just tries too hard and kinda goes out of control when he gets passed.

Like the shermanator said, bubba needs to learn to chill out because if a guy comes from
an 18 second deficit and makes a clean pass, you're not going to all of the sudden come up with the speed you were lacking that allowed someone catch you from that far back...

Chill Bubba chill, your time will come if you don't injur yourself first.

Posted by: A-RustyDemon---------------------

Generally I don't say much around here. But JS's BS shows his true colors he's a P.A.B. I can see weaving and darting across the track between slower traffic to but a road block in front of RC (that's racing). But after RC cleanly gets around the traffic and then cleanly passes JS after charging from 18 seconds back. Instead of settling in and looking for a safe pass JS pulls some chickin sh!t desperation panic move. I think the AMA should fine him heavily for this it's a seems abit beyond "racing" Got to give it up to RC he's built of sterner stuff then most.

Posted by: Sayntmatt---------------------

He's built of steel mate!!

BTW what does P.A.B. stand for?

Posted by: weimedog---------------------

Even if it wasnt' a take out move, it was careless and you don't go to the Nationals to see that type of riding. I'm a JBS fan and want to see him win clean. Chill out Bubba and grow up. Your in the big leagues now, bush league tactics don't work well here. I think his support mechanism needs to intervene.

Posted by: APBT---------------------

Glitch,
Nobody is disputing the fact that Bubs has great speed. What is of question is his maturity level and judgement. Even if he wasn't deliberately trying to take RC out, his move was of poor judgement, careless, and could have ended the careers of both of them.
And he got plenty of booooos from the crowd during the mule ride back to the pits- which he deserved.

Posted by: Philip---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by weimedog

I think his support mechanism needs to intervene.

I think this mechanism is the problem. They have pumped up to be the greatest instead of keeping his head straight. On ESPN2 the other night he was riding around in his Lamborgini (sp?) style Hummer with Funkmaster Flex who was pumping him up to break records and move to Nascar because he would be a natural. J-Bone seems to have the same effect on priming his ego for him instead of keeping him level headed.
Remember Bubba is still just a kid and that kind of influence can ruin him. I hope for his sake as a person he gets a hold of it. In my Great outdoors bubba mentions that in is amature days he only had 4 laps to win a race so if he would fall or get passed he would panic and pin it. He said his personality is to win the race or crash, knock people over, kick them or whatever it takes to get the lead back. This mind set will put him in the same spot as the first guy who wore 259 being pushed around by someone else. I really hope that does not happen. I think the grow up comments have a lot of merit, and I hope big James steps in for the sake of his son.

Posted by: RM_guy---------------------

Bubba needs an attitude adjustment. I saw the crash and while it may no have been intentional, it was a bone head move by Stewart. RC took his time to make a clean safe pass and Stewart didn't. As a result he's the one that took a beating. RC was a class act during the press conference at the end of the day. He's not one to lay blame but that's as close as I've seen him do so.

There were other instances during the race where Bubba took some risky chances and RC pointed them out during the conference. He came on pretty strong. I noticed that Steve Whitelock was listening intently so I hope he'll do something about it.

BTW, I've heard that Bubba is only riding until his contract is over in 2 years and then jumping to NASCAR. Unless his attitude changes I say good ridance.

Posted by: Tiger---------------------

RacerX Illustrated has 4 pics up of the tangle. IMHO it looks like one of those things. We'll see. I do think you all are being harsh on the new kid. RC was hardly in total control his first 250 year on the circuit! It's usually a harsh 1st year in 250's...that's why no one moves up from the 125's right away.

PS Long live the king RC! :D

Posted by: YZ165---------------------

He dosen't look to banged up here.....

http://www.racerxill.com/RXimages/wakeup/06rxo05.jpg

But I may not be able to see the stars he can!

Posted by: D Lafleur---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by RM_guy

BTW, I've heard that Bubba is only riding until his contract is over in 2 years and then jumping to NASCAR. Unless his attitude changes I say good ridance.

If/when Bubba gets to NASCAR I hope he is passed all this. It seems the boys in the cagers dont have a problem checking anyone into a wall. I would see a cocky Bubba making 1/2 lap before someone parks him into a grandstand. NASCAR racing is about tactics and teamwork, that is why I quit being a fan. The current races are about who helped who and who got left out. I actually do like watching the road courses, its too bad Junior cant turn right.

