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Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

That's 3 and one of them "Real".

1) JS
2) Reed
3) RC

......

Gotta be a fluke, RC is for sure faster than Reed

Posted by: holyroller1---------------------

Finally a good race.

I can't wait to watch it on CBS tomorrow.

Posted by: xsnrg---------------------

Should be a great season...great racing in all the races and heats. Good stuff! Both classes have so much talent this year.

Posted by: pace---------------------

Looks like RC took a dirt sampling on lap 8 ?

Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by pace

Looks like RC took a dirt sampling on lap 8 ?

I was barely listening to the webcast, but I thought RC crashed while leading just after passig Chad. They don't show RC as leading a full lap on the AMA lap chart. Below is a link to the AMA results page.

http://www.amaproracing.com/06sx/anaheim1/index.html

FWIW, Chad had the fastest race lap time, with Bubba and RC within 0.6 seconds. 4th fastest rider, Fonseca was about 2.3 seconds slower than RC. Fonzie, the Rock and Ivan all had best laps within 0.3 seconds of one another.

Props to Larocco for a strong 4th. I would love to see him get a podium.

Cobra, McGrath and Mike Brown got their two strokes to the final, and went 10-11-12.

I think this year might live up to the hype we got last year. It's going to be good.

Posted by: CaptainObvious---------------------

Damn it Okie! You lied to me last night when you said that RC won, so I thought it was safe to look in the Spoiler thread.

Damn it!

Damn it!

Posted by: wardy---------------------

what i thought was interesting, 250f "lites" running damn near the the same lap times on average as the 250's in the "450" main......guess the time for handi-capping is over!!

Pretty COOL to see these guys winning Supercross on OPEN BIKES>....

This season will go to the rider (out of those three) that doesn't get hurt. Not seeing this but just listening to the descriptions on the riding. These guys are pushing so hard and will til they fall. I personally don't think it's a matter of "if" but a matter of when. Once that happens, who ever is left standing will get the lead and then cruise.
and thats way more SX racing then I care to pay attention to, winter started to soon need for racing to start here. sooner the better!

wardy

Posted by: holeshot---------------------

The lap times are here... (you probably need Flash installed and wait a few seconds)

http://206.168.146.114/sx/AMAflashresults.html

BTW..there were three riders on 250 smokers, Vuillemin, McGrath and Brown - they were all lapped. When will they learn.....

Posted by: HOT C---------------------

How about that new 17 year old kid, R Villopoto in the lites class? first supercross race ever to ran away with 2nd after leading the entire field for more than 10 laps, to end up 2nd on such a super techinical track. I would put my money on this kid any race, as long as he is health, he is the future of this sport,could be the next RC / Bubba.

Posted by: wardy---------------------

Not sure what thier age is on those two strokes but hey, they just haven't been "told" what they are going to ride.....
LOL The Rock is on an Open bike now, of course he is used to them!

wardy

Posted by: Thump---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOT C

How about that new 16 year old kid, R Vilopoto in the lites class? first supercross race ever to ran away with 2nd after leading the entire field for more than 10 laps, to end up 2nd on such a super techinical track. I would put my money on this kid any race, as long as he is health, he is the future of this sport,could be the next RC / Bubba.

He's 17 actually, but none the less, great first ride. Gonna be one to watch in the future.

Posted by: Wraith---------------------

By the looks of that track at A1, you would have to ride a "Open" bike. Of course I wasn't there, but the spacing of the jumps, looked far greater than previous years. They had a few sweeping corners for a Supercross track. So why would you not ride a "Open" bike? I would like to see the track crew make track changes thru the year where the riders "might" opt to change between a 2/4 stroke at different venues. This was certainly a "Open" track. This will be a great year for racing, I just hope everyone makes it to the Outdoors healty.

At least the coverage was good. Had I not looked in the TV guide in the Sunday paper, I would have missed the coverage at 11A.M.

