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RC vs JBS outdoors??
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Posted by: rodH---------------------

What are your predictions for the outdoor season. My understanding is that RC's biggest strength is outdoors and not SX. When you watch RC and Bubba, it is very obvious that Bubba is faster on quick whoop sections, while RC is faster at turning and rhythm sections (but now that gap is closing) and starting.

How good of an outdoor racer is Bubba and what are your opinions??

Posted by: HiG4s---------------------

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Originally Posted by rodH

What are your predictions for the outdoor season. My understanding is that RC's biggest strength is outdoors and not SX. When you watch RC and Bubba, it is very obvious that Bubba is faster on quick whoop sections, while RC is faster at turning and rhythm sections (but now that gap is closing) and starting.

How good of an outdoor racer is Bubba and what are your opinions??

I think JBS will have a hard time getting 2nd outdoors if he keeps throwing it on the ground and Kdub is back in form.

Posted by: oldfrt613---------------------

I'm going to have to give the nod to Bubba - the kid is incredably fast when he can hang it out. I don't think racing outdoors is as mental a game as indoors. I see this outdoor season being the changing of the guard.

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

not a chance, maybe wishful thinking, JS gets a stomach bug when the temps are above 72degrees

Posted by: oldfrt613---------------------

Oh trust me, it's not wishfull thinking - I am not a Stewart Fan.

Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

RC is the greatest outdoor MXer of all time. Bubba will prevent him from getting another perfect season, but RC will once again win the title.

Bubba's best chance to beat RC is in SX.

Posted by: Red Mamba---------------------

I dont care how many times he crashes as long as he can get up and ride again, but it seems like Bubba is getting even more faster each round despite crashing quite often. I remember Ricky had several crashes in his first big bike season debut till he got it all together, hopefully Bubba will do the same, but as good as RC is outdoors vs Bubba its hard to tell till it happens next season, the good news is both are on 4 strokes and KW is back outdoors, might turnout to be another thriller.

Posted by: FruDaddy---------------------

In order for James to beat Ricky outdoors, he's gonna have to ride on the very edge of control, and probably cross it regularly. While he seem to be riding a bit smarter lately, if James rides that hard, chances are he's going to lose it and wad up.

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Originally Posted by rodH

My understanding is that RC's biggest strength is outdoors and not SX.

Have you ever seen RC outdoors? If I remember the stats correctly, he has only lost one outdoor moto in the last 3 years, and 0 races. To say that he is beter outdoors is an understatement, he usually spends the last lap playing and waving to the fans. Stewart can only hope that thumper can get (and keep) him close to RC when the weather gets warm.

Posted by: JST122---------------------

I cant bet against the champ until I actually see someone beat him straight up for a full season and the championship. RC's strength is motocross not supercross. Stewart can hold his own against RC indoors but once they move outdoors its a whole differenet story. RC has never lost an outdoor MX championship and I see no reason to bet against him until someone can actually prove that they can beat him. RC is the GOAT!

Posted by: rickyd---------------------

RC (IMO) feels that he IS THE OUTDOOR KING and THE TITLE IS HIS

If somebody tries too take it from him, expect a fight

Posted by: rodH---------------------

OH, I forget to mention another HUGE strength RC seems to have over Bubba, Training and endurance!!! Also, I am gonna bet that RC is lighter, which means when they are flat out on some of the long straights and hills, and they can actually use ALL the power, RC will benefit. How can anyone say that "Bubba is better at hanging it out"?? Have you actually watched RC??? Bubba hangs out so much that he hangs OFF, RC hangs out to the very edge, but it is much more controlled it seems.

Posted by: wardy---------------------

Lets just hope he settles down some (james) and it will be a real series like we have in SX. Last year seeing that tape of him landing on RC was scary. LOL RC's new visors have rear view mirrors so he knows when to duck.

Posted by: Tony Williams---------------------

Well, Bubba just about got landed on yesterday when he didn't triple, and everybody else did !!

