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Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

How's everyone feel about a spring time DirtWeek when the kids are out of school?

Posted by: AssistSuper---------------------

I think that'd be a cool idea! I wouldn't have a problem making it then.

It's tough for any kid to miss a week of school when they are high school on up.

The weather in Oklahoma is usually prime time in May. Some years it can be a tad warm, but generally the weather is nice.

Where the troubles run into are people's kids get out at different times. When I was in high school, it was mid-late May when we got out. College, early May. But in different parts of the country some don't get out until June.

If you're having it in Stillwater, in June, it's most likely going to be HOT.

Posted by: High Lord Gomer---------------------

Schools out for us from April 1 - 9.

Posted by: Papakeith---------------------

YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES!!!!!!!!!!!!
to anytime in the spring!!!

Posted by: AssistSuper---------------------

If anything happens this spring, I've just got to keep my fingers crossed it's before mid-May.

Jaw surgery = no riding for a while afterwards.

Posted by: Green Horn---------------------

Hmmm

Posted by: DougRoost---------------------

I had thought of that before since that's a great time to ride and all. The problem is different schools have Spring Break at different times. Or did you mean as soon as school is out? That would be nice, especially for the high school kids to blow some steam off after finals.

Posted by: Tony Eeds---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Green Horn

Hmmm

says the tea kettle before it runs dry

Posted by: Tony Eeds---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

How's everyone feel about a spring time DirtWeek when the kids are out of school?

a SECOND DirtWeek !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Eeds

says the tea kettle before it runs dry

Posted by: TwinSpar---------------------

OH MY! Such short notice. You do realize that coming up with excuses takes quit a bit of effort and I'm still bone tired from the effort from this fall.

Plano gets out of school around the end of May. Something like the 23rd or there abouts.

Posted by: Patman---------------------

May 25th is the last day for LTISD. Go ahead, twist my arm.

Posted by: Tony Eeds---------------------

First week of June????

Posted by: jaction125---------------------

That would be sweet!

Posted by: Green Horn---------------------

It starts to stay warmer at night in June. Those who would be tent camping might find it a bit warm. I guess I could shack up with Okie for the week.

Posted by: CaptainObvious---------------------

I've been waiting 5 years for you to ask that question.

Yes

Posted by: YZ165---------------------

Are you saying one in the spring, one in the fall, or just one in the spring.......

Either way, the sooner the better. Matt

Posted by: shiftless---------------------

Okie, are you talking about spring break (what is it, around the end of March, early April?) or the end of the school year in late May, early June?

Posted by: nikki---------------------

Mid June would probably accomadate all? Schools around here end around the first week of June.

Spring breaks are all different, so I don't think that's a solid option.

Since it's a little warm in OK in June.... why not pull it up north a little bit?

Posted by: Papakeith---------------------

Up north, down south, west coast I don't care

Make it the springtime, and I'm there with half of RI(all 7 of us in tow)

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

I was thinking as soon as the majority of schools are out... spring break in OK would still get too cold at night me thinks.

Where "up north" Nikki? Please don't say Casey. And Michigan is too far North!

Posted by: Kav---------------------

I'm game for most any time

Posted by: D Lafleur---------------------

Late May, early June works for me. I have a real quiet genset with some spare juice, I could always a/c my neighbor's tent. Dont laugh people do it all the time down south in the summer.

Posted by: Zoomer---------------------

How about Mendota IL area. Wardys place and Sunset Ridge just 1/2 hour north of Wardys.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Wonder if Buffalo Rock is still open? It's not far from wardy's either ... 10 minutes? That would surely satify the woods riders.

Posted by: Crunch---------------------

Did somone say spring? 220 days and counting!

Posted by: Grady---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

Wonder if Buffalo Rock is still open? It's not far from wardy's either ... 10 minutes? That would surely satify the woods riders.

You're a Woods rider now, got the busted toes to prove it

And yes, Spring would work for me, not sure about the temps though. North = Good.

Posted by: nikki---------------------

Wardy's would be awesome, if we could talk him into building a bigger MX track.

I believe Wardy's has 12 miles of trails, plus a killer peewee track and a SX-style track.

Yep, Buffalo is still alive and kicking for extra woods riding. They have 3 MX tracks now from what I understand, the big one (which they actually groomed and held a few races this year), the peewee track, and a new sand MX track. Plus 400 acres of trails, creeks, hills, etc. No quads there either.

Like Zoomer said, Sunset Ridge MX is a half hour drive, but it would be nice to have it all in one place.

Casey is a one stop shop, MX track, peewee track, GP track, tons of trails.... but I guess DRN has been there, done that.

I was thinking Dutch Sports Park in south-western MI www.dutchsportparkmx.com might be a cool option. It's not that far north, about in line with Chicago, just on the other side of the lake. The facilities blow away almost any track in the US.... RV dump station, flush bathrooms, enclosed showers, outdoor showers, cement bike wash, air and water station, covered starting line with fans, volleyball and horseshoes (lighted for nighttime playing), community campfire, huge kids playground with the cartoon network on TVs, playground monitor, inhouse concession building, hayrides, etc.

And for the riding, they have an awesome MX track which is safe and fun for riders of all skill, a peewee track (Smurf City), and they hold a "National Hare Scramble" so I'm sure there are some trees for the woods folks (unless the woods are leased for the event only, not sure). Plus they hold an ATV jamboree with trail rides, poker rides, drag racing, mud pits, barrel racing, etc. Motels in nearby Paw Paw and a few other towns.

Posted by: High Lord Gomer---------------------

Michigan is NOT too far north!

Southwestern MI (St. Joe) is one of the greenest, prettiest areas I've ever seen in the spring.

Posted by: truespode---------------------

I have travelled twice to Michigan for riding trips and it is MUCH closer than OK.

Northern Florida up the East Coast is closer to Michigan than Ok. The midwest people would have to drive, some as far, some shorter.

The west coast contingent is the hardest hit with a Michigan trip.

Ivan

Posted by: CaptainObvious---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikki

I was thinking Dutch Sports Park in south-western MI www.dutchsportparkmx.com might be a cool option.

That looks sweet

Posted by: nikki---------------------

Where is the St. Joe riding area? I assume St. Joseph, MI (Benton Harbor?)

Posted by: YZ165---------------------

Damn.....that place sounds sweet Nikki.....but it'd be 1400 miles for me, and 2100 for Elk....That's one way. I don't mind though, we'll just have to leave the spaceship at home and camp in the back of the truck a la Lou. Matt

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

If there is enough interest, we could have two, one spring and one fall, one east, one west (west as in OK) BUT if having two means two with small turn-out, we're screwed!

Posted by: BUK0138---------------------

Up North sound great to Donny and I ...... we would be very happy...

Dutch sound great it sounds like it has a good mix of track and trail

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Do they have a more official bike dunk-n-wash, up than than Kris had?

Posted by: BUK0138---------------------

I really do not know

... but I bet Donny would give it a try.... given half a chance

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Has he renamed his bike "Red October"?

Posted by: jaction125---------------------

Me thinks Michigan would be cool. I bet you would see a pretty good turnout from people who couldn't swing OK. It doesn't matter to me though, I'm going to the next DW, I don't care where it is.

Posted by: oldguy---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by BUK0138

Up North sound great to Donny and I ...... we would be very happy...

Dutch sound great it sounds like it has a good mix of track and trail

But Donny wants it in mid January when the water is a bit FIRMER

Posted by: Fred T---------------------

JMHO but no matter where or when you have it will be great for some and not for others. Early summer/late spring conflicts with racing schedules, weddings, graduation parties.

Summer is busy. Falls works for some and not for others. What about March or Early April? Seems by then a person could take kids out of school being that it's almost over, but I don't know.

I doubt that you could get the attendance for 2 events given the current economy which really effected this last one I'm sure.

Tough call there Okie, whats going on in the State of MO, it's centrally located?

Good luck with your decision.

Posted by: Tom Dixon---------------------

Dutch Sport Park is amazing, beautiful MX track, technical woods and a great location. One problem with it though would be possibly snow and cold temps in the spring!

Posted by: sparkysakitas---------------------

how bout towards the middle south
could do it in spring ie march april and weather would be nice

one draw back of living in florida it is so far from everywhere

Posted by: blackhawk468---------------------

http://www.crosscreekcp.com/newsite/facilities.jsp
Click on the Supercross/Daytrack photo... and the ariel at the bottom.

This place looks pretty good... Central Texas

Dunno how the trails are.

Posted by: fatherandson---------------------

June - Yes

Michigan in June - HELL YES!!!!

Two Dirt Weeks - make it happen...PLEASE!

Posted by: motometal---------------------

count me in for Dutch Sports Park.

Would Wardy's have enough room for everyone camping? The camping area was almost full with this year's group, but then I noticed there was another area as well.

Geographically, seems like Missouri would be great, but I don't know any details on the parks there. It's going to be tough to beat Cooperland regarding the tracks and camping facilities. A larger or more hilly woods area and electrical hookups would be nice though.

Posted by: Tom Dixon---------------------

An Early June Dirtweek some where in Michigan would be awesome. And DSP in June would be even more awesome!!! I would say that you would get to meet the North East part of DRN that don't/can't drive to Oklahoma...
Just my .02 cents

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by motometal

count me in for Dutch Sports Park.

Would Wardy's have enough room for everyone camping? The camping area was almost full with this year's group, but then I noticed there was another area as well.

Geographically, seems like Missouri would be great, but I don't know any details on the parks there. It's going to be tough to beat Cooperland regarding the tracks and camping facilities. A larger or more hilly woods area and electrical hookups would be nice though.

Not to mention the 500 for woods in addition to those Cooper owns. I'm sure we can work something out with Stillwater to run the HS there.

Keep the ideas coming.

Posted by: a454elk---------------------

Desert Week, dunes, sand, cool weather, California.....

Posted by: Sawblade---------------------

Like Fred T said, no matter where or when you have it will be great for some and not for others. I would thing the first or second week of June would open up more possibilities with those who have kids since most schools are out by then. I would like to see Dirtweek in the spring as the last few years it had been the week of the Branson National. I attended Dirtweek two years ago, but was not able to go last year due to work. This year I made the decision to race the Branson National, but damn the luck I broke three ribs 7 weeks ago so I wasn't able to attend either the race or Dirtweek.

Some of the Missouri continent needs to chime in on locations that have the facilities, with a MX track(s) and woods loops.

I've never been to this track, but it has a mx and pee wee track and is located in SE MO. http://www.thayermx.com/indexflash.html .

Another location in NE Arkansas that may be an option is http://www.thackermotox.com/index2.html . Again, I've never been to this location.

As for Dirtweek in the fall, can you back it up to the last week of Sept?

Posted by: Thump---------------------

I vote Cooperland for spring, fall or when ever. It is centrally located and has everything we need (MX, woods, the 500, a pee wee track) and Kris is always willing to do whatever it takes to make us feel at home. Then throw into the mix the Kenny factor and some of the people that show up out there... no brainer.

Moving DW away from Cooperland would be like moving the Sturgis rally to Kansas IMO.

But as stated before, no matter where or when, some are gonig to love it and some will hate it.

Posted by: AssistSuper---------------------

I'm with Thump.

And I'm no way biased just because I live 15 minutes away from Cooperland.

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Jenni while it would be nice to have DW in my back yard and Cross Creek is a nice facility it is not Cooperland / the 500.

Posted by: Tony Eeds---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thump

I vote Cooperland for spring, fall or when ever. It is centrally located and has everything we need (MX, woods, the 500, a pee wee track) and Kris is always willing to do whatever it takes to make us feel at home. Then throw into the mix the Kenny factor and some of the people that show up out there... no brainer.

Moving DW away from Cooperland would be like moving the Sturgis rally to Kansas IMO.

But as stated before, no matter where or when, some are going to love it and some will hate it.

Ditto, Ditto, Ditto ...

Does anyone know of a track/trail system as nice as Cooperland that is near Lebanon Kansas? The geographical center of the lower 48 states lies outside of Lebanon, Kansas, in the middle of a hog farm. Lebanon Kansas is about 250 North by NorthNorthWest of Cooperland and is perhaps the only way we can make it more equally agrivating for everyone.

I am interested in hearing the reasoning behind why people that will drive half way across the US for Mickey or a race will not come to Cooperland for DirtWeek. How about some comments from the folks that will not come ... no how, no way. I'm not trying to throw stones, I am genuinely interested in why you do not think that you would come to or enjoy DirtWeek.

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Eeds

. . . perhaps the only way we can make it more equally agrivating for everyone.

I'm all for equal aggravation

Posted by: nikki---------------------

We've made the 1700 mile trip to CL for four years in a row. I would just like a change of scenery if anything. Plus with the low turnout at DW05 (which was mostly attended by TX/OK residents), it seems that maybe a "new" group can be pulled in by trying a different location.

Plus if DW is in June after school is out.... might be a little warm at CL?

Posted by: jaction125---------------------

I've not been to a DW, yet. But for me, a 1700 mile round tripper is just a tad too much to go ride my dirtbike for a few days. A big part of that is not being sure what to do with my gf for that time. She plainly has no interest in bikes.

But Michigan I can get away with. Of course I could get away with Casey as well, but that's been done.

As I said earlier, I don't care where it is, I'm there next time.

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

this place has everything needed for DW

michigan

http://www.ogemawtrails.com/

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaction125

. . . A big part of that is not being sure what to do with my gf for that time. She plainly has no interest in bikes.

Leave her home.

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

washing bikes is a great activity for the non rider

Posted by: Papakeith---------------------

DW is more than riding a dirtbike for a few days.
Cooperland suits me fine. Would I like it closer? Sure, who wouldn't. Is the distance something that will keep me from going? No effin way!

Posted by: D Lafleur---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papakeith

DW is more than riding a dirtbike for a few days.
Cooperland suits me fine. Would I like it closer? Sure, who wouldn't. Is the distance something that will keep me from going? No effin way!

Right on PK, I traveled 1300 for DW twice and plan on continueing. I wont travel half of that to see Mickey, I am not part of that crowd, and I have never traveled that far for a race, 1000 was that record. Cooperland Rocks!

Posted by: AssistSuper---------------------

If Dirtweek was not at Cooperland, and was at any time during the summer, there is very little chance I would be able to get away until I'm out of college, but that's fine.

If it's possible, I'll do my best to make it. The Tuesday I spent out there was the most relaxing day I've had in a very long time. Just out there at the track all day, no worries about anything except riding.

It doesn't get any better than that.

Posted by: blackhawk468---------------------

how about we invade kevin windhams house... doesn't he have pretty sweet trails and an awesome track. i know nikki's in with me on that one

Posted by: Masterphil---------------------

YES!! A spring dirtweek would be awesome! I don't care where it's at, I'll be there if I'm out of school. Why not Casey? If all else fails, just keep it in OK.

Posted by: motometal---------------------

I think eventually we should do a poll to find out the real reason why people didn't attend this year. And people will have to be honest, is an additional $100 or so for fuel really a deal breaker? Maybe for some folks it is, and I understand. At the same time, it's easier to say "fuel prices" than to say "I didn't have that much fun last year because _____, etc. For the poll to be effective, we need to get the root cause, if they don't want to travel that far or if they are bored with having it at Stillwater year after year, they need to indicate as such.

Myself, I wouldn't mind a change of scenery, but at this point i'm far from bored with Cooperland. I will say that the track conditions were not as good this year (please don't flame me for saying this, just stating an opinion).

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

It wasn't as good each day, no doubt.

We'll resolve that next year and hopefully the extra work, fuel and workers won't be $ out of Kris' or my pocket

We just didn't generate enough revenue this year to be able to afford it. We need a minimum of 200 riders to cover everything as we would normally do it.

It just takes more than one operator on more than one piece of equipment to keep the track groomed all week, without of course keeping the track closed for work half of each day.

Posted by: truespode---------------------

I have been to a lot of spodefests and 2 DW's. One of the thing I like is that each of them were in different places.

Ivan

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Yup.. different places are cool. The basic problem with that has been mentioned. There are FEW that have everything we need. There are great tracks, there are great trails... there are places that have both (what, 2?) that are on one side of the country or another. When you combine Cooperland and the 500, it's VERY hard to beat.

Infact, it's so good, there will be a ISDE qualifier there Memorial Day weekend, combining several land owners, something we may be able to pull off next year.

Posted by: motometal---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

It wasn't as good each day, no doubt.

We'll resolve that next year and hopefully the extra work, fuel and workers won't be $ out of Kris' or my pocket

sounds like a plan. I guess this was a catch 22, I can relate to the expenses, but if poor track conditions are a turn off to those who attend, it doesn't do any favors to next year's attendance. Outside of our camp, I heard several comments but it would be tough for me to say if this would actually have an impact on these folks' decision to attend future events, or other events at Cooperland for that matter, although logic says that it would.

Reminds me a bit of my work, some times we bid jobs too low or the job for some reason is way tougher than it initially appeared. To encourage future business, we have no choice but to do things right even if it's a loser in the short term. Cooperland is a business as well. Admittedly, we may have been spoiled the first year or two with great track conditions, or maybe expectations are higher than they should be. We all have local tracks, or know a guy that has a track that's rutted, dry slick, and rough most if not all of the time, don't have to look far to find a track with these conditions. For some (not all), riding on a pro-level track, prepped as such is an important part of DW.

Everything about dirtweek, including all of the post-DW threads, has been nothing but positive. I don't mean to pee in the pool here, but since we are discussing pros and cons of locations and reasons why attendance is down, I thought it appropriate to bring up track conditions, since it is about the only complaint I heard all week.

Posted by: motometal---------------------

after a bit more thought, there are different aspects of DW that take higher or lower priority, depending on the individual. These are listed in no particular order:

the track
the trails
events
giveaways
cooking and eating
meeting new folks
taking pictures
campfires/socializing/partying
meeting a single dirt-biking guy or gal
learing more about bikes and riding
watching and getting to meet famous riders
watching freestyle
camping
watching your kids or others' kids have a blast
watching your dog have a blast
the pure "vacation" aspect (getting away from work or ???)

obviously, some of this is independant of the geographical location of the event...

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:

sounds like a plan. I guess this was a catch 22, I can relate to the expenses, but if poor track conditions are a turn off to those who attend, it doesn't do any favors to next year's attendance.

Fortunatley, track grooming is something that can be addressed. A crap track, lack of trails, lack of track, ammenities, space, etc, is not.

Posted by: oldguy---------------------

Motometal for a goofy guy you made some excellent points

Circumstances just wouldn't work for us this year and then to top it off Spider wadded bad the sunday before we would have left if we could have gone and still can not ride.
I am all for a spring or very early event and hopefully the circumstances surrounding an upheaval in our household about that time will not prevent our attendance. One advantage to our new circumstances- we might be a lot closer to DW next year

It is hard to imagine a place as perfectly suited for our type gathering then Cooperland but I also think it would be so cool to gather at Wardy's place and utilize those facilities but be able to have the races actually occur at his stadium in Mendota on Sat night. Could you imagine the locals when we show up over 150 strong between racers and fans

Posted by: mx547---------------------

i was only there on saturday. other than the track being overwatered, what was the problem with track conditions? was something wrong with it during the week?

Posted by: WaltCMoto---------------------

Spring Break for school here (IL) is the last week of March.
I havent heard exact dates from anyone else.
Ive been to the last 5 Dirt Weeks, and have transformed from "I cant wait to ride all week" to " I cant wait to go camping, hang with friends, Cook for friends, eat at Camp Tejas, and ride." Ive heard some say gas prices held them back. Short of driving or pulling an RV, would a hundred more in overall cost for a VACATION change your mind? Not for me. As it was this year, dirtweek is still one of the cheapest vacations Ive taken in a long time, free camping, economical food, resonable entry fees. I guess its a matter of perspective, its a lot to go ride my bike, but its a bargain for a mini-vacation.
I would love the Dutch park idea because of distance, but will go to OK several more times, before getting bored with it. Time off work and kids out of school are the biggest obsticals for me at this point.

Posted by: David Bird---------------------

Dudes, you have an even that's even close to my house & I'm there! I don't have kids yet (still practicing) so I'm not affected by the school schedule. The sooner I know about it the sooner I can put in for vacation time.

Posted by: oldguy---------------------

Dave I wondered if you were the old YZDave (on a RM). Missed seeing you this year and Spider was looking forward to a rematch with you out on the track. Next year

Posted by: BUK0138---------------------

Cooperland was our second dirt week ... we attended Casey in 01 we had a great time at both. Our reasons for missing past dirt weeks in Cooperland:

1:no trailer (tent camping for a week and ridding bikes would suck) call me a whimp!
this year we purchased a new toy hauler that made camping for a week and riding more fun.
2:cost of fuel,travel, and dirt week (this year we teamed up with Nikki & Red to cut cost) Don't get me wrong it was well worth it ... but these are things that we had to consider.
3:travel time, time off work

When its all said and done where ever dirt week is held .. its like the credit card commercial....
200 dollars for dirt week fees
700 dollars in fuel
18,000 dollars for toy hauler
Seeing Donny go swimming with his 450 in a pond at Cooperland
PRICELESS

Posted by: motometal---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by mx547

i was only there on saturday. other than the track being overwatered, what was the problem with track conditions? was something wrong with it during the week?

It was prepped decently for Saturday's races, although many folks were all motoed out by then. Earlier in the week, it wasn't "terrible", but depending on the day and the jump you were trying to do, it got pretty grooved up and rough. The big step-up was perfect right after it was fixed, but the approach got rough quick, probably because previous ruts and holes were coming back through. Was still do-able on Saturday though.

There are some interesting differences in the dirt from one side of the track to the other. Notice how the back section of jumps is harder packed, and is very durable even though most people are using just one narrow line. Conversely, the tabletops after the start are like sandy powder, and erode into grooves quickly (potentially throwing you sideways).

Even though there are a few small rocks mixed in here and there, the Cooperland track is very friendly on tires! I put less wear in a week on my rear tire, than I would put on it with one solid day of riding at our local area! If you start with a new tire, it will be barely rounded off when you go home.

Posted by: motometal---------------------

I guess "to each their own" on the tent camping, I look forward to it although I will admit that a real bed feels good when I get home. The perfect combo of good riding and a few beers around the fire makes for a sound night of sleep, that is unless there's a V-Twin powered generator with Hooker Headers and glass packs throbbing away all night long

Posted by: YZ165---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by motometal

a V-Twin powered generator with Hooker Headers and glass packs throbbing away all night long

Posted by: ChopperDave---------------------

I found that tequila made an excellent sleep aid!!!

Posted by: fatherandson---------------------

FYI - National hare scrambles at Dutch Sports Park - July 8, 2006.

Posted by: High Lord Gomer---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by WaltCMoto

Spring Break for school here (IL) is the last week of March.
I havent heard exact dates from anyone else.

Walt, you didn't read the 3rd post in this thread!

Posted by: squeaky---------------------

I don't care what happens, I will NOT miss Dirtweek 2006. I was so sad reading everyone's posts about how much fun they had, reading abut the food, the people, the riding, the weather, blah blah blah...I had to stop reading, I couldn't take it anymore.

That being said...

Dirtweek in late May/Early June...that'd be fantastic! I know I've got a much better chance of being there, as does PK, since the farm is not running that time of year. Rooster and I even figured that if you move it further north, as I've seen some ideas thrown around, we'd probably drive. If it's still at Cooperland, we'll come bikeless...but like that matters! I just want to see/hang out/eat with everyone again!!!

Posted by: BSWIFT---------------------

Quote:

If it's still at Cooperland, we'll come bikeless...but like that matters! I just want to see/hang out/eat with everyone again!!!

Posted by: Chili---------------------

A "Spring" DW would be great, I have been looking at options to come down on Spring Break this year to get Troy back on the bike before race season up here. A Summer (Start of may and on) would not work for us for many reasons a few of which are:

Getting vacation time in the summer is much tougher.
We have a short race season as it is and this would conflict with race dates for Troy's racing and my photography business.

The dates this year were perfect for us as it was after our race season, yes I know we didn't make it but sometimes life conspires that way. The location is pretty much inconsequential to me, If we can make the trip we will be there regardless of location.

Posted by: WaltCMoto---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by High Lord Gomer

Walt, you didn't read the 3rd post in this thread!

Gimme a break (pun intended) Gomer, that was 81 posts ago. Kinda like last year. Hey, will you be healed up by then?

Posted by: Masterphil---------------------

So it's official then... Where do we sign up for the first annual Spring Dirtweek '06?

Posted by: tx246---------------------

okie,

at dirtweek i was just thinking about the FEE situation and the money required to run an event such as dirtweek. there is an 1800 acre park that is open to the public every weekend and by apointment during the week. think the 500 times 3. cost is 8bucks per day per person and you dont need insurance. granted, there are no hookups nor bike washing stations, but there is lots of room to ride and camp. the best part is that nocona mx is a measley 6 miles of dirt roads away. im sure nocona could be rented fairly cheap during the week and we could run the mx races on friday instead of saturday. in cooperlands past, the woods guys had to trailer to get to the serious trails and im sure within a lap or two the mx guys will think the drive is worth it. from stillwater, i would guess it is another 2:45 south.

pros

muenster is big enough to hold as many as we could possibly dream.
would not require facility rental. although during the week there is a possibility that others will be on the property. during the week, there is rarely anybody there.
fees would be paid directly to the property on a daily basis and drn would not have to front the money nor insure the event.

nocona has dirt that has to be ridden to believe.

cons

it is further south than cooperland for those coming from the north
we might not have "exclusive" use of the property at muenster
track is not same place as trails/camping
no night riding at muenster

Posted by: AssistSuper---------------------

If you like to fudge on the law a little, you can ride your bike from Cooperland to the 500 down dirt roads. It's not that far from it.

Posted by: Senior KX Rider---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikki

We've made the 1700 mile trip to CL for four years in a row. I would just like a change of scenery if anything. Plus with the low turnout at DW05 (which was mostly attended by TX/OK residents), it seems that maybe a "new" group can be pulled in by trying a different location.

Plus if DW is in June after school is out.... might be a little warm at CL?

I'm with Nik, some new scenery would be great and I would think would also pull in different people

Quote:

I am interested in hearing the reasoning behind why people that will drive half way across the US for Mickey or a race will not come to Cooperland for DirtWeek

I have no problem driving half way across the country to see Mickey but I don't do it every year, I go every 3 or 4 and go other places for variety. Same with riding.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by AssistSuper

If you like to fudge on the law a little, you can ride your bike from Cooperland to the 500 down dirt roads. It's not that far from it.

The ride over there was a blast! 30-40 bikes crusing down the road

I've begun contact with the owners of DSP ... will update when I have something. It's all about schedule and cost.

Posted by: Thump---------------------

Damn the DSP. Looks like a nice place but the location and my work schedule make that a trip I will have to miss if it ends up there.

Posted by: MXGirl230---------------------

I don't think Michigan is too far north!

Dutch Sport park is a sweet track!

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thump

Damn the DSP. Looks like a nice place but the location and my work schedule make that a trip I will have to miss if it ends up there.

Doesn't take any more time than going to Cooperland... we'd just have to spend more time on the road.

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

if i cant talk anyone else into going im fedexing my bike and flying solo to the next DW regardless if its in Katmandu ..............so be warned RIDE WITH ME OR DEAL WITH ME

PS someone plan on picking me up at the Muskokee intl. airport hair care and tire center

Posted by: sparkysakitas---------------------

i live 1 1/2 hours from mickey and still wouldnt drive there
but will drive to ride my bike if work and funds allow it
just needs to be someplace or time that its warm
hate the cold

Posted by: squeaky---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

I've begun contact with the owners of DSP ... will update when I have something. It's all about schedule and cost.

Only 883 miles from our front door! That's a drive I would DEFINITELY make for Dirtweek! It's equal to about 1 3/4 trips to Cooperland from our house in IA, and that was a 9 hour drive or so. We could do that in a day...well maybe two days since we'll be towing the enclosed trailer...but still, I'd definitely do it!

Dutch Sports Park looks very accommodating. A change of scenery is always good! As much as I like Cooperland, I'd love to travel to different places to go riding. Plus, as others have said before, you'll probably get a different crowd and new people that haven't made the trip to CL because of the travel distance.

Posted by: AssistSuper---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

The ride over there was a blast! 30-40 bikes crusing down the road

I've begun contact with the owners of DSP ... will update when I have something. It's all about schedule and cost.

Hey Okieman, if it's up north and you just happen to take I-35 through Oklahoma, don't be suprised to find me in the back of your truck at some point in Kansas.

Posted by: WaltCMoto---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

Doesn't take any more time than going to Cooperland... we'd just have to spend more time on the road.

Those of us in Illinois, Wisconson, Michigan, New Jersey and other states east of the Mississippi have made the trek for 4 years now, we know about road trips.

Say YES to Michigan!

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

Say YES to Michigan!

www.ogemawtrails.com

Posted by: MXGirl230---------------------

We WILL be there...we HAVE to...Dutch is like 45min away...NO EXCUSES...look out all of us "Michigan Mafia" riders will be there to invade!!

Posted by: Eddie Haskel---------------------

Where ever when ever you do it i will be there!

Posted by: gnarlykaw---------------------

Boy, this has the makings of something VERY sticky!

have another DW east, and the west can't come, have it west, and the east can't come. sounds like we need THREE more okies to make it work!

Posted by: shiftless---------------------

gnarlykaw, I'm not so sure that that is true as long as it stays in the mid section of the country. If it were held on one or the other coasts, it certainly would have an impact. But people have been coming from all over the country and Canada for the last six years. It is the dedication to drn and what it stands for that will cause a guy and his family to drive half way across the country (like PK, Elk, Chili, junkjeeps, Lori, Gomer, Old Guy, et al) to experience something really unique. Pokie and I are over 900 miles away from Cooperland, but it never has been an issue. We wouldnt miss it for anything. We have made so many new friends thru this adventure and that means so much to us. I believe it means the same to all who attend.

Posted by: Kav---------------------

While I really love riding Cooperland, I'm up to go anywhere. regardless of where it is, I'll try to go.

Posted by: motometal---------------------

mom, I know it's a long ways, but are you sure it's 900+?

Posted by: a454elk---------------------

Is Michigan part of the U.S.?

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by motometal

mom, I know it's a long ways, but are you sure it's 900+?

Hey! She can get away with a little miscalculation, if I recall it's 725 n a straight shot, but going by crispy's place first then down I55 - I44, it's nearly 900.

Posted by: oldguy---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by a454elk

Is Michigan part of the U.S.?

Well the yuppers are a bit odd but we do allow them into northern Wisconsin from time to time

Posted by: MXGirl230---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by a454elk

Is Michigan part of the U.S.?

The lower part is...dunno about the U.P. though. They talk funny eh?

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Let's face it. Those from:

The UP, Wiconsin and Minesota all talk the same.

Posted by: Kav---------------------

it's 2,200ish for me, and I'm not complaning

Posted by: oldguy---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

Let's face it. Those from:

The UP, Wiconsin and Minesota all talk the same.

hEY hOTPANTS oKIE IS DISSING YOU

Posted by: shiftless---------------------

motometal, yes I am sure. However, we do go a bit out of the way to hook up with Chris and Jim in Crystal Lake. Mapquest says this route is 900 miles. We always seem to do more than that.

Posted by: ChopperDave---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by motometal

mom, I know it's a long ways, but are you sure it's 900+?

Never question your mom!!!

Posted by: Masterphil---------------------

Man, looks like I'll have it easy, only 420ish miles

Posted by: motometal---------------------

mom is cool.

since we are throwing out ideas, there is a park near the Millville, MN national track. This is separate ownership, has a large camping area and a decent track. Also a smaller mini type track with jumps, and a couple hills to climb. Not much for trails that I know of, or maybe I just didn't see them. We might be able to hook up with the national track (Spring Creek) and trails and have that area open as well (there is a nice hilly trail area hooked into Spring Creek). My hunch is that the owner of the smaller park would be great to work with, but owner of the National track would want a big wad of cash to do anything. So, what is the name of this place I am talking about? uhhh, that I can't remember, i'll find out though. Too far North??

Posted by: Tony Eeds---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by motometal

mom is cool.

Mom is WAY cool!!! Remember, if mom ain't happy, ain't no one happy!

Quote:

Originally Posted by motometal

Too far North??

MSP is 14 hours north of DFW. Where is Millville from there? I might have to make a two week trip out of it and go to the BWCA as well.

Posted by: Tony Eeds---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldguy

hEY hOTPANTS oKIE IS DISSING YOU

gotta love cap lock

Posted by: oldguy---------------------

Millvile is about 45 minutes south of twin cities
There is also a track at Arkansaw Wis http://www.arkansawmx.com/ that has a great track and miles of trails up and down some very steep bluffs that if it wasn't to far away could be negotiated for a dirtweek. The track manager isa pretty good friend
This is fast becoming Erics favorite district 16 track due to great layout and dirt

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Bottom line; if there are not atleast 3 miles of marked/markable trail that's fairly challenging, the place won't work. We'd REALLY like 6 or more miles.

Large enough open/single space pit area to handle up to 400 with campers.. for a week. This is NOT the same as a place that can handle 400 on a single race day.

Posted by: Chili---------------------

I have no idea what Millville has for off road versus mx but obviously the pit area is plenty large enough and the track incredible. I didn't suggest either as I can't imagine geographically they would work for a majority Dave. I sure wouldn't complain about those as choices though

Posted by: truespode---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

Bottom line; if there are not atleast 3 miles of marked/markable trail that's fairly challenging, the place won't work. We'd REALLY like 6 or more miles.

Large enough open/single space pit area to handle up to 400 with campers.. for a week. This is NOT the same as a place that can handle 400 on a single race day.

I can think of 3 places on the East Coast that can do that but I do think it should stay in the middle of the nation.

Ivan

Posted by: fatherandson---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by a454elk

Is Michigan part of the U.S.?

Real funny from a guy who is a strong earthquake away from living on an island (or in the ocean).

Posted by: a454elk---------------------

Very funny short stuff.

Posted by: Masterphil---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatherandson

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elky

Is Michigan part of the U.S.?

Real funny from a guy who is a strong earthquake away from living on an island (or in the ocean).

Elk got pwnd!!

Posted by: a454elk---------------------

hehehe

Posted by: Brian---------------------

I haven't read this whole thread, so I'm not sure exactly what has been said. I know it started out about moving DirtWeek to the spring, but looks as if it has also morphed into moving DirtWeek to another location.

It will be hard to find somewhere else with amenities such as on-site trail riding, the 500 being just a few miles away, good pit area, a kiddie track, a first-rate moto track, being centrally located, and the Kenny factor, too. There are places I'm sure that shine in one or two categories, but to have such a variety, CL is hard to beat. This year, even though attendance was down, was the most enjoyable yet! Why mess with a good thing?

There will always be people who say it is too far, no matter where DW goes. There will always be people to complain about something. It just seems like CL has an awful lot going for it...

Posted by: Masterphil---------------------

Actually, It wasn't about moving dirtweek... It was about making another dirtweek in the spring, after school is out.

Posted by: Mrs.YZ165---------------------

Dirtweek anytime is a good idea, YZ165 still smiles anytime I say the word....I would like to thank all of you for taking care of the hubby for that week and his buddy (Oct 2005)....You guys are the best just like when talking to you all on the website!!!!

Whatever you guys decide please talk Matt into bringing the girls and myself!!!! We would love to meet all of you too!!!!

Posted by: Thump---------------------

Holy crap! He's married! The way that he was coming on to me I thought he was... yanno.... gay.

Just kidding, it was great to meet him, he definately made himself at home there (not a shy fella), maybe next year the whole 165 family can come. DW is hard to explain, you just have to experience it.

Matt and I are talking about trying to get together for a ride in Lubbock as it is between you guys and me. Funny thing about this damn website, you make friends from all over the the place, DW brings us all to one spot, like a family reunion.

Posted by: motometal---------------------

wow, there's a Mrs., I should have known that Matt had to get his "coolness" from someone behind the scenes...and yes, it took me about three seconds after reading Thump's post to find out how far away Lubbock TX is (I don't know where anything is, terrible at geography), too bad it's so far away from Iowa, I've still got vacation time to burn, we could have a mini dirt week during the winter.

Posted by: truespode---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian

It will be hard to find somewhere else with amenities such as on-site trail riding, the 500 being just a few miles away, good pit area, a kiddie track, a first-rate moto track, being centrally located, and the Kenny factor, too.

I can think of 4 places on the East Coast within 5 hours of me that can compete with Cooperland... with the exception of the Kenny factor and being centrally located.

Ivan

Posted by: motometal---------------------

stanbagster,

I see your point, but the "if it ain't broke don't fix it" theory doesn't totally fly. Okie has been pretty cool about it, but I would suspect that with around 100 attendees or even maybe 200, financially the ship can't float, year after year. At least not with all of the bells and whistles that we associate with DW. So, there is an attempt being made to find out, other than the obvious (gas prices and hurricanes) why such a slim turnout. I believe there are a certain number of folks that are either bored with Cooperland, or they are just too far away to make it practical.

Sure, if the official DW doesn't continue, there will still be organized meetings such as Wardy's and Renoe. Lots of fun, just not the same though. Smaller, no official events and less organized.

By the way Brian, have you torn those forks apart yet?

Posted by: mx547---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by motometal

Sure, if the official DW doesn't continue, there will still be organized meetings such as Wardy's and Renoe. Lots of fun, just not the same though. Smaller, no official events and less organized.

you guys that don't come to justql's farm ride on memorial weekend are missing out on a good one.

Posted by: YZ165---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thump

Holy crap! He's married! The way that he was coming on to me I thought he was... yanno.... gay.

That's funny right there I don't care who.........Wait a minute..........

Posted by: wardy---------------------

There is a place in Columbia MO, which has a pretty good MX track, its a riding park supported by the state, camping hook ups, etc. They host a few races a year there and may not be "exclusive" but during the week likely not many ride.
It is really hard to beat Cooperland.
Also food for thought, moving the time frame more then a month of so could make for another low turn out. Just because vaction time and "just doing one" may factor in?
Doing this event before kids are out of school wouldn't work well.
Was at Casey all weekend this weekend, it now has more parking then before, track is in the normal shape pretty good! Trails and grass track all being ripped on witht the HS races.
Not cooperland by any means, but a good place that is accessable, not sure on affordable.

wardy

The OTHER location named in here close to FVOR wouldn't work well to much tension LOL, but sad to say it would handle DW ok, just nothing like cooperland.

Posted by: Mrs.YZ165---------------------

Quote:

Holy crap! He's married! The way that he was coming on to me I thought he was...yanno....gay.

Thump all I said is that he was married......who knows about all the rest....

No really I am JUST KIDDING!!!! He got some flack for not mentioning the fact he had a lovely wife he left at home to take care of the kids (I had to take a weeks vacation too, to stay home with them!) while he went and played. I guess he can call that his birthday present! Ha Ha

Hope next time we do get to meet everyone!!!

Posted by: Crunch---------------------

Centrally located is good. But just curious: Which state or region has the highest number of active DRN members? Don’t know if that would be an easy thing to figure out, but if there is a region that clearly has a definite majority . . . Numbers would most probably go up if a suitable location could be found with in that region or at least on the edge of it.

As others have said, any move is going to make it hard for some to attend, but numbers would go up if a move is made that makes it possible for, at least the leading majority to attend. I know there are other factors but just a thought.

Posted by: ChopperDave---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrs.YZ165

Whatever you guys decide please talk Matt into bringing the girls and myself!!!! We would love to meet all of you too!!!!

My wife has a way of talking me into things! Maybe you two should get together and discuss some of the finer points of marriage!

Posted by: oldguy---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crunch

Centrally located is good. But just curious: Which state or region has the highest number of active DRN members? Don’t know if that would be an easy thing to figure out, but if there is a region that clearly has a definite majority . . . Numbers would most probably go up if a suitable location could be found with in that region or at least on the edge of it.

As others have said, any move is going to make it hard for some to attend, but numbers would go up if a move is made that makes it possible for, at least the leading majority to attend. I know there are other factors but just a thought.

My guess Texas and California probably hold the most and I would guess the Southwest harbors the most regonally

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Actually, Pokie did some numbers ... the midwest was the largest group when we were at Casey, TX & OK didn't make up for that number when we went to CL.

Posted by: Tony Eeds---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

Actually, Pokie did some numbers ... the midwest was the largest group when we were at Casey, TX & OK didn't make up for that number when we went to CL.

I think Crunch means registered members, not DW attendees.

There are lot's of places that could fill the bill for 45% of the people that come to DW. The rest are up for grabs every year. Too far east and there is a new 55% that will come, too far west and ... well you get the picture.

Reno and Paragon are two regional rides that come to mind that fill the need to gather for many folks that may (will?) never come to DirtWeek. Moab is a ride Gene and I are building up and we hope to get over the participation hump this year.

Frankly, I am frustrated because 144 responses leave the real question unanswered by way too many folks ...
Why not come to DirtWeek?

I would come to DW if it was in Maine, Florida, Washington or SoCal. Why? Because it is a family reunion and I will not miss a family reunion. Some of the places I mention might result in me having to fly. So be it. If I can bring my bikes, I will, but regardless of the location, I will be there.

If people will not drive to the a place near the geographical center of the lower 48, can we really expect to increase participation by people other that folks that already "get it".

As I said way back when, we have had great participation from both coasts in recent years. The last two years have been somewhat unique as far as outside influences go. It has taken an extraordinary commitment to come because of fuel costs and family/personal commitments. I am not trying to slam those that made choices to not come as much as I am trying to recognize that choices will always be part of the decision making process and the stars have been aligned against us.

Again, pick the location and I will attend.

Posted by: Pokie---------------------

let's say the magic mileage number is 500.... how many people live within 500 miles of Cooperland? how many live within 500 miles of Casey, Il or Buchanan, Michigan?

All of TX and OK add up to 26 million population (and Houston is more than 500 miles from Stillwater?); add LA,TN, NM,KS,MS,AR and you get approx 44
IL, MI, IN,KY,OH,WI,IA,MO add up to 45 million, + 5 million in Minnesota...totals 51 million
NewEngland Region, Maine to PA is approx 55 million

population density per square mile is of course densest in the east and midwest...

Of course it would be better if we had a "census" of the dirtbike population by these areas, but it don't exist....

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

should make it easy and just randomly pick a drn sponsor, such as EGFM and find out the state that spends the most money there, and find a suitable facility that is closest to the bulk of the spending and go for it, no more fretting. there could even be some sort of contest. sponsors would get overloaded with people trying to get DW in their back yard. put some thought into it and this could be BIG

oh yeah........and FUN

edit; im on the verge of deciding if i want to go for the mo better, this would be a deal closer for me

need a revalve on my suspension also

Posted by: YZ165---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChopperDave

My wife has a way of talking me into things! Maybe you two should get together and discuss some of the finer points of marriage!

Shut it Dave!

Posted by: Chili---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pokie

let's say the magic mileage number is 500....

Dang if 500 is the magic number then even Millville falls outside that for me, How about you folks head to Canada?

Posted by: Tony Eeds---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chili

Dang if 500 is the magic number then even Millville falls outside that for me, How about you folks head to Canada?

I'm in. I want to go do the July 4th ride that Kokanee and Pinball have one year.

Posted by: ChopperDave---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by YZ165

Shut it Dave!

The Mrs. using her powers of persuasion is not necessarily a bad thing!!!

Posted by: YZ165---------------------

I see Dave, I thought you ment I needed to use mine........Bla!

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

What say we get this back on topic ?

Posted by: Crunch---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Eeds

I think Crunch means registered members, not DW attendees.

Yup, that's what I was thinking.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Eeds

If people will not drive to the a place near the geographical center of the lower 48, can we really expect to increase participation by people other than folks that already "get it".

Good point! There are probably enough riders in any of the regions to make it fly, the problem is getting them to give Dirt Week a try. We all know what will happen if they do.

I caught the bug by reading the DW posts and my wife and I took the chance, packed up our stuff and headed of to OK to meet a bunch of guy’s we didn’t know. Kind of crazy, but we are glad we took the chance. Now we can’t wait for the next one!

Posted by: ChopperDave---------------------

Maybe a poll would shed more light on the goers/non-goers.
For me and my family, we will drive anywhere to go to DW!

Posted by: squeaky---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChopperDave

Maybe a poll would shed more light on the goers/non-goers.
For me and my family, we will drive anywhere to go to DW!

That's a good point...maybe it will. Something to the extent of "What would stop you from attending Dirtweek?"

This year for us it was financials, between moving to Rhode Island earlier in the year, then getting married, it was impossible for us to come up with the money.

But as I've said before, and others have said, I don't care where Dirtweek is, if I've got the money to pay for it, I'm there...and next year I'll be sure to have it. I'm not missing another Dirtweek, I suffered a severe week of depression by missing this year

Posted by: Chili---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Eeds

I'm in. I want to go do the July 4th ride that Kokanee and Pinball have one year.

Bah, it's closer for me to go to Cooperland

Posted by: Chili---------------------

If your looking for reasons folks didn't attend I can start off the list although Okie already knows my reasons. The downward spiral started with me having a vacation scheduling conflict with another co-worker for the dates needed to make the trip, I lost the conflict. Well we can still work with it, will just arrive Wednesday instead of Monday like I hoped. Then the kid breaks his leg again, well we can go without the clumsy doofus I tell Char. Then the cost of fuel started spiralling up combined with us getting a Canadian National AX race in our city the weekend of DW. RacerXCanada asked me to cover the race for them and it was an opportunity that I just had a hunch I didn't want to pass up. In the end my hunch paid off as I just sold a shot from that race to a clothing company for use in a RacerX ad. Was it worth missing DW for? in short no but I hope this is just the start of many opportunites in that field for me.

So to summarize I consider myself one of the core folks who would not miss DW except for undue circumstances, yet I missed this year.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:

So to summarize I consider myself one of the core folks who would not miss DW except for undue circumstances, yet I missed this year.

.. and we didn't like it.

Stuff happens... hurricanes, wars, gas prices, time off, lay off... we are talking aout a hobby here and in the big picture, it takes a back seat to what really matters in life. Very few of us afterall, make our living and support our families riding dirtbikes.

Ya know, as long as DirtWeek survives, even as a small event, it's all good... those that have been and know what it's about will always try to make it. Those that can't will be missed. The "Noobs" that can make it are just rolled into the family... maybe it's small for a couple of years, then BAM!! everyone shows-up and we have a party of Epic Proportions. Who knows? I sincerly missed so many this year, I could start naming names, but honestly want to get some sleep tonight. I also sincerly enjoy'd meeting all the new people this year... the family continues to grow.

I don't know what we are going to do at this point... where and when... rather a Spring DW will be added. I do know we will always have a DW at Cooperland in Late September/Early October, the tradition is set, who knows, maybe it's just Okie's family and the mods.. if that's the case.. so be it. We'll be there riding, camping, bench racing and having the time of our moto lives... you are all welcome to join us

Posted by: YZ165---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okie

We'll be there riding, camping, bench racing and having the time of our moto lives... you are all welcome to join us

I'll be there, broken legs, broken bike, sleeping in a burlap sack, whatever, that was the best time, with the best people, I've ever been involved with. Buster Who, Here I come!

Posted by: Papakeith---------------------

Okie, are you saying that possibility of moving DW to the springtime is squished? Or, just that no matter what, Spring DW or not, there will be a gathering in Sept/October at Cooperland?
I know it's a long trek for me and the rest of Rhode Island (Sam, Roo, Dave, Cheryl, and Paula), but I like Cooperland. I don't feel the need to change the venue. Just the date.
I am being totally selfish by posting this. I know it. But don't much care.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

A spring DW can happen... I'm saying DW/Fall/Cooperland will NOT go away.

Posted by: jaction125---------------------

Let's do a Michigan! In the spring! Pleasepleasepleaseplease!

Posted by: sparkysakitas---------------------

florida middle of december or january lol j/k

Posted by: D Lafleur---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

A spring DW can happen... I'm saying DW/Fall/Cooperland will NOT go away.

Plan on seeing some of the DW04 crew from LA in 06. I will tie them up and drag them down there if I have to. Then they can go to town and thank me by buying all the daddy pops.

Posted by: Wraith---------------------

[QUOTE=wardy]There is a place in Columbia MO, which has a pretty good MX track, its a riding park supported by the state, camping hook ups, etc. They host a few races a year there and may not be "exclusive" but during the week likely not many ride.
It is really hard to beat Cooperland.

Wardy, "Finger Lakes" is the place your talking about I believe? Your right about it being State operated, they host the Missouri State Hare Scramble and Motocross races there.

http://www.mostateparks.com/fingerlakes.htm

Posted by: Tony Eeds---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by D Lafleur

Plan on seeing some of the DW04 crew from LA in 06. I will tie them up and drag them down there if I have to. Then they can go to town and thank me by buying all the daddy pops.

Tails and Trails

Posted by: Jaybird---------------------

After reading up on the FInger Lakes place, it looks to be a winner.

MX track, with a kids track...70 miles of trails...camping area that is connected to the trails and tracks...hookups....$3 a day to ride both trails and track...

dead smack in the middle of the country....

(shrug)

oh yeah...and lots of water for the Mayor!

Posted by: Crunch---------------------

Finger Lakes in the spring and Cooperland in the fall

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

my riding partner and i go to tennessee , the last week in march or first week in april, while its still too cold to camp and the trails are still full of snow in michigan. its a real cure for the winter blues and tides us over til the season starts up here

just a thought about timing

heres the links
this is our bike area which after experiencing this i have no doubt i could ride a harley on michigan trails

http://www.coalcreekohv.com/index.htm
this is just in case you have a jeep thing also

http://www.cs.utk.edu/~dunigan/mtnbike/royal.html

Posted by: mx547---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaybird

After reading up on the FInger Lakes place, it looks to be a winner.

i've been there. kendall raced a loretta's area race there earlier this year. it's an old abandoned strip mine. the facilities are decent, including real bathrooms. the track had a pretty good layout but was very hardpack. i didn't ride it but kendall said it was fun (it looked fun). it is NOT cooperland dirt but i've always liked hardpack anyway. the trails wind up and down and through the old stockpiles of dirt, gravel, etc. leftover from mining activities. it appeared to generally be very heavily wooded. it's close enough to town and stores, etc. to make extended stays doable. overall, i think it would be a good place to have a group ride, just don't use your new tires.

Posted by: motometal---------------------

would there be enough room to hold a group our size? I guess the size of our group is undetermined, though...

Posted by: mx547---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by motometal

would there be enough room to hold a group our size?

yeah, there is more than one camping area, if we needed the extra space. i don't think the areas outside of the track have any facilities though. i don't even remember if the track pits had hookups, i don't think they did. maybe the site has that info?

Posted by: ChopperDave---------------------

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Originally Posted by ellandoh

my riding partner and i go to tennessee , doubt i could ride a harley on michigan trails

http://www.coalcreekohv.com/index.htm
this is just in case you have a jeep thing also

http://www.cs.utk.edu/~dunigan/mtnbike/royal.html

Next time you guys go to Coal Creek, let me know, I'll meet you there!

Posted by: nikki---------------------

Finger Lakes sounds cool.... we'd be there!

Posted by: AssistSuper---------------------

If it works out with my schoolio schedule, I'd take a trip up to Missouri.

Posted by: oldguy---------------------

Here is a track I'd like to see for a spring or summer gathering http://www.arkansawmx.com/
Great MX track with loamy soil and harescramble trails in the bluffs surrounding the area.

Posted by: biglou---------------------

fyi-Finget Lakes is owned by the MO dept of conservation, so I don't know that it would be available to us exclusively.

Posted by: mx547---------------------

a group called mxparents runs the races. maybe they could be contacted about an arrangement? i thing their site is mxparents.com.

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

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Originally Posted by ChopperDave

Next time you guys go to Coal Creek, let me know, I'll meet you there!

i love it there ,we always have good stories to tell these yankees when we get home. last time we were there we stopped at a used car lot(trailer home) and i believe i actually got directions from Boomhauer off king of the hill. had to stop again but it was worth it

dont get me started on Waffle house

edit; the definition of a yankee is..................................

.............................same thing as a quickie but nobody else is around!!! LOLOL

Posted by: motometal---------------------

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Originally Posted by biglou

fyi-Finget Lakes is owned by the MO dept of conservation, so I don't know that it would be available to us exclusively.

wherever we go, it would be great to have exclusive use of the park. However, I must point out that we didn't really have exclusive use of Cooperland. There were guys on the track, and in the camping area that had nothing to do with our group. It didn't bother me much, other than part of the week it put that much more wear and tear on an already grooved up track, but no biggie...i'm sure it's tough to give us exclusive use of the place with the turnout being relatively low.

Posted by: gnarlykaw---------------------

Will a state park allow a group of that size to hold an event like this, for a week???

Posted by: Wraith---------------------

I talked to one of the Mo. State Motocross Directors, and just like everyone else he was doubtfull about getting Finger Lakes exclusive for the week.
He did however mention, Midwest Extreme Park in Merwin, Missouri as being a possible alternative. He said they have a trial system plus two tracks, and it is not state operated so exclusive should be easier. The web site said 190 acres of trails, but I've never been to the track, but I'm guessing BigLou probably has. So he might know if it would be a good one to throw into the mix. That's all I'm trying to do, is just let you people know what us HillBillies have to offer as far as riding goes, not trying to influence the vote or anything like that

Posted by: cnielse5---------------------

Did the ship sail on dutch motosport in MI?

Posted by: gnarlykaw---------------------

Okie, the more I think about this, the more it makes sense. finger lakes would work. What about St. joe state park? during the week, it's a ghost town. thats like what, 2800 acres of riding, all to ourselves! we could put on our own hare scramble! Or a grand prix race. the options are endless. theres a boat load of campsites that could be reserved, and their are sites that don't need to be reserved. even a brand new shower house. With electric, and a ride permit, it's only 18 bucks a day
The downside is no motocross track. we would have to make one up ourselves. What am I missing?.

Posted by: CaptainObvious---------------------

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Originally Posted by gnarlykaw

What am I missing?.

Just an MX track

Posted by: JuliusPleaser---------------------

Casey seemd like a terrific venue for the first 2 Dirtweeks. A spring DW there would work for me. The track seemed less intimidating than the Cooperland track, too.

Posted by: truespode---------------------

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Originally Posted by JuliusPleaser

Casey seemd like a terrific venue for the first 2 Dirtweeks. A spring DW there would work for me. The track seemed less intimidating than the Cooperland track, too.

I agree with JP.

Ivan

Posted by: motometal---------------------

I agree. I'm liking the sound of this more all the time. I'd go for either Casey or the Missouri option. There will be folks that aren't going to make it to the official fall DW (maybe me this year?), that could make it to a spring shindig, and a different location will attract people that otherwise wouldn't show at CL. As far as i'm concerned, there doesn't need to be anything official about it (events or otherwise). Just a place and a date, and the spodes will come.

Our season ended early here, we went from mid 50s and super dirt conditions to frozen ground, snow, and sub-freezing temps (it's already been down in the single digits). Mother nature is, well, the mother of all mothers.

Posted by: Masterphil---------------------

I agree, although I've never been to DW, Casey sounds like an excellent location that is still fairly centrally located.

Posted by: Crunch---------------------

Casey sounds good, and I really like the idea of Finger lakes, only $3.00 a day and 70 miles of trails . . . or Dutch Sports park, Ogemaw Trails, Arkansaw WI, Muenster . . . Heck I don’t care! Getting ready to bed the bike down for the winter, so come springtime, a “Dirt Week” will be just what the doctor orders. I can think of no better way to scratch the itch that develops over a long winter.

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

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Originally Posted by Crunch

Casey sounds good, and I really like the idea of Finger lakes, only $3.00 a day and 70 miles of trails . . . or Dutch Sports park, Ogemaw Trails, Arkansaw WI, Muenster . . . Heck I don’t care! Getting ready to bed the bike down for the winter, so come springtime, a “Dirt Week” will be just what the doctor orders. I can think of no better way to scratch the itch that develops over a long winter.

now that youve narrowed the place lets narrow the time

heck,next year i get 3 weeks of vacation time it doesnt matter

but the earlier the date the further south it needs to be for us tenters. last of march first of april is tolerable in the knoxville area for tenters . the later the date the more intolerable the cabin fever becomes

Posted by: MrLuckey---------------------

I missed 2 years ago due to work. This past year was due to a move half way across the country, new job and no vacation (not to mention fuel costs). I made it to 4 in a row before that including driving 2,200 miles (one way) with 4 people and a dog in a toyota tundra pulling an overloaded trailer.

The trails at Merwin are uh well....I wouldn't call them trails

Fun track though.

I lived in Missouri for 3 years and never even went to finger lakes due to hearing so many people not have much good to say about it. No personal experience though.

I'll be trying to go to any and every DW but sometimes life gets in the way.

Posted by: nikki---------------------

If we have a spring DW at Casey.... no doubt we'll help round up a crew of attendees.

Posted by: Masterphil---------------------

I especially like Casey, I only live 2.5Hrs away

Posted by: motometal---------------------

maybe we should all chip in and send the mgmt at Casey a turkey this Christmas, to get them buttered up a bit...

Posted by: MXSparx---------------------

Lots of good times have been had at Casey

If you don't count the wifes sun poison insident in '00

Posted by: oldguy---------------------

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Originally Posted by MXSparx

Lots of good times have been had at Casey

If you don't count the wifes sun poison insident in '00

Next time let her bring some clothes along

How about a DW at the motohotel this spring

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

sounds like casey has been decided upon?? if so , is there a website for us ?

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Who decided?

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