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

I thought Stewart was going to ride over his head after such a dismal start, but he did the right thing by hooking up with RC and working through the pack. Fonseca may have led a lot longer had he not augered, but he may have given it up to Tedesco at some point if he hadn't gone down.

Then all the sudden we had the three big dogs out front! Maybe RC could learn something from Stewart and maybe hold off for a bit

Barring something unfortunate, it's gonna be a helluva year.

Posted by: HomeMadeSin---------------------

What a reversal. It looked like Ricky was riding a bit over his head and subsequently did some handlebar surfing. Stewart was playing his own game and came out on top. Well, it was pretty damn exciting for the first 8 laps.

Kudos to #7. I'm not sure what got into him over the off season, but it worked. I think he's gotten into RC's head.

Reed looked great, but still bridesmaid. Tedesco, too, but he might be the next bridesmaid.

Z

Posted by: wardy---------------------

Hey the new Open class can grunt out of a corner and jump farther with better traction. Not to mention weren't the "old" guys on the two strokes? LOL you know the guys who really "have" a choice.

RC riding a 450 in this setting will be at a dis-advantage, my opinion. WHY? because the 450 is a big bike to throw around, and his size will matter. The whoops I seen on tv today and his bike bouncing the way it was, shows me lack of being able to control it.

And sure the tracks are built for the open class turds, thats what you the public are suppose to buy! hell ya! LOL what is a top end for a 2 stroke? How many times do you need a valve adjustment?

On another note, how many times is MC going to hit the ground that hard and decide to retire and enjoy his past.

LaRocco is just plain cool with that performance, of course all the open class racing in his past helps alot!

:P

wardy

Posted by: rodH---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by wardy

Hey the new Open class can grunt out of a corner and jump farther with better traction. Not to mention weren't the "old" guys on the two strokes? LOL you know the guys who really "have" a choice.

RC riding a 450 in this setting will be at a dis-advantage, my opinion. WHY? because the 450 is a big bike to throw around, and his size will matter. The whoops I seen on tv today and his bike bouncing the way it was, shows me lack of being able to control it.

And sure the tracks are built for the open class turds, thats what you the public are suppose to buy! hell ya! LOL what is a top end for a 2 stroke? How many times do you need a valve adjustment?

On another note, how many times is MC going to hit the ground that hard and decide to retire and enjoy his past.

LaRocco is just plain cool with that performance, of course all the open class racing in his past helps alot!

:P

wardy

good points, I sometimes wonder if RC would be faster on the 2 stroke (given his size).

btw, is your name "Wardy" in honor of Jeff Ward?

Posted by: Tiger---------------------

Great track and race! :D

If the top 3 switched back to the 2-stroke...they would still win. They are flying out there.

Posted by: oldguy---------------------

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Originally Posted by rodH

btw, is your name "Wardy" in honor of Jeff Ward?

No it is Wardy in honor of himself Gerhart Ward

Posted by: Wraith---------------------

As much as I like to see McGrath out there, I agree with you Wardy. Mabey SuperMoto would be a better place to get his "fix", but who I am to question him. I can't even get a win in the C class

I say, while the two strokes are here at our disposal, why not mix up the track designs which might allow for the top riders to switch between races. The way I see it, you might have a rider setting up his four stroke for the season. You might have another setting his two stroke for the season, and another that is setting both two and four stoke up for the season. I know there are some riders who could make the transition between two and four stroke realitivly easily from week to week. There might be some who could not, I don't know. It's just a though.

Posted by: TwinSpar---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by wardy

LaRocco is just plain cool with that performance, of course all the open class racing in his past helps alot!

wardy

I can't agree more! I love that he is still a top 5 player. I must admit that I like seeing The Rock outdoors more than in SX though...

To the last "Real" open class champ!

Posted by: jackdrinker---------------------

I wish the networks would take a page from the canadians and the coverage on speed.. shoot, they follow the battle for 19th place and get hyped about it.

That track was just to vicious and the riders will tell anyone that, it was a giant yard sale...

It kills me how the commentary and some post on the net are actually counting ricky out all ready... Thats crazy, BUT IMO he needs to ride the Rm250... He's not an indoor 450 rider, I was shocked at Larocco's skills riding that thing inside..

The riders need Friday practice if the tracks are going to be like that or we will have a ton of injuries..

Watching AMA supercross kills me, I hate it honestly.. It's boring the way it is produced... I'll just tape the Tuesday CMA races...

Posted by: wardy---------------------

OH MY absolutely !!!! I could care less the way the shoot, announce etc stupidcross, but watching the Canadian races is cool. Lets face it they concentrate on what matters, they have the cameras in the RIGHT LOCATIONS, they shoot like you said the racing not just the leaders. Hell you can tell they don't care bout much else, I haven't see ONE of those races up there having the grass mowed! Of course in the politically correct north they likely don't "mow" grass. :P

Tuesdays are MX TV days for sure.

wardy

LOL i was wardy before Jeff was,(i think by a few years) but he is the famous, fastest 2 or 4 wheel "wardy" racer that I know, only difference used to be (other then faster),he was skinnier and shorter, now he may only be shorter!

Posted by: rodH---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by wardy

wardy

LOL i was wardy before Jeff was,(i think by a few years) but he is the famous, fastest 2 or 4 wheel "wardy" racer that I know, only difference used to be (other then faster),he was skinnier and shorter, now he may only be shorter!

LOL, true, he has gained some wt, my family was pretty close to Jeff, he took my lil bro to LV for a supercross event and and surprised him with all new gear for his B-day. He also gave him an Original Troy Lee painted open face helmet. He also bought his KX125 he won on, but has since sold it (regrets it). My dad was short like Jeff and had the same shoe size, so Jeff would pass him along some of his shoes he got from sponsers, we would always call those shoes his "Wardys". Jeff was always a good guy and I still root for him out there.

Posted by: wardy---------------------

Always followed his career, rooting him on at Red Bud the few times we went. He seemed like a class act and one thing for sure, he is a "true" racer. No question about that. I was being "smart" but, gaining weight comes with age, (thats my excuse!). But he is still fast as hell.

wardy

Posted by: dirtrocks---------------------

NO! it cant be true, rc lost, can it?
and does anyone know how the alessi's finished

Posted by: Sunny State KDX---------------------

801 took a soil sample while running top 5 he finished 11th. Karma at it's best

They have Nothing for Andrew Short in SX this season IMO.

Oh and it's True RC took a nice Dirt Nap as well. Was a thing of beauty watching him get bull dogged off the bars. Bubba WILL win the Championship this year.

Posted by: dirtrocks---------------------

so bubba got the overall, and how did 800 finish in the overall?

Posted by: nephron---------------------

I know very little about this topic, but it seems to me that RC is making the same mistakes he's made in the past with setup. His bike's better than his old Honda (setup), but he's still got it running low in the stroke with the subframe cut, etc. All of his problems in the whoops seemed to me to be due to him running out of stroke and the ass kicking up everywhere. There was one section they were filming from behind and to the left of him where he swapped through the entire thing every lap. It looked to me like he was set up to turn tightly as well...his bike looks unconventional to me.

Bubba looks so damn relaxed out there. I think he knows he owns everyone's ass. Which he does.

Posted by: Jon K.---------------------

Bubba ran a smooth, very smart, race. My hat is off to him.

Can he do it a few more times?

I predict a very determined RC will emerge.

Should be a great season!!!

Posted by: HOT C---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtrocks

so bubba got the overall, and how did 800 finish in the overall?

800 Mike Alessi got 9th.

Posted by: DRK---------------------

RC looked out of control in the whoops for a few laps before he dismounted to take soil samples. The back end was all over the place.

JBS looked very mature and in control of the bike the whole race.