Posted by: DRK---------------------

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Originally Posted by dirt bike dave

RC is the greatest outdoor MXer of all time. Bubba will prevent him from getting another perfect season, but RC will once again win the title.

Bubba's best chance to beat RC is in SX.

Exactly as I would have put it.

Posted by: Reesknight---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by JST122

I cant bet against the champ until I actually see someone beat him straight up for a full season and the championship. RC's strength is motocross not supercross. Stewart can hold his own against RC indoors but once they move outdoors its a whole differenet story. RC has never lost an outdoor MX championship and I see no reason to bet against him until someone can actually prove that they can beat him. RC is the GOAT!

Ditto. It's never been wise to bet against RC, and that hasn't changed!

Posted by: Vic---------------------

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Originally Posted by wardy

RC's new visors have rear view mirrors so he knows when to duck.

VisorVue is back!

Posted by: Masterphil---------------------

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Originally Posted by rickyd

RC (IMO) feels that he IS THE OUTDOOR KING and THE TITLE IS HIS. If somebody tries too take it from him, expect a fight.

My thoughts exactly.

Posted by: JMD---------------------

RC is a more gutsy rider; when it gets fast, he really hauls. JBS is technically better, better timing, better precision, so he does well indoors. It's only Bubba's inexperience and RC's will that are keeping Bubba from winning this SX season. Outdoors, I think RC will just go scary fast and win almost everything again. On the other hand, JBS is getting faster all the time, and more experienced. His day is coming, and it could happen without warning.

Posted by: Red Mamba---------------------

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Originally Posted by JMD

RC is a more gutsy rider; when it gets fast, he really hauls. JBS is technically better, better timing, better precision, so he does well indoors. It's only Bubba's inexperience and RC's will that are keeping Bubba from winning this SX season. Outdoors, I think RC will just go scary fast and win almost everything again. On the other hand, JBS is getting faster all the time, and more experienced. His day is coming, and it could happen without warning.

Makes good sense but i dont know about RC winning every outdoors race when they are both on thumpers and dont forget about Bubba's outdoor domination in the lites class on a 2 stroke vs 4 strokes. I think Bubba is gonna be hard to deal with if he stays on 2 wheels on that thumper, if you seen him lately how he rides this thing on a sx track you just wonder how fast he can go outdoors. I think we are in for another thriller despite the unforeseen AMA - DRAMA.

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

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Originally Posted by Vic

VisorVue is back!

Vic beat me to it

Posted by: JMD---------------------

I'd be happy to see JBS challenge for the win at every outdoor race. Makes it more fun. But I still think that RC will win "almost" all of them. I don't think he'll win every race, let alone every moto this year. I admit that I want to see RC win it; I always tend to favor the old lion against the young one. I just want to see RC go out on top. Then James can take over.

Posted by: D Lafleur---------------------

Someone has got to keep RCs mechanic from shaving the front left knobs off of JBS's tires first. What is it about that first turn. If the the Team Kawasaki coach was like my old basketball coach JBS would be doing nothing other than starts and turns for 2 hours a day.

Posted by: Reesknight---------------------

JS is a first corner meylay magnet!

Posted by: elf---------------------

We all know Bubba is fast, he will be faster than RC on some tracks and certain sections of of some tracks.
The question is.... can bubba go 30 min + 2 laps at RC's speed or faster??
He has not proven that he can as of yet.

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

i can go faster than RC on any 5 feet of track , anywhere, linking another 5 feet after that will be tough with a broken body or bike. Bubba has figured out how to get 5 entire laps faster than RC . that means nothing unless you can do this for an entire race. 5 feet or 5 laps faster will never get the race

Posted by: Reesknight---------------------

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Originally Posted by elf

The question is.... can bubba go 30 min + 2 laps at RC's speed or faster??
He has not proven that he can as of yet.

I think he's more than proven that several times. What he has not proven yet is that he can do it consistantly enough to take a championship from him.

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

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Originally Posted by Reesknight

I think he's more than proven that several times. What he has not proven yet is that he can do it consistantly enough to take a championship from him.

at which race has Bubba went as fast or faster than RC for 30minutes+2???