Posted by: RM_guy---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by YZ165

He dosen't look to banged up here...

He was shaking his head back and forth like it had cobwebs in it. He also looks a bit dazed.

Posted by: john3_16---------------------

Whether or not it was intentional, Bubba is becoming more of a danger to the other riders than the dangers of riding itself.

What good is it for the fans that come excited to see rider X race and some bonehead takes him out ? If Bubba wants to ride like that I'd rather see him quit...Who wants to go to an SX next year only to find out their favorite racer will be a no show because Bubba took em out.

Knocking people down to get a win is stupid...period. It's bad for the sport for the top guys to get injured...We can all verify this with the last few years where we had several factory riders missing because of injury and we had the same podium every week and the gap between them so huge it was hard to tell who is in what place.

Posted by: Ryone---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by john3_16

What good is it for the fans that come excited to see rider X race and some bonehead takes him out ? If Bubba wants to ride like that I'd rather see him quit...Who wants to go to an SX next year only to find out their favorite racer will be a no show because Bubba took em out.

Whoa... you're getting too carried away. I'd bet that Bubba didn't want to land on RC.
I'd also bet that Bubba didn't intentionally collide with Windham two weekends ago either. Bubba has not been a dirty racer... he's never had to park someone to pass them. He's been cocky, but not dirty. To say that Bubba is just going to go out and punt anyone in his way is ignorant. You can't base your comments off of a single occurance.

It sounds like it was a bonehead move either way, but I haven't seen it yet... have you?

Ryan

Posted by: Chili---------------------

Bubba has been known in the past for running over people instead of getting around them when he crashed and was in a hurry to get back to the front. I can't recall which rider but someone on a Kawi last season complained about it, saying he thought they were on the same team. Yes he's never had to park someone to pass them but he did it routinely. Based on the pictures I've seen on the net it was a mistake and miscalculation, basically a rookie mistake. I think that it would be over and done with had Kawi and James not tried to spin it and instead had looked at Ricky, shrugged and said "oops, my bad."

Posted by: Shermanator---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiger

RacerX Illustrated has 4 pics up of the tangle. IMHO it looks like one of those things. We'll see. I do think you all are being harsh on the new kid. RC was hardly in total control his first 250 year on the circuit! It's usually a harsh 1st year in 250's...that's why no one moves up from the 125's right away.

PS Long live the king RC! :D

You might want to check your motocross history as RC won the outdoor championship his first year in the 250 class and every year there after.

Posted by: MXTex---------------------

I wonder if RC's next pass on Bubba will be as clean.

Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shermanator

You might want to check your motocross history as RC won the outdoor championship his first year in the 250 class and every year there after.

Not only did RC win the title his rookie year, he dominated. In 2000, RC won 9 out of 12 overalls, including the last 6 nationals in a row. Just imagine how many he would have won if he was as talented as Bubba!

Posted by: boogbeater---------------------

maybe bubbles corn rows got in his way thats why he ran over RC !!!!!!!

Posted by: CRF250X89---------------------

I think this wreck was totally deliderate on Bubba's part. My dad showed me three pictures taken looking straight down the track behind them. The first two pictures were the most interresting. The first one showed Bubba half way on the face of the jump with his handlebars straight, and RC to the right completely out of Bubba's path. The second picture was taken just a second later right before Bubba front wheel left the jump. Everything is the same in this picture as the first except that bubba's handlebars are POINTING DIRECTLY TOWARDS RC. If Bubba would have kept his handlebars straight he could have avoided the collision completely. I believe after seeing those pics that Bubba jumped on RC purposely. I will try to find and post those pics later today and you can voice your ownopinions.

Here are those pics I was talking about
http://www.racerxill.com/pages/news/news_071805.cfm

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by boogbeater

maybe bubbles corn rows got in his way thats why he ran over RC !!!!!!!

uhhhhh ..............i dont get it????

ps. what is the most intelligent thing ever said while sporting a modified mullet?

Posted by: Scolson---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRF250X89

I think this wreck was totally deliderate on Bubba's part. My dad showed me three pictures taken looking straight down the track behind them. The first two pictures were the most interresting. The first one showed Bubba half way on the face of the jump with his handlebars straight, and RC to the right completely out of Bubba's path. The second picture was taken just a second later right before Bubba front wheel left the jump. Everything is the same in this picture as the first except that bubba's handlebars are POINTING DIRECTLY TOWARDS RC. If Bubba would have kept his handlebars straight he could have avoided the collision completely. I believe after seeing those pics that Bubba jumped on RC purposely. I will try to find and post those pics later today and you can voice your ownopinions.

Here are those pics I was talking about
http://www.racerxill.com/pages/news/news_071805.cfm

There's a turn there, he had to get started turning. My idea is he was taking his normal line, took a chance and didn't realize RC's line was so slow. It may have been a brainfart, but there's no way it was deliberate. I'm not a racer though. Bubba is still my fav 250 guy too.

Posted by: JPIVEY---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRF250X89

My dad showed me three pictures taken looking straight down the track behind them.

I saw those, JBS saw RC and the line RC took, it looked like it could've been avoided to me, but what do I know

Posted by: Glitch---------------------

Both of them took the line they always did. I was watching bubba take that line the entire time, he would cut like that so he could keep it pinned, and was most definitely the fastest through it, RC was also cutting the track after the dropoff. If you look at those photos crf250x89 linked, you can see bubba following RCs line, and he probably didnt think he was gonna jam on the brakes over the dropoff. They actually took similiar lines after the dropoff, its just bubba had a faster one leading up to it. You can also see that he is trying to push the bike to the left after he takes off, seeing as how he's gonna hit RC. I dont know about you, but if I were bubba, I would not be expecting the faster motocrosser to jamming on the brakes in the middle of a sweeper, I actually dont think any other racer was. I think it was an unfortunate event more than anything. You just got passed for the lead, your adrenaline is on turbo, you keep it pinned to keep up and pass him, then BAM, the guy jams on his brakes on a fast sweeper.

Posted by: flyinzuki---------------------

Bubba had jumped to a line on the right side of the track a lap earlier to get around some lappers, while being run down by RC.

He also needs to keep it pinned through that section to have enough speed for the next section, which was awesome to watch him do it.

I beleive he was just trying to get through there and pass RC, it was the only area on the track that he looked faster. I dont think Bubba knew how much faster he would go through that spot than RC, or did Ricky hesitate for a split second?
Could it have been a brake check by Ricky, I doubt it.

Just think if he did pull it off, it would have been very exciting for the fans...but as stated earlier it would have been just a few more turns before RC would have put a clean pass on him and continued to put him down two seconds a lap.

The collective "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH" from the crowd was so loud, it was probably heard miles away.

Posted by: Shermanator---------------------

Maybe they will make a commerical next week about RC getting the monkey off his back and he is going to Disney World.

Posted by: MrMXer327---------------------

This brings back memories of me and a few other's booing RC as he raced around the track after parking Dowdy in the 125 class a few years back. It was an epic battle for laps and then with I belive 1 or 2 to go... Dowdy gets parked... gently, I might add... but to the disappointment of the fans who were on their feet the entire moto hoping to witness one of the most intense races ever. I believe RC grew up a bit that day... Lets hope Bubba just did a little growing as well.

Posted by: zcookie49---------------------

yeah, I guess the fastest motocrosser made up 18 seconds by slowing down in the fastest corners???.
Point of the matter is that JBS should not have been as careless as that. RC said in his interview that he waited 3 laps before patiently passing JBS.
....Could you really imagine what everyone one would say or act if he would have ended RC's career on that bonehead move? I just dont think that JBS can handle being second fiddle to RC. Maybe that is why people think he sandbagged last year? Maybe that is why he wants to go to NASCAR in 2 years (rumor) (maybe he knows he wont shatter all of RC's records and will move on to Nascar, at least for the money)
.
I don't think he would have intentionally jumped on him though, I would hope to think that he wouldn't stoop that low.
I hope he can get his act together because it really looks like he is self-imploding (I hope that is right).

Posted by: rpmRMiam---------------------

There is no way bubba will survive in nascar. Those rednecks will smash him and crash him till he burns.

Posted by: OldTimer---------------------

[QUOTE=zcookie49]yeah, I guess the fastest motocrosser made up 18 seconds by slowing down in the fastest corners???...
QUOTE]
If RC's ahead and going faster, how could Bubba possibly land on his back?
From the stills, it looks like Bubba's making a desperate bid to regain the lead by trying to go inside on RC, only RC's back got in the way as Bubba crossed over.
Anyhow, I'll bet RC made some "bonehead rookie" moves his first year too and he's always the first person to say "Hey, it's just part of the sport. Things like that happen."
That's coming from a WAY big RC fan!

Posted by: john3_16---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryone

I didn't say it was intentional....I said that people are being taken out, by Stewart....If the same guy is knocking people down on a regular basis he's becoming dangerous to the other riders, intentional or not.

Basing it on a single occurance ? Hardly, I'm basing it on 3 others and this 4th one has me a bit disturbed.

Posted by: john3_16---------------------

Zookie has a point....RC doesn't need or want to brake check someone after making up 18 seconds on them and making the pass.

Maybe Bubba pushed it extra hard in that spot to try and make a comeback, or had been pushing it there the whole time...Either way, you can't blame RC for that one.

Posted by: tony91---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shermanator

Maybe they will make a commerical next week about RC getting the monkey off his back and he is going to Disney World.

Dude....care to explain this gem?

Posted by: Micahdawg---------------------

I'd like to cash in my two cents. I think it's a bit much to say that JBS wanted to take out RC by landing on him. You can't really calculate a landing on someone where they go down and you ride off to victory. I'm certain that JBS wouldn't have lost any sleep over RC eating it hard...but I don't think that was his mission.

Instead, JBS paniced. Plain and simple. If you remove RC from the picture you see a WAY out of shape JBS who way overlaunched a jump. JBS was going to get hurt even if RC wasn't there which just shows how he lost control, paniced and hung it out way too far.

It just so happens that his bone-head move involved RC too.

That is a lack of maturity and a lack of respect for your fellow rider...but not a deliberate "take out" move. At least in that case.

Micah

Posted by: holeshot---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldTimer

[If RC's ahead and going faster, how could Bubba possibly land on his back?

Bubba made a hairball move that would have made him run off the track or at least slow way down to make the right turn (if he hadn't landed on RC). Bubba wasn't riding the track, he had RC in his crosshairs and that's all he was looking at. RC was was taking a normal line to smoothly and quickly make the right turn.

Posted by: holyroller1---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Micahdawg

Instead, JBS paniced. Plain and simple. If you remove RC from the picture you see a WAY out of shape JBS who way overlaunched a jump. JBS was going to get hurt even if RC wasn't there which just shows how he lost control, paniced and hung it out way too far.

Micah

How do you know he wasn't jumping that far the entire race? Your statement is nothing more than speculation, just like many of the other posts in this thread.

Posted by: Tiger---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shermanator

You might want to check your motocross history as RC won the outdoor championship his first year in the 250 class and every year there after.

Uh, Sherm...I have EVERY round on tape. Wanna watch them?

Yes, RC won the 2000 250 title. No, he wasn't in control the entire time.

Remember Sebastian Tortelli (then current World MX Champion) wanted to kill RC!

Hell at Daytona that year (his 1st win) he looked outta control from the skybox!

Now, back to the young kid Hannah (Stewart) landing on Howerton (RC) from behind!

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by holyroller1

How do you know he wasn't jumping that far the entire race? Your statement is nothing more than speculation, just like many of the other posts in this thread.

he was not far from landing on the tuff blocks............if he was always jumping that far every lap it was a matter of time before he ...........well you know.

Posted by: Glitch---------------------

I think you all will be amazed how bubba took that section, it was crazy fast, the crowd was STUNNED when he would triple the last part of the section. I can remember many laps when he just kept it pinned over the dropoff, and mere inches from the hailbail. I cant wait till august for it to air on OLN.

Posted by: holyroller1---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by ellandoh

he was not far from landing on the tuff blocks............if he was always jumping that far every lap it was a matter of time before he ...........well you know.

True, but having seen Bubba race 4 125 nationals, including unidalla, nothing would suprise me.

Posted by: JMD---------------------

I can't wait for Thanksgiving, or Christmas (or is it Easter?) when the Unadilla race finally airs. By then it will be sort of like an archaeological dig, turning up ancient history.

Posted by: Micahdawg---------------------

What do I know...I just watch him on TV.

Micah

Posted by: tony91---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shermanator

Maybe they will make a commerical next week about RC getting the monkey off his back and he is going to Disney World.

Still waiting Sherm...

Posted by: flyinzuki---------------------

“I want to thank all the fans who have supported me this year as I transition to the 250 class. As you have seen from the press release Kawasaki sent out, my doctor recommends that I sit out this weekend. I was looking forward to racing on the new track in Colorado, we tested there a few weeks ago and the track was fun. I felt great last weekend at Unadilla until Ricky and I tangled together.” Stewart added, “I personally called Ricky today, and explained that I did not mean to land on him while we were racing for the win at Unadilla. I would never land on anyone on purpose, especially a Champion like Ricky who I have always respected, and I am glad that Ricky was not hurt. The reason it happened is that I needed a strong drive from the turn before the jump to carry momentum up the next hill, so I was sweeping the outside. That's what I was doing every lap, and I didn't realize that I was going so much faster and that we would come together. I hope the fans get to see some great racing this weekend, I will be back soon and riding my heart out.”

James Stewart, #259

http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=7941

Posted by: flyinzuki---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bubba

The reason it happened is that I needed a strong drive from the turn before the jump to carry momentum up the next hill, so I was sweeping the outside. That's what I was doing every lap, and I didn't realize that I was going so much faster and that we would come together.

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyinzuki

Bubba had jumped to a line on the right side of the track a lap earlier to get around some lappers, while being run down by RC.

He also needs to keep it pinned through that section to have enough speed for the next section, which was awesome to watch him do it.

Told ya so

Posted by: JPIVEY---------------------

Quote:

I didn't realize that I was going so much faster and that we would come together.

I need clarification on this one; so much faster at that moment ??, so much faster on that lap ???, so much faster than he thought ??, it sounds like he's trying to say "so much faster than RC", But I know that ain't right

Posted by: Anssi---------------------

So much faster on that section of the track, I would think. I do think that he made a bad decision because he realized that he will never pass RC if he let Ricky settle in the lead.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPIVEY

Pretty sure he meant when he it him... seems to me he would have in fact have to have been going faster

Posted by: holeshot---------------------

This is gettin' kinda old, but the link below is a detailed video of the crash.....

http://www.zippyvideos.com/192363812706995.html

To me, it looks like Bubba had no intention of making the corner....(IMHO, of course)

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

bubs bell got RUNG

theres no excuse for that imo........unless this is the 50 thousandth time bub rang his bell

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

You forgot the "h" in "imo"

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

You forgot the "h" in "imo"

Posted by: pace---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by holeshot

To me, it looks like Bubba had no intention of making the corner....(IMHO, of course)

Not sure how you arrived at such a conclusion simply from watching that video clip, but sure.. everyone is entitled to a humble opinion.

I landed on a guy once in practice, and came within a few inches of doing so one time in another race. I don't believe it's something that anyone does intentionally (especially a professional) - it's just a complete miscalculation of where the other rider is going to be. Easy to do in the heat of battle. IMHO, of course.

Posted by: JPIVEY---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

Pretty sure he meant when he it him... seems to me he would have in fact have to have been going faster

I don't know Okie "I didn't realize that I was going so much faster and that we would come together." I respectfully submit that that's a dig

Looking at the video Ron posted, this is my " H " observation; That JBS is on the gas long before the video started and the speed at which JBS was closing at that time and the distance they covered before the drop, it's hard to believe he didn't realize how fast he was going; I think he knew exactly how fast he was going, saw a opportunity to make a spectacular flying pass on RC, His ego ( that and the media carrot ) took over his common sense and it bit him in the a$$

You can all say "that's racing", " it happens all the time ", but you can also say you never seen so much BS involving the same rider in the same season ( that would be both in & outdoors )

Posted by: Ryone---------------------

Did anyone else notice how unbelievably hard Bubba hit his head? He was unconscious after the wreck... and after seeing it for the first time, I can't blame him or Kawi for sitting out a round. That was pretty violent. I would've given anything to hear what RC said as he was picking up his bike.