CR just did not have the speed to hang with Bubba.

I agree, RC will study those tapes and work extremely hard to solve his problems in the whoops.

Posted by: Micahdawg---------------------

Man, that was a great race all around. It was hard to see Reed not win seeing as how he got a great start, stayed out in front for quite a while....and looked silky smooth pretty much the entire race. In the end, Bubba just rode better and won. It was great to see Reed keep a cool head when banging bars with those guys and not go down at all. So while it sucked to see him not win with the opportunity he had....he still threw down an impressive performance IMO.

And kudos to Bubba for chilling out. It's paying off for him. He probably would have loved to pull a hyperspeed pass on Reed like Carmichael did, but it cost carmichael and Bubba's patience paid off.

Kudos to all....it's rare to see Bubba and Reed stay cool headed and get 1-2 with Carmichael taking soil samples and pulling in a 3rd place finish. I think we'll have some great racing ahead of us...just too bad Windham can't partake in it.

Micah

Posted by: i_955---------------------

That was an incredible race and we are in for a spectators season of racing.

It was great to see Reed back in good smooth form at speed, Bubba keep his rear fender on and RC up front for a ½ a lap.
I hope Reed is ok with second every weekend and doesn't get over thinking the situation. If he rides for second he will pick up all the wins that RC & JBS hand him when they go down.

It's so easy to see that RC has BUBBA on the brain and nothing but Bubba's 4 stroke breaking down every weekend is going to change that.
Stay healthy everyone, we need all them & why isn’t Townley racing, he could make it 4 really super fast guys lapping 5th.

Posted by: BEEF706---------------------

I have to admit that A-1 was exact role reversal of what I expected, I hope we are in for a real season with more than 1 winner and a real chase for the crown. I am eating crow right now about JBS, I did not expect that much more maturity in one season, he is something! (I can't fit on the bandwagon yet though few people have ot get off first

) I am really proud for Ivan, he seems to be on Reed's pace already and my observation of him is that he gets better every year during the season, so I Hope to see him up front and maybe in position s to steal a main or so this year! BTW Go RC I still think he will wear the crown this year!

Posted by: cnielse5---------------------

My 2 cents on the race after seeing it.

Reed needed to get out front a lot sooner that he did. he had fonseca nad tedesco in front of him by lap until lap 5 and by that time rc and JS were next behind him. Considering how bad rc and js starts were reed should have worked harder on getting in front and putting more people between him and those two.

Steward rode patient and well. once he was past reed he checked out.

RC looked like he was hanging it out a little too far, and his one weakness got him (whoops)

Sure missed KW this race.

Loved what I saw of tedesco until he stalled it.

Posted by: zcookie49---------------------

yeah, good to see JBS be patient for the win, that is what he needed to bring this year for the title. I think Reed will be happy with what he got, he seems to get better as the series goes on and at least this time he is only 3 pts back instead of 25 from last years A1. I do agree also that RC might have JBS in his thoughts, just needs to race his own race, hopefully he gets himself dialed back in as well.
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Kinda what I thought would happen with MC, as much as I love to see him out there, it just doesnt seem right to see him in 11th. I know he is parttime and doing this for fun, but it is just odd to see him drop so fast while the Rock is about the same age and still placing 4th.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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but it is just odd to see him drop so fast while the Rock is about the same age and still placing 4th.

Kinda like watching MJ come back at 50 and not be able to dunk it...

Posted by: Solid State---------------------

Reed gets the award for most improved since the Canadian rounds, but it seemed to me that right after he almost stuffed Bubba in that turn, he let him go by - almost as an apology. He should have taken him on right then and there to let Bubba know that he intends to re-gain the crown. With three guys equally qualified to win this time, I'd like to see a little more attitude. Racing for second is something Reed has got a little too used to perhaps.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Reed is pretty used to racing for second don't you think? Are you suggesting that JS wasn't faster and would have gotten around if Reed wasn't nice? I suspect that if Stewart continues riding like he is (last three rounds), it'll be a take out that allows RC or Reed a win. I doubt either of them will stoop to that.

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

K-Dub disease, Reed's been hit with so many lefts(RC's) that he was beggin for a right(JS)

Posted by: Rotaholic---------------------

Townley has hurt his wrist but is going to be ok for round 2. Being a kiwi I hope he does well, hes not a supercross rider and its all new to him, but the kid can ride and ride well so its only a matter of time before hes on top.
Shame he didnt sign with Suzuki though, what a team we would have then

Posted by: rodH---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by nephron

I know very little about this topic, but it seems to me that RC is making the same mistakes he's made in the past with setup. His bike's better than his old Honda (setup), but he's still got it running low in the stroke with the subframe cut, etc. All of his problems in the whoops seemed to me to be due to him running out of stroke and the ass kicking up everywhere. There was one section they were filming from behind and to the left of him where he swapped through the entire thing every lap. It looked to me like he was set up to turn tightly as well...his bike looks unconventional to me.

Bubba looks so damn relaxed out there. I think he knows he owns everyone's ass. Which he does.

Agree, his rear suspension looks so compressed and packs down on the whoops. Is his spring to soft, rebound damping too strong, or what is the deal??

Posted by: i_955---------------------

During the Vancouver SuperCross Main, the announcers were going on & on about the new “trick” suspension parts which were on-route for Ricky. Suzuki said it wasn’t Rickys riding, they found a hard problem with his bike and these new components would be in and ready for A1.

Considering there was no Friday practice, might it be possible that Suzuki didn’t have enough time on the new components to break them in and therefore unable to adjust properly.

I think it will take a “new” suspension break-through for Ricky to beat James this year. And a new suspension breakthrough will benefit us all in a couple years.

Posted by: wardy---------------------

LOL hard parts to lengthen his legs and lower the center of gravity of at 450 would do him better.

wardy

Posted by: Solid State---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

Reed is pretty used to racing for second don't you think? Are you suggesting that JS wasn't faster and would have gotten around if Reed wasn't nice? I suspect that if Stewart continues riding like he is (last three rounds), it'll be a take out that allows RC or Reed a win. I doubt either of them will stoop to that.

I didn't review lap times, but Reed, RC and Bubba looked pretty equally matched for at least half the race. Reed looked fine setting the pace. However, when RC got passed by Bubba, RC attacked right away. I expected Reed to do the same. Bubba is playing the ‘be patient till the last two laps then check out game’. Given his talent and that approach, Bubba will consistently win – very clever indeed. RC seems to know this and has chosen the ‘attack back and check out yourself’ game. Reed is playing the ‘be smooth and consistent” (ala MC) game. All is very good stuff to watch, but to beat Bubba, you have to make him get out of control.

My comments about being more aggressive come from watching a few of those MX history shows where ‘playing nice’ and being ‘patient’ were not in vogue. I certainly don’t want to see any take out moves, but given that Bubba is fastest in SX, eventually playing ‘follow the leader’ is not going to be fun to watch IMO.

Posted by: Micahdawg---------------------

Historically, when Reed would get passed and go into attack mode....he would be riding beyond his ability and eventually go down. That's why these days I would almost prefer him to just not attack, but play the card he's got.....smooth and consistant.

As for him giving Bubba the easy pass. It looked to me like he was banking on bubba losing his momentum after that stuff. But what happened was bubba kept his momentum (just got pushed to an outside line), but it screwed Reed on his momentum as you could see him bobble in that first set. That bobble is what cost him. If he didn't bobble...he might have held bubba off for another straight away or two, but with like 8 laps left.....it was a lost cause. Like I said, if Reed tried to keep up he probably would have been worse off.

Maybe he'll slowly pick up his game, but I think the facts are that Bubba is just faster than Reed and it'll probably take more luck than skill for Reed to beat him.

Micah

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