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Annual income of DRN'ers
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Posted by: Masterphil---------------------

I was thinking earlier about what the average annual income is in the general dirtbiking population. I know that the DRN population isin't really an average sampling of the dirtbike community as a whole as far as knowledge goes, but I figure that it is an accurite sampling of income levels. I know that it is possible to own and operate fairly new dirtbikes at a low income level. I'm a colledge student and have very little "extra" money, It's just a matter of how we arrange our priority list and where we place this sport on that list list. As an example, I spend somewhere around 25-50% of my total net income on dirtbikes, parts, fuel, gear, etc. I have a prediction that if enough people participate in this poll, we'll find that an almost bell shaped curve, but with a greater number of people being in the above median income groups rather than in the below median income groups. Hardly scientific, but still something I've always been curious about.

Posted by: Tony Eeds---------------------

Interesting ... can the tax man see this?

Posted by: CRguyStan---------------------

Masterphil,
I think a slight clarification may be required to more accuratly gauge the results. Should the income be only the poster, only the rider(s) in the household, all parties in the household. If this is for only the poster, I need some advice how to get to the 27% in the 100k plus category!
Stan

Posted by: squeaky---------------------

I see where you're coming from Phil...I often wonder about how I afforded all my stuff when I first started out...

Then I remember, I lived at home at the time!

Posted by: mx547---------------------

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Originally Posted by squeaky

I often wonder about how I afforded all my stuff when I first started out...

when i first started out, i didn't have any major bills. i had more cash in pocket than i do now even though my income has more than quadrupled. poor planning, i guess. well, actually no planning.

Posted by: Masterphil---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by squeaky

I see where you're coming from Phil...I often wonder about how I afforded all my stuff when I first started out...

Then I remember, I lived at home at the time!

That's my trick, for now.

Posted by: Tony Eeds---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by mx547

when i first started out, i didn't have any major bills. i had more cash in pocket than i do now even though my income has more than quadrupled. poor planning, i guess. well, actually no planning.

Here we are stumbling into the future ...

When I graduated high school, I thought I would be rich if I could ever make $650 a month. Now I am thrilled if I get to KEEP $650 per month

I'm guessing the curve will not form up correctly because your catagories are a bit off in terms of distribution. Still interesting though.

Regarding the joint vs. individual income comment ... joint. Somewhere in the small print it says ... what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine ... at least that is how the judge on most divorce courts see it anyway.

Posted by: HajiWasAPunk---------------------

Masterphil,
I voted but I'm curious how you came up with the ranges you chose? I'm a phd student so I've spent a reasonable amount of time studying stats and questionarre construction etc. Seems odd to me that the ranges aren't all 20k increments? Just a guess but that 40-80k range would likely capture a majority on a forum about recipes, music or really anything where a the participants have internet access, a pc and a little time to to bother?

Vince Lombardi once said there are lies, damn lies, and then statistics.
I had a phd prof who said that most people use statistics the way a drunk man uses a street light, for support rather than illumination

Posted by: Masterphil---------------------

Haji- That was because i can't add by 20's in my head. I really don't know how that happened, but that wasn't my intention. I'm not trying to prove anything with this poll, it's a "take it for what it's worth" deal.

Someone edited my poll with another catagory labled "none of your business :-)". I can't figure out how to edit the poll, I don't think I have the ability to anyhow. Could you delete the "40-80k" group votes and split it into 2 groups. A "40-59K" group and a "60-80K" group. Would be much appreciated.

Posted by: nikki---------------------

If you edit it now and split up the 40-79, you'll lose the integrity of where the 28 people in that current bucket belong (and they won't be able to vote again, as they already voted). Doh!

Posted by: trakkerman---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masterphil

...it's a "take it for what it's worth" deal.

Posted by: HajiWasAPunk---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masterphil

Haji- That was because i can't add by 20's in my head. I really don't know how that happened, but that wasn't my intention. I'm not trying to prove anything with this poll, it's a "take it for what it's worth" deal.

Someone edited my poll with another catagory labled "none of your business :-)". I can't figure out how to edit the poll, I don't think I have the ability to anyhow. Could you delete the "40-80k" group votes and split it into 2 groups. A "40-59K" group and a "60-80K" group. Would be much appreciated.

haha, no big deal I was just curious and I thought the poll was interesting. It is an expensive hobby no matter how you slice it up. I've been involved in it for 6 months and though I didn't "need" that new bike, I now have over $10,000 in it between bikes for my son and I, gear and lessons/race fees, trailers, truck blah blah blah.

Posted by: Masterphil---------------------

I guess the only solution now is to nuke the post and do it right next time...

OR....

I could leave it like this, expecting that the majority of people will fall within that group, not caring about that fact, and look at the number of people that are either above or below the group. Because as it is now, that group is the median group, but if I split it, there would not be a median group. I think it works out better this way anyhow.

Oh, that "take it for what it's worth" comment was no pun inteded...

Haji-
Ain't that the truth, after I get my tax return back, I'm going to dump about $2000 on a truck. It's a long story, but dad used to have a truck I could use and dosen't anymore, so I've been stuck riding around here for the past 6 months. This summer is "new gear year" so I'll be getting a new helmet (really need this), jersey/pants, books, and a pair of Asterisks. After all that I'll have spent about $1000.

This is much more than a "sport", it's a Lifestyle.

Posted by: SpeedyManiac---------------------

While this sport is expensive, it's still possible to manage on a low income. Used bikes, older gear, etc are what I deal with. I'm a university student living on my own so my spare cash is almost nil. But, through some careful budgeting I manage to do alright, my bike is in good shape, my gear is decent and I still have a lot of fun.

Posted by: nikki---------------------

Hmm, I need to find me a sugar daddy on this site....

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

I need a sugar daddy too, Nik. Or a sugar mommy. However it works out.

I can lift heavy things.

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

the American dream , a woman that can clear doubles with dees, i meant decent job , oops sorry thats just mine

Posted by: 2-Strokes 4-ever---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikki

Hmm, I need to find me a sugar daddy on this site....

How does, "I'll be your sugar daddy" compare to........."I'll be your Huckelberry?"

Posted by: motometal---------------------

cost of living dictates standard of living as well. If I moved to a big city, i'd have to make 2-3 times as much to have the same standard of living. There are calculators for that on the 'net (not sure how accurate though) where you can convert depending on where you want to live.

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

poll; how many voted for household how many individual??

Posted by: 2stroke---------------------

Jeez...what a poll. Interesting to be sure. Me, Ive always been ultra low budget. Got married at 18 and started in on the family right away. 16 years, five kids, and a college degree later I suppose Im doing alright on most charts of national averages and such, but as for extra income?!? its an alien concept to me.

You know those social security statements they send you now and then? I look back at years past, and wonder how in the world I ever made it back then, but all in all I dont have any more extra money these days! Its an admitted fault in my management for sure. I spend 102 percent of my money.

the 2 percent is on my stable of rare and incureable motorcycles.

Posted by: HajiWasAPunk---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2stroke

extra income

"Extra Income" is the biggest oxymoron ever.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by HajiWasAPunk

"Extra Income" is the biggest oxymoron ever.

and then there's "disposable income". I don't know about you, but I don't have any that I can dispose of.

Posted by: Jaybird---------------------

All mine gets disposed of in quick order.

Posted by: cookiemuncher---------------------

where's the negative range lol, i'm at about -15k a year from college, will be in for about 40-50k by the time i'm done.

Posted by: KelvinKDX---------------------

No problem with the Gross Income ... It's the Net Income that gives me trouble!

Posted by: 767Capt---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by HajiWasAPunk

It is an expensive hobby no matter how you slice it up. I've been involved in it for 6 months and though I didn't "need" that new bike, I now have over $10,000 in it between bikes for my son and I, gear and lessons/race fees, trailers, truck blah blah blah.