Posted by: SpeedyManiac---------------------

None.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Keep on holding tight ellandoh

Posted by: Reesknight---------------------

Oops, this is the outdoor thread

sorry. Your right. JS has never beaten RC outdoors that I can remember. But 30 plus 2? Maybe if you count practice!

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

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Originally Posted by Okiewan

Keep on holding tight ellandoh

do i feel a prediction coming , are ya going big again??

ps . if the sx keeps going at a predictable rate, i went too big on our side bet , be nice Okie,

Posted by: Philip---------------------

I think bubba is faster than RC indoors or out. It will be the outside elements (heat,humidity,etc.) that will tell the tale. RC has years of this kind of conditioning and that will be his edge. I don't see anymore perfection out of RC though.

Posted by: Masterphil---------------------

JBS just plain dosen't have the experience of running MX tracks on a big bike at Mach 1. He very well may be able to beat RC, but he's not going to take the championship unless he takes Ricky out.

Posted by: john3_16---------------------

RC is just flat out faster than everyone outdoors....Alot faster....When Stewart stays on two wheels he has a very slight edge on RC in the stadiums...There have been a few indoor races where RC has put in the fastest lap times, but Bubba seems to have the fastest time more often.

But outdoors its RC all the way. Faster lap times, and faster the entire race.

Posted by: Red Mamba---------------------

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Originally Posted by john3_16

RC is just flat out faster than everyone outdoors....Alot faster....When Stewart stays on two wheels he has a very slight edge on RC in the stadiums...There have been a few indoor races where RC has put in the fastest lap times, but Bubba seems to have the fastest time more often.

But outdoors its RC all the way. Faster lap times, and faster the entire race.

We have'nt seen Bubba on a big bike outdoors yet to compare with Ricky, no way you can compare a 2 stroke vs 4 stroke on an outdoor track, maybe it's worth the wait to see who is faster.

Posted by: Vic---------------------

It's gonna be good.

Posted by: Ryone---------------------

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Originally Posted by Red Mamba

no way you can compare a 2 stroke vs 4 stroke on an outdoor track, maybe it's worth the wait to see who is faster.

It's funny though that Bubba caught so much flack for saying he was underpowered on his smoker...

Posted by: Tony Williams---------------------

I think RC will have his hands full with Stewart this summer, but the sad truth is that this summer will only be a two man show.

I do think Stewart can duplicate many of RC's records down the road, perhaps with perfect seasons after RC is gone...

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

yes , but a perfect season to JS means 24 motos 24 soil samples

Posted by: HiG4s---------------------

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Originally Posted by Red Mamba

We have'nt seen Bubba on a big bike outdoors yet to compare with Ricky, no way you can compare a 2 stroke vs 4 stroke on an outdoor track, maybe it's worth the wait to see who is faster.

The more I think about this the more I'm not sure.. Byrne ran toward the front of the pack outdoors and got a 6th overall on a the same 2 stroke Bubba couldn't win with, and now indoors on the 4 stroke Byrne is running right about in the same 3/4/5 positions at times and is 9th overall.

Posted by: rickyd---------------------

What got me was one of the magazine writers made a comment last year about Kawi not having a good rider, or something along that line.. Bryne rode great during the nats, no wins, but good performances..

Posted by: gump824---------------------

there is nobody on the outdoor lineup that is in the shape that rc is in he is two years ahead of everybody else on training he just maintains know as far as stewart he is the man in sx when he rides all 20 laps but outdoors i think he will run with rc for a little while but rc can go hard the whole time and he is not going to back off i wonder what stewart excuse will be know he has a 4 stroke?????

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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i wonder what stewart excuse will be know he has a 4 stroke?????

He won't need one and you won't hear him use one. Excuses are for Chad

Funny, RC said in the Vegas post-race Press Conference that JS had a big disadvantage with the 2-T last year "the 4 strokes are like cheating".

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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Originally Posted by ellandoh

do i feel a prediction coming , are ya going big again??

ps . if the sx keeps going at a predