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Bubs out for Lakewood.

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Posted by: pace---------------------

From racerxill.com

Quote:
July 21, 2005

JAMES STEWART OUT FOR THUNDER VALLEY
- press release -

Irvine, Calif. (July 21, 2005) – After careful consideration, it has been decided that Team Kawasaki rider James Stewart will not be competing in the AMA Motocross event in Lakewood, Colo., this weekend. Stewart, who struck his head on the ground during a crash in the first 250 moto at Unadilla last weekend, immediately began to feel the effects of a possible head injury. After evaluation from on-site physicians, it was determined that Stewart should not race until he had an opportunity to further consult with his personal physician.

Following an additional evaluation today, Stewart’s physician would not release him to race this weekend as additional tests are needed to determine the extent of his injury.






Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

bubbas having his head examined................what a surprise



Posted by: weimedog---------------------

Unfortunately shades of Travis. I don't wish that type of thing on anyone. Head injury can ruin a career. Hope he's just has a minor concussion type of thing...Even you James Stewart "anti's" would rather see him racing than on the side lines. Gives us all a reason to watch.



Posted by: bedell99---------------------

Right now I really don'tlike him..

Erik



Posted by: jboomer---------------------

I would rather see RC healthy for the rest of the season.



Posted by: Sayntmatt---------------------

Yeah so would I!



Posted by: YZ165---------------------



No pun intended....



Posted by: Shermanator---------------------

He seems to be setting a precedent that no other rookie 250 rider has matched for dizzy spells, head trauma and missed motos. It is apparent he is riding out of control and over his head so now he pays the penalty. I hope this time out settles him down and gives him a professional approach to future racing.

Bubba who Ma Ma



Posted by: xsnrg---------------------

No one truly learns anything without pain involved. Hopefully this is a long remembered painful lesson. Personally, I don't believe it was an intentional takeout, but it was careless none the less.



Posted by: MXTex---------------------

Head injuries are the most serious ones we MX'rs encounter; IMO. I rung my bell hard in 2004. It was 5 months before I felt completely normal again. So for Bowfinger to take a week off after his head slapper last weekend sounds reasonable to me. But he is riding over his head; no arguing that. I just hope he returns for Washougal. Because I'm going to be there!!!

I kind of feel sorry for James. Firstly, he's clearly surrounded by 'yes' people that are telling him what he wants to hear and further enhancing his 'rock star' image. And second, he's being compared to the greatest MX rider of all times. Maybe he needs to take a few lessons from KW. I think Kevin has accepted the fact the RC is faster and he's fine with it. He rides his own race and doesn't crash his brains out. Bowfinger on the other hand hasn't come to that reality yet.



Posted by: funktree---------------------

so if Bubba doesn't turn out to be the one to take RC's throne, who do you think is the 2nd best choice? Who is moving up to 250's next year?



Posted by: MXTex---------------------

I think it's going to be Reeds party next. But RC is only 25? Physically, he still has several more years in peak form for sure. It's the mental aspect that may get him first. I mean, how long can the guy maintain the eye of the tiger?



Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

It's all good for the spectators, whether RC and Bubba are out there or not.

My GUESS is RC will retire after next year. If he wins the SX and MX titles in '06, he will have nothing left to prove. He will stop while he still has his health.

If Bubba fails to live up to his 250 class potential or pursues other interests, we are likely to see a situation where there is no single dominant rider. Besides the current top of the 250 class (Reed & Windham) you've got Alessi, Milsaps,Hepler, Langston and Tedesco with the ability to get a 250 SX or MX championship. IMO, Josh Grant and Andrew Short also have the potential to get a 250 win someday.



Posted by: Ryone---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by dirt bike dave
Besides the current top of the 250 class (Reed & Windham) you've got Alessi, Milsaps,Hepler, Langston and Tedesco with the ability to get a 250 SX or MX championship. IMO, Josh Grant and Andrew Short also have the potential to get a 250 win someday.


What really sucks though, is none of the 125 riders stand out like RC did, or Bubba did. I think Alessi stands out the most, and he's doing a great job in his 125 rookie year. All the rest of them don't seem to have that unearthly speed and ability that RC and Bubba have.

I'm going to my first MX national ever this weekend in Lakewood, and I really wish Bubba was going to be there.

Ryan



Posted by: cr250can---------------------

I've rung my bell several times, and had two minor concussions and I feel no ill effects...............



I've rung my bell several times, and had two minor concussions and I feel no ill


I've rung my bell several times, and had two minor concussions and I feel

I've rung my bell several times, and had two minor concussions

I've rung my bell


What was I talking about again????



Posted by: JMD---------------------

The kind of domination that we've seen by RC is not the norm. In most years there are several riders capable of winning on any given day, and the champion is just the most consistent among them. RC is a freak.



Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

A lot of people feel that the racing is more exciting when you have parity (no RC or KX125 Bubba standouts).

Ryan - Too bad JBS won't be there, but you will have fun at Lakewood! Don't be surprised if you find yourself cheering the hardest for a guy you've barely heard of, just because you like how he rides. Juss Laansoo really impressed me at Glen Helen last year.



Posted by: pace---------------------

Maybe I'm just disappointed I won't see Bubba race my local track, but the cynical side of me says that he realized after his practice on Wednesday that he can't run anywhere close to RC's pace at this elevation. More so than usual, I mean.

Regardless, endurance of one form or another is clearly an issue the Stewart camp need to address if they wish for the 2006 outdoor season to go better than this one.

I'm finding it increasingly difficult to view James in a positive light and not jump on the 'write-off' bandwagon, at this point. Of course, if he's not fit to race then I wouldn't want for him to. But ultimately you make your own luck.

Hopefully a strong SX series will give him some momentum for next outdoors.



Posted by: Ryone---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by dirt bike dave
A lot of people feel that the racing is more exciting when you have parity (no RC or KX125 Bubba standouts).

Ryan - Too bad JBS won't be there, but you will have fun at Lakewood! Don't be surprised if you find yourself cheering the hardest for a guy you've barely heard of, just because you like how he rides. Juss Laansoo really impressed me at Glen Helen last year.


You're right. It's great when there is a lot of parity in the class. It always makes for an exciting season. I just like watching RC and Bubba do things that make everyone stand back in awe.

I wish we could clone RC 40 times and put them all on the starting gate. Maybe OLN would show THAT race

I've been planning this weekend since I heard we got the race. I'm going to watch practice tomorrow. I'll have some pictures for you guys too.

Ryan



Posted by: nephron---------------------

lol, everyone's writing Bubba off.. OMG, talk about funny. Unreal.

I personally believe there's been something wrong with him all season. Dizziness, lightheadedness to the point of having to stop x 2, poor performance (People beating him now that he used to lap and should NOT be beating him now), etc. Now that he's hit his head again, and he requires further neurologic evaluation---just further confirmation. No one would sit out for a simple head smack. There's something wrong with the kid, and everyone here's making fun of him. Typical internet BS.

I had 3 concussions in 3 months 9-11/03 (KX500 induced), each leading to increasing symptoms. By the 3rd one, I couldn't even ride. I'd highside everything and drop my bike over to the right when sitting on it standing still. Couldn't judge distance worth a crap. And was usually 'whoozy' when I got off the bike (symptoms increase with trauma/exercise), and all I could do is rest. Fatigue was the biggest surprise to me. Chronic headaches. Emotional changes. Took me probably 6 months to get better, and I still have occasional symptoms.



Posted by: pace---------------------

You could be right, Neph! And if that's the case, I'd rather see him sit out the rest of the season and get healthy in preparation for the stadiums. It's just such a shame to see such an amazing natural talent struggle with his endurance and the increasingly frequent brain farts the way he has this outdoors.

We've just come to expect such great things from him in the past so he tends to get cut much less slack than the majority of the other riders. But it is his rookie season, after all.



Posted by: Vic---------------------

Neph- If it's as bad as you suggest it may be, then he's got no business being on a motocross track.



Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

IMO, Bubba gets 'cut less slack' because he has run his mouth and he 's quit mid moto more than once.

If he knew before the season that he had a serious medical condition that prevented him from keeping up with John Dowd at Southwick, he really should not have been running his mouth. I know, I know - He's only 19, so its to be expected blah blah blah.

So one theory is that Bubba had a medical condition from hitting his head too many times prior to the season opener at Hangtown (the first time he faded in the heat and pulled off). My question then is why have he and Kawasaki been so secretive about it for the last four months? Why have they risked Bubba's future every race? It needlessly makes Bubba and Kawasaki look bad, when all they have to do is say "Bubba's been sick since before the season started."

FWIW, Bubba's riding has generally been better at the cooler, less humid rounds. He struggles in the heat and humidity (Unadilla was cool and he lead for 11 laps, so that was one of his 'good' races). Those of us who are not doctors are going to speculate that he lacks RC's conditioning. That's what our eyes and common sense tell us.



Posted by: Philip---------------------

I think it is only fair to write him off. Putting him above RC before the two even raced was writting off RC. I think RC has proved that there is more to him as a champion than just being lucky. He, just like bubba, has never been pushed to see how fast or smart he could really ride. Now that they are pushing each other I think RC has proved who the real man is.
You know potential is nothing until materialized and thats all Bubba is right now......potential.(ie Travis)



Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

A comparison to Travis isn't vailid, IMHO ... JBS has won more than Travis even entered races.

DBD: I don't think Neph was saying his issues are related to banging his head, rather something else physically... Seems obvious to me there is something wrong with the kid, hopefully they'll get it sorted out.

Why is it on the 125's he could run the pace of the top 250 guys, last the whole moto and suddenly this year he can't? It's not hotter or more humid this year than any other.



Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

Okie - I was at Glen Helen last year and brought a stop watch. I timed 5 laps at random for each for Bubba and RC.

Every lap I timed RC was 2:43 to 2:44. Very Consistant. Bubba's best lap I timed was early in the moto and approximately the same as the slowest lap I timed RC, 2:44. That's a huge accomplishment on a track that favors power. However, every other lap I timed Bubba he was 2:49 - 2:50, or 5+ seconds slower than RC. Both RC and Bubba had huge leads each moto. Both were freakishly fast in some sections - way better than anyone else.

BTW, Bubba was on the mighty 250F that race. He lapped up to about 20th, as did RC.

My take is Bubba's overall moto times on the 125 were substantially slower than RC on the 450, even though Bubba's best laps were comparable to RC's. IMO, now that Bubba does not have the luxury of slowing down at the 15 minute mark, he is hitting a wall he never reached before. Next year he will be prepared.



Posted by: Philip---------------------

I agree Okie, I guess my meaning did not come through. I think Bubba has done more than Travis, but unless he figures out his problem, thats all anyone will say. I also agree this is physical, coupled with an unfamilier place for him mentally. I like Bubba and hope he succeeds are at least gives it his all. But when someone has so much potential and fails then everyone will always say what shoulda been(ie Travis). I think if it is OK to dog RC then it has to be the same for Bubba. It would not be fair to just all bow down to the great bubba for any reason other than his racing accomplishments. Everyone seems to fall over bubba b/c he is more flashy than RC, but this is not a debate over who drives the best hummer. It is however a debate about who can run consistantly and win a #1 plate. Bubba has yet to prove either......in the 250/450 class. I do respect the ones he has won in the jr. class. The talk was all about "wait till bubba moves up especially outdoor where he is really fast."



Posted by: Micahdawg---------------------

Did anyone catch the McGrath interview in Cycle World where MC said, "I hope bubba doesn't turn out to be another Damon bradshaw....some dynamite wins, but never a championship."

Micah



Posted by: zcookie49---------------------

I'm going to my first MX national ever this weekend in Lakewood, and I really wish Bubba was going to be there.

Ryan[/QUOTE]

...
Not to be rude, but that sucks... I have been fortunate to see him race every year at Budds Creek and he definately puts on an awesome display.
.
Just remember though, you'll get to see RC probably 30 seconds before the pack



Posted by: kelseybrent---------------------

From www.cyclenews.com:
Love the "I didn't realize that I was going so much faster" crap.

MOTOCROSS - James Stewart's Statement
Posted by Brendan Lutes
What Happened 7/22/2005

The following is a brief statement from James Stewart.

“I want to thank all the fans who have supported me this year as I transition to the 250 class. As you have seen from the press release Kawasaki sent out, my doctor recommends that I sit out this weekend. I was looking forward to racing on the new track in Colorado, we tested there a few weeks ago and the track was fun. I felt great last weekend at Unadilla until Ricky and I tangled together.” Stewart added, “I personally called Ricky today, and explained that I did not mean to land on him while we were racing for the win at Unadilla. I would never land on anyone on purpose, especially a Champion like Ricky who I have always respected, and I am glad that Ricky was not hurt. The reason it happened is that I needed a strong drive from the turn before the jump to carry momentum up the next hill, so I was sweeping the outside. That's what I was doing every lap, and I didn't realize that I was going so much faster and that we would come together. I hope the fans get to see some great racing this weekend, I will be back soon and riding my heart out.”

James Stewart, #259



Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

bubba has nothing wrong with him except a deflated ego, period! he has to come to terms with playing second fiddle until the unnatural beast retires and that is a fact he cant face or accept right now .

the lack of conditioning is not only physical but mental, it is easy to give 110% concentration for acouple of freakishly fast laps, 40 minutes is impossible to give 110% concentration and when someone is still in front of you whom is not yet being pushed over or even to their limit yet , it gets real frustrating when youve been hyped up by so many people.

bubba may not have purposely crashed on rc but his subconcious allowed him to do it , period , IMO he is a very smart and experienced rider and i have no doubt he saw it coming. for a split second his rage allowed him to slip and by the time he reacted it was too late



Posted by: Ryone---------------------

Hey, if he really called RC to clear things up, his stock just went up in my book. I said from the get-go that I didn't think he meant it (conscious or sub-conscious)

Thumbs up Bubba



Posted by: JMD---------------------

Bubba made a pretty gracious statement, and it's good that he called RC. But he shouldn't have waited a week to do it. That makes it look like he was pushed into it by bad press and fan pressure. Still, it was a pretty good statement. I hope he means it.



Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by kelseybrent
From www.cyclenews.com:

"The reason it happened is that I needed a strong drive from the turn before the jump to carry momentum up the next hill... "

James Stewart, #259


Is that a subtle dig at the KX250? To me, it reads a little like he's partly blaming the collision on the bike. Like maybe the collision would not have happened if he had a 450, and did not need so much more corner speed than RC, just to carry hills.



Posted by: pace---------------------

I think it's a pretty gracious statement, and wouldn't dissect every sentence looking for hidden implications. Bubba may not read this forum, but he and the team have a pretty good handle on what's being said out in the motocross fan base. He was probably advised to issue this in response to the negative press he's been getting on his 'tangle' with RC.

It reads a great deal more respectful than most of what comes out of his mouth.



Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

It's amazing the insight some people have!

It's also no wonder the kid and Kawasaki aren't saying much, no matter what he does or says, the haters will find something to bag on. It's a lose - lose deal for him.



Posted by: john3_16---------------------

Quote:
No one would sit out for a simple head smack.


Bubba has a history of doing this so it's not neccessarily something else...He elected not to race a 125 SX because of a head smack before...I don't know how many of you have noticed but when you bang your head pretty hard one time if you're not allowed to completely heal then even small blows to the head like those in a small tipovers can lead to concussions...What usually would take a hard hit can be accomplished with just a jolt of hitting the ground without the head making contact.

Travis went through this in his 125 title defense because he didn't allow his head enough time to heal..No I'm not comparing Bubba to Travis but I am comparing what can happen with a head injury so it's probably a good idea for Bubba to sit out because of hitting his head.



Posted by: jboomer---------------------

Like a bunch of women, swooning over him....

He makes an apology almost a week after the incident, probably after all his friends were ragging him about the uproar on the internet. Sure, better late than never, but saying it doesn't necessarily make it sincere.



Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

if i did what he did and my legs still worked properly i wouldve had to make amends ASADP , but that is me

they say better late than never, in this case, i have to say, he did what he had to do, by someone elses suggestion



Posted by: xsnrg---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by kelseybrent
From www.cyclenews.com:
Love the "I didn't realize that I was going so much faster" crap.


He obviously was going much faster or he wouldn't have landed on top of him. I don't think he meant faster as in he was doing better, I think he meant their relative velocity at that moment. Don't see anything wrong with that statement in that context...I doubt if Ricky would either.



Posted by: CJG---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by kelseybrent
From www.cyclenews.com:
MOTOCROSS - James Stewart's Statement
Posted by Brendan Lutes
What Happened 7/22/2005

The following is a brief statement from James Stewart.

“I would never land on anyone on purpose,”

James Stewart, #259

That's not what he said in his interview for "The Great Outdoors- Another Perfect Season Special Edition". Here is that segment of the interview- James Stewart"I just don't like getting dirty dude. For real dude. Just don't roost me because I don't like it. I remember at Budd's Creek dude. The first practice, Sunday practice, I was riding behind, and couldn't get around Buckelew dude. So I'm getting pissed dude. I was like getting roosted and I couldn't get around him. Dude this[pause] I'm the only three digit number that's supposed to be up here. Like just having fun. And so I'm like 'Dude he's roosting me, roosting me' and there's like this one single dude. I hit that thing wide open and he was still in front of me. And I'm like in the air going[makes sound of revving motorcycle]. And like my target was to land on him. For real, I was so pissed that I kept getting dirty and I could not pass him. So I hit it wide open, and he looked up and went like this[acts like he's turning], and I landed right next to him. I for real was going to land on him dude. I didn't care. I was going to end the whole race season, the whole year. I was that pissed. I was just wide open landing[makes sound of revving motorcycle]. It was awesome!"



Posted by: weimedog---------------------

If thats for real, and not just a kids bragging and telling stories; an attitude adjustment is required. For his career as well as others on the track. The AMA might need a push from their insurance companies..I'd hate to be on the wrong side of a liability suite where Bubba lands AND seriously injures another rider. There is enough history in his pro racing to make the case people drop around him more than most. This year its happened twice. That statement is a damning thing when its all piled together as it is insight to intent. Maybe riders dropping is not as random and accidental as it needs to be. Enough stuff here for some to take it and run should the opportunity arise. Bubba and his people along with the AMA might want to research and re-assess a bit before coming back.

AMA wins because of the liability issue...
Bubba wins because his true ability can be shown without the pressure of trying to be the spoiled brat bad ass always expecting to get his own way, or else(What? dropping a competitor??). (Just ride and learn this year Bubba and things will work out..time is on your side!)
We all win because we see intense racing as Bubba grows that will rival the great duals of the past.



Posted by: brit yz125---------------------

Got a 'dude' count for that quote?

Give Bubba a break. None of us here need to bow down to him, just respect what a talent he is. When he puts those goggles on, he is a racer, simple as. You've got to have that sort of determination to win at such a high calibre of racing, that's why we all resort to forums like this, because it's easy to slag someone off when you're not in their position. Racing incidents happen, and we see a lot of 'close ones', so occasionally they will collide, especially at that speed. I dont think you can read between the lines in his first quote, he's just telling it how it is. Have'nt we already discussed 2 strokes taking different lines to 4 strokes? A rider of Bubbas calibre will get it figured out, it's just a case of when.



Posted by: weimedog---------------------

I guess I'm only 1/2 taking the "lines" defence. I've been there enough in the past to know there is limit to where you take the attitude..its MY line, I'm going to force it approach. He could see what was in front and in his line.

Read that statement about the incedent...thats a typical PR deal. Written by professionals. I would much rather hear it from Bubba where I could actually see his reaction to the larger situation at hand. Like the interview..that has more insight to where he is mentally

I agree we shouldn't "bow down to him" or expect him to "bow down" to ANY one else, including RC! One of the things I really like about Bubba is he IS truely riding his heart out!

But Motocross is not about taking people out because you think, at some level; your the only one who should be up front having fun. Its dangerous enough as it is to where that mentality has NO place in this sport. A young fella has to loose that (if it's there) before Physics ruin someones career.

Understand I would think the same way if it my own kid. I would want to guide him away from those self destructive short term lapses of judgement by attacking the core reason...goal being to set him up for a LONG career. RC has done that. Bubba can as well. I hope he can take stock of this deal and move on..in a constructive way.



Posted by: justice29---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by nephron
lol, everyone's writing Bubba off.. OMG, talk about funny. Unreal.

I personally believe there's been something wrong with him all season. Dizziness, lightheadedness to the point of having to stop x 2, poor performance (People beating him now that he used to lap and should NOT be beating him now), etc.



Who is beating him now that he used to lap? That's BS.

I don't think there is anything chronically wrong with him aside from poor conditioning. He is riding above his head and making careless mistakes.

Now, if he suffered a concussion last week, then he should sit out this race and perhaps a few more.

But to attempt to attribute his "poor" performance to some mysterious medical condition is just as silly as the people that are ready to write him off.

He is an incredibly talented rider with lots of speed and innovation, but he's also very young and has a lot to learn and needs to ride within himself.

Simple as that.

Go RC......he is the G.O.A.T.

John



Posted by: Shermanator---------------------

Come on guy don't you remember last year when Bubba lapped RC, Reed, and Windham?

A lot of riders find the 250 man class impossible when they move up.







Quote:
Originally Posted by justice29
Who is beating him now that he used to lap? That's BS.

I don't think there is anything chronically wrong with him aside from poor conditioning. He is riding above his head and making careless mistakes.

Now, if he suffered a concussion last week, then he should sit out this race and perhaps a few more.

But to attempt to attribute his "poor" performance to some mysterious medical condition is just as silly as the people that are ready to write him off.

He is an incredibly talented rider with lots of speed and innovation, but he's also very young and has a lot to learn and needs to ride within himself.

Simple as that.

Go RC......he is the G.O.A.T.

John




Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:
I don't think there is anything chronically wrong with him aside from poor conditioning.
You came to that conclusion looking thru you highly trained medical eyes?

EVERYTHING in this thread and the hundreds of others just like it is pure, unadulterated speculation. There is NOT ONE opinion that can even be considered an "educated" guess. Sure makes for great internet fodder tho.

Bottom line? There are many amoung us that LOVE to see people fail. Simply really.



Posted by: pace---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Okiewan
Bottom line? There are many amoung us that LOVE to see people fail.


..which is odd, given the amount of whining about the outdoors being a one-man-show.



Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

Speculating on Bubba's problem is certainly not the same as loving or wanting to see him fail.

He's one of the biggest names in the sport. He's having a horrible year. He's not talking about it. People (not only the haters) speculate because they want answers.

BTW, as explanations go, being in inferior shape to RC is probably the best case scenario any Bubba fan could hope for. But I guess you are not supposed to mention it unless you are his personal phsician.



Posted by: Philip---------------------

I think his apology is genuine and I respect that. I for one am glad he did it. I really would hate to see bad blood between those guys.



Posted by: Shermanator---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Okiewan
You came to that conclusion looking thru you highly trained medical eyes?

EVERYTHING in this thread and the hundreds of others just like it is pure, unadulterated speculation. There is NOT ONE opinion that can even be considered an "educated" guess. Sure makes for great internet fodder tho.

Bottom line? There are many amoung us that LOVE to see people fail. Simply really.




Lets try this for speculating. A cool day with an average track and he finishes both motos and does well. The KX250 keeps reasonable lap times throughout. A hot day and rough track or both and the lap times fall apart at the end, like that one moto Reed almost run him down from way back. The evidence clearly shows a lack of conditioning or a medical condition that surfaces in hot weather or rough terrain. So my educated guess is lack of conditioning based on what he said was his training method and what the stop watch shows consistently. The only people I love to see fail is the people I race against.



Posted by: crazyYammi---------------------

There is a difference between learning the ropes and getting schooled. Bubba should try for 2nd and 3rd and actually finish some motos....



Posted by: Jasle---------------------

I guess no one remembers when RC came in the game. He was a ****e talking crashing, taking out punk. Then all of the sudden...after numerous entire audience boo outs, he is some kind of nice guy. The way I see it they were both at fault. RC should have know better than to fade left when someone is coming up on your left. If you do expect some type of contact. Bubba should have known better than to try and jump past on his left considering the track slightly bends to the right and its more natural for someone to fade left. Tough to think about that stuff at their pace though. Watch the vid and you'll see RC go from about 2 feet from the right edge to about 6 feet from the right edge. After they wrech the both go right indicating some forces at work perpendicular to bubba's flight pattern..ie RC's fade.



Posted by: Shermanator---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jasle
I guess no one remembers when RC came in the game. He was a ****e talking crashing, taking out punk. Then all of the sudden...after numerous entire audience boo outs, he is some kind of nice guy. The way I see it they were both at fault. RC should have know better than to fade left when someone is coming up on your left. If you do expect some type of contact. Bubba should have known better than to try and jump past on his left considering the track slightly bends to the right and its more natural for someone to fade left. Tough to think about that stuff at their pace though. Watch the vid and you'll see RC go from about 2 feet from the right edge to about 6 feet from the right edge. After they wrech the both go right indicating some forces at work perpendicular to bubba's flight pattern..ie RC's fade.




I remember it well when RC came into motocross in fact his first 4 years he won 2 125 titles and 2 250 titles. As for Bubba this is his 4th year and he will have only 2 125 titles to show. He was not a trash talker, nor did he take anyone out. He was boo'd because he left Kawasaki for Honda which was his decision not the fans. Did you every hear of RC crashing in the first corner??? RC has never lost any outdoor titles since he came into motocross. So if he were a crasher as you suggest then the other riders must have crashed more..



Posted by: xsnrg---------------------

RC has crashed a bunch this year and last. In fact, the whole reason that he was behind Bubba at Unadilla was because he crashed. I watched him at the ATL SX with a strong lead go around a corner and just fall over...he crashed hard at Daytona. The difference is that he's not gotten hurt, by luck or by skill when he's gone down. He always gets back up and wins the race either because he's so far in the lead, or because he's so much faster he reels them back in and passes them. Looking at that video of Bubba landing on him, I'm convinced he must have bones of steel (or hard rubber). He is the best, but he still crashes.



Posted by: pace---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shermanator
As for Bubba this is his 4th year and he will have only 2 125 titles to show.


Only two titles in four years. Yep, he sucks big time.



Posted by: Ryone---------------------

Bubba is now out for Washougal too...

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Posted by: xsnrg---------------------

Intentional or not (I don't think it was), after watching that crash, I think he should be happy to be concious at this point. Glad he's not rushing the comeback. Both bounces looked like they could have busted his melon. I wonder if he's got a double concussion since he hit both sides of his head that hard?



Posted by: justice29---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Okiewan
You came to that conclusion looking thru you highly trained medical eyes?

EVERYTHING in this thread and the hundreds of others just like it is pure, unadulterated speculation. There is NOT ONE opinion that can even be considered an "educated" guess. Sure makes for great internet fodder tho.

Bottom line? There are many amoung us that LOVE to see people fail. Simply really.


I'm not sure what you were reading, but there is nothing in my post that alludes to wanting someone to fail.

One does not have to be a physician to form a reasonable opinion based on one's observations over the past year.

Yes, I would consider my OPINION speculation just like everything else posted on this forum.

Reading the variety of opinions and rants posted on these forums is what make these boards so popular and entertaining.

Simple really.


John L. Pool
AKA Justice



Posted by: Scolson---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by jboomer
I would rather see RC healthy for the rest of the season.

Not me, I get sick of watching RC win almost every week. I'd like to see Bubba and Windham battle for first. (or any battle for that matter.)




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