Expensive? EXPENSIVE??? We started last year, and let's see... Dirt bikes: $18k, Gear: $2k, Truck: $47K, Toyhauler: $41k... Incidental repair costs; Honda 250X engine rebuild: $2k

$10,000 is lunch money, be happy...

Posted by: HajiWasAPunk---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by 767Capt

It's all relative right? I mean if 10 grand is lunch money for you, sweet! And I hope I get invited to dinner.

I still love the guy shows up in his 1980's econoline van and wins the open money class on a 98 CR250 2-stroke! You can spend a couple of thousand a year or you can spend a couple of million if you pick the right rig to haul your bike (I didn't count the cost of my truck etc)! But hey it's all in good fun! The fastest way to become a millionare in motocross is to start with two million and race until you only have 1.

Posted by: squeaky---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by 767Capt

You have 5 bikes for crying out loud!

And it's a sport you choose to be involved in, so I wouldn't complain!

Posted by: MrLuckey---------------------

No doubt and a 41k toyhauler lmao. Those aren't costs of riding bikes, those are costs of not having anything more pressing to do with money.

Posted by: squeaky---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLuckey

No doubt and a 41k toyhauler lmao. Those aren't costs of riding bikes, those are costs of not having anything more pressing to do with money.

I agree 100% Eddie...

Posted by: mdkuder---------------------

Like the commercial says "I'm in debt up to my eyeballs, someone please help me"

Posted by: stevensj2---------------------

I'm a broke full time student, making less than $20k a year, but I find I can manage my bike and car, so it works

Posted by: SpDyKen---------------------

When I was in school the girls said that I was more gross than average; I tended to agree with them!

One idea, Masterphil, for your next, unscientific, poll on income would be to include the following choices:
- More $ than I deserve
- More $ than sense
- More $ than God
- More $ than my spouse thinks
- Less $ than I deserve
- Less $ than I need
- Less $ than my spouse thinks

You get the idea!

Posted by: tnrider---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLuckey

No doubt and a 41k toyhauler lmao. Those aren't costs of riding bikes, those are costs of not having anything more pressing to do with money.

some of these things just make riding easier. it takes much work to pack for a day of riding - almost as much as for a week. thats why i am considering a toyhauler even for day trips. the 7x12 trailer is just too small any more for anything other than down the road with only bikes. and on multi-day trips, i can work from the toyhauler with a cell phone computer link.

chances are if you are in the 100k+ bracket, you have little free time and in order to enjoy what free time you do have, you must spend more $$$ to get at that free time - bike maintenance is fun for the first 5-minutes, then it sucks!!!

Posted by: DougRoost---------------------

As others pointed out, annual income is pointless, it's what's left over (i.e.- disposable or discretionary).

Posted by: MrLuckey---------------------

Annual income is NOT pointless. Someone who makes 500k a year and blows it on a million dollar house, boats, european vacations etc and then has 20k left is surely in a better position to blow that 20k on dirtbikes than someone making 60k a year with 20 leftover. Saying annual income is pointless is the goofiest thing I've heard in a long time lmao.

Posted by: truespode---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrLuckey

the goofiest thing I've heard in a long time lmao.

Damn... I guess I haven't been posting that much

Ivan

Posted by: thumbs---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by 767Capt

$10,000 is lunch money, be happy...

You forgot to throw this at us --------->

Posted by: Shawn007---------------------

What does imao stand for? This got me to remember something I had forgot about. When I was in college, in 1984, after having it good racing while living with the 'rents, I used to use 2 Ancra's to strap my '84 RM125 to the top of the trunk, with the handlebar against my rear windshield of my ratted '72 Dodge Challenger that I bought off a friend for $150.00(the car). The bike was worth way more than the car, at the time. Today, after watching the Barret/Jackson auoto auction, I'd rather have the car. Priorities change!

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