Ryan

Posted by: JPIVEY---------------------

Yes, That was a brutal hit, any more of those and he'll be wearing that big a$$ grin 24/7

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

So Mr. Ivey, you got something against his smile too? LOL. What about his selection of underwear.... I have no idea what it is, but you can bet, when someone finds out, they'll be baggin on it. HA!! I said baggin and underwear in the same paragraph!

Posted by: Tiger---------------------

Would you do that intentionally if you weren't wearing a chest protector?

No!

(But don't get me started on why the heck those guys don't wear one!)

Posted by: JPIVEY---------------------

Quote:

So Mr. Ivey, you got something against his smile too? LOL.

LMAO....Absolutely not Sir, he should be proud of that big a$$ grin, all I'm saying is, even though he is not my most favorite rider in the world, I would hate to see him or any other racer have to or be force to give up the sport due to repeated head trauma.

That was a nasty hit, he hit so hard, his Barney underroos were showing

I really don't hate Bubba, just some of the crap he does and says

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

You PEEKER!

Look at it this way... he says and does some stooooopid stuff, he's a kid.
Bob Hannah says a LOT of stooooopid stuff and he's an old man. We (well, not me) cut him slack, no? Hannah is the guy that WOULD have landed on RC on purpose without doubt, lol.

Posted by: Sunny State KDX---------------------

Holy Smokes thats the first time I watched that Clip. Bubba took a hell of shot to da Head. Bell Rung is an understatement.

I still can't believe even for a second he did it on purpose. Nobody would do that at thier level. Well maybe Damon Bradshaw would have done it in his time LOL

Posted by: Vic---------------------

I just watched it , too.

That may be the worst thing I've seen since Evel Kneivel at Ceasers Palace.

YIKES!!!

Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

No way he did it on purpose.

The contact was completely accidental, IMO. Sucks for them both, but that's racing.

Posted by: Shermanator---------------------

Hannah stopped ramming after Roger DeCoster finished with him, Roger and RC are just alike in toughness. I think racing like that is CS, if you can't race clean and be successful then get into another sport.

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Originally Posted by Okiewan

You PEEKER!

Look at it this way... he says and does some stooooopid stuff, he's a kid.
Bob Hannah says a LOT of stooooopid stuff and he's an old man. We (well, not me) cut him slack, no? Hannah is the guy that WOULD have landed on RC on purpose without doubt, lol.

Posted by: CJG---------------------

I never would have thought anyone would be stupid enough to do something like that on purpose either. But not only is JBS apparently stupid enough to try it, he's also stupid enough to admit trying it. Here's what James Stewart himself had to say in his interview for "The Great Outdoors- Another Perfect Season Special Edition".

James Stewart"I just don't like getting dirty dude. For real dude. Just don't roost me because I don't like it. I remember at Budd's Creek dude. The first practice, Sunday practice, I was riding behind, and couldn't get around Buckelew dude. So I'm getting pissed dude. I was like getting roosted and I couldn't get around him. Dude this[pause] I'm the only three digit number that's supposed to be up here. Like just having fun. And so I'm like 'Dude he's roosting me, roosting me' and there's like this one single dude. I hit that thing wide open and he was still in front of me. And I'm like in the air going[makes sound of revving motorcycle]. And like my target was to land on him. For real, I was so pissed that I kept getting dirty and I could not pass him. So I hit it wide open, and he looked up and went like this[acts like he's turning], and I landed right next to him. I for real was going to land on him dude. I didn't care. I was going to end the whole race season, the whole year. I was that pissed. I was just wide open landing[makes sound of revving motorcycle]. It was awesome!"

Yes it's a real quote. I have the DVD and he really said it. By the way, the "dude" count for this particular segment of the interview is nine. Total "dude" count for all JBS interview segments is nearly incalculable.

Posted by: tony91---------------------

I always get the impression that the kid is trying to convince us of how tough he is. I think he questions his own toughness. I think quotes like the one above are his juvenile attempts portray himself as a tough guy. In the TGO videos, he always seems to bring up how he was thinking of knocking down this guy...or how he won't be intimidated. I think he's a guy who doesn't need to be "tough" in the RC sort of way. I think he should find his confidence in his ability to do things on a motorcycle that no one else can. He and McGrath, IMHO, are the most innovative and technical riders ever. But instead of focusing his strengths, I think he's out there trying to prove how tough he is. Does that make any sense?

By the way Shermanator..... still waiting for a breakdown on this one....

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Originally Posted by Shermanator

Maybe they will make a commerical next week about RC getting the monkey off his back and he is going to Disney World.

Posted by: JMD---------------------

Yeah, I get a kick out of everyone who "knows for sure" Bubba didn't do it on purpose. The kid said he's tried to do it before; now he does it. Is there a connection there? Of course not. He's just a kid. Kids never get "pissed off" and do stupid things, do they? Personally, I don't know whether he did it on purpose. But considering his prior statement, and knowing he's been angry all season about getting spanked by RC, I'm suspicious.

Posted by: Ryone---------------------

Look at the video again. Bubba didn't jump ON him as much as they crossed paths while Bubba was in the air and RC was on the ground.

Posted by: JMD---------------------

I hear Bubba wasn't too happy with his tires at Unadilla, and wants a new compound that hooks up better on Ricky's back.

Posted by: monsterkx---------------------

bubba could win with slicks on his bike!!!

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by monsterkx

bubba could win with slicks on his bike!!!

he must have been holding back all season so far

Posted by: MrMXer327---------------------

Spoke to some folks about Bubba - His head is still giving him problems. Looking more and more like a pretty serious injury. Hopefully Bubba will just hang up the boots and let things heal before comming back.
"To be old and wise - You must first be young and stupid" I see that all the time. Hopefully Bubby just became a little wiser.
I have to cut Bubba some slack... I've landed on someone before and KO'ed myself back in my younger days. Total mis-judgement on my part as to where the other guys was going to be.

Posted by: JPIVEY---------------------

Quote:

His head is still giving him problems. Looking more and more like a pretty serious injury

Damn, that ain't good

Posted by: nephron---------------------

Geez....and all this time, like the detestation mob, I thought he was faking it, lol

Who's 'folks', MrMXer327?

Posted by: MrMXer327---------------------

I can't reveal a source like that... heck I'd be in the same boat as Bush'es Buddy.

Posted by: Kirklandrock---------------------

Here's what James Stewart himself had to say in his interview for "The Great Outdoors- Another Perfect Season Special Edition".
James Stewart"I just don't like getting dirty dude. For real dude. Just don't roost me because I don't like it. I remember at Budd's Creek dude. The first practice, Sunday practice, I was riding behind, and couldn't get around Buckelew dude. So I'm getting pissed dude. I was like getting roosted and I couldn't get around him. Dude this[pause] I'm the only three digit number that's supposed to be up here. Like just having fun. And so I'm like 'Dude he's roosting me, roosting me' and there's like this one single dude. I hit that thing wide open and he was still in front of me. And I'm like in the air going[makes sound of revving motorcycle]. And like my target was to land on him. For real, I was so pissed that I kept getting dirty and I could not pass him. So I hit it wide open, and he looked up and went like this[acts like he's turning], and I landed right next to him. I for real was going to land on him dude. I didn't care. I was going to end the whole race season, the whole year. I was that pissed. I was just wide open landing[makes sound of revving motorcycle]. It was awesome!"

"It was Awesome", Unreal,
if Bubba HATES getting roosted and moreover HATES getting dirty take up a new freakin sport... theres always ballet, needle point and many other "sports" that would alow him to stay clean.... although he may still get "pissed/angry" at the little old lady who throws a nac-nac in his faces as she blazes thru the yarn, closing in on the Ameican Quilting Associations series championship.. Watch out granny......
And as far as his press release, could he talk out of both sides of his mouth just a little more.... the round before Unadilla where he and K-Dub got together he said that he let K-Dub past after he knocked him down, cause he didnt want to win like that..... So its o.k. to park someones ass when you feel like it, but you can also let them back by you cause you are feeling like maybe thats not the way to win races..... C'mon (DUDE) make up your mind.... are ya gonna be a bad guy, or are ya gonna be a stand up PRO MX'er/GOOD Sportsman...... Wonder if Mitch Payton can make a 2-seater wheel chair haul ass.....
Please understand, I see the speed that Bubba posseses, too bad he doesnt seem to be as quick THINKING.... He needs to be a more responsible rider... Its not only his health that is at large here.... he could end many other riders career with moves like he pulled at Unadilla....
just my .02
Ciao
P.S. cant win any races when you're lying on the ground..

Posted by: SpectraSVT---------------------

You did watch the Unadilla race on TV didn't you? Whatever Bubba said previously that was not the case this time. It was 2 completely different lines coming together. The amount of speed they were both going at didn't allow for errors. THe TV coverage was very good. It was an unfortunate incident but not a cold calculated one. No one has any right to judge anyone escpecially when your intentions are to hurt. No matter how vocal you are about Bubba, none of us are in any position to change Bubba or help those who have had incidents with him. We can do nothing about it. Let him live his life. He's not some evil dirtbiker going around purposely hurting people. There are already people in place around Bubba, the AMA, riders and teams. If they think Bubba is careless then they are in a position to do something. We are not. The only thing the internet has managed to do is turn our races into weekly soap operas.

Posted by: john3_16---------------------

Watched the race...the incident didn't "look" intentional...Watching it on TV doesn't always give the viewer the ability to grasp the totality of the situation... It was definitely a bad decision for that situation.

Posted by: MAECHO---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by APBT

Glitch,
Nobody is disputing the fact that Bubs has great speed. What is of question is his maturity level and judgement. Even if he wasn't deliberately trying to take RC out, his move was of poor judgement, careless, and could have ended the careers of both of them.
And he got plenty of booooos from the crowd during the mule ride back to the pits- which he deserved.

Any competive motocrosser at this level including RC,CR,KDUB,TP has either made some careless move/non intentional contact in their racing carear.Bubba has already apologized and had the worst of it and lets remember this is a highly competetive sport with no speed limit/clear straight freeway,anything non intentional can/could happen.Give Bubba a little brake.

Posted by: holeshot---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAECHO

Give Bubba a little brake.

He should have used a little brake.

Posted by: +30---------------------

I didnt see it on tv yet, but I bet if there was a camera pointed at the rest of us everytime we raced there would be alot of "drifting into "or "landing on" other riders type of footage.Sounds like he just was letting it hang out and didnt know it was gonna be so close. You cant be conservative if you want to pass RC! On the flip side, it seemed a little close to me when viewing high points footage of RC passing bubba on the long single jump. Those previous comments bubba made do not help though....Still you couldnt ask for a better battle.

Posted by: JPIVEY---------------------

Quote:

Any competive motocrosser at this level including RC,CR,KDUB,TP has either made some careless move/non intentional contact in their racing carear

Yeah, maybe sometime in their career , but they have moved beyond the Loretta days and I don't like JBS has

Posted by: lilythepink---------------------

"On the flip side, it seemed a little close to me when viewing high points footage of RC passing bubba on the long single jump"

Too true - RC did almost land on JBS after that jump - just a little closer and RC would have been the "bonehead". With two real hard chargers hanging it out - racing incidents are going to happen folks, I don't believe it was done on purpose. More like their racing lines crossing and some bad speed judgment on JBS's part.
Looking at the video again it seems crazy how slow RC appears to be going, though he picks it up pretty quick when he gets that extra 'boost'. Thankfuly they are both ok as far as I know - IMHO JBS learned something from this nasty little incident and could be a bit of a turning point.

Posted by: CJG---------------------

I have no idea whether Bubba landed on RC on purpose or not. I've seen the video and it's inconclusive. At best it shows some very questionable decision making on JBS's part. But, going back to High Point, RC didn't even come remotely close to landing on Bubba. If you go back and look at it again you'll see that RC is well past, and to the left of, Bubba while they're both still in the air. As soon as JBS hits the ground he makes a hard left turn, pulling in right behind RC presumably to try to get beside him and get inside position for the upcoming corner.

Posted by: lilythepink---------------------

CJG - your right, I stand corrected - had another look at it and RC was beside JBS as they jumped - nothing dangerous done on RC's part.

Posted by: lilythepink---------------------

CJG - check the next meeting - Bailey broadcasting - " Woooh - Ricky Carmichal jumpin clear into the front of Chad read - that's gotta be be a bit risky - the lines could have come together "

Racing is racing - you know the feeling no doubt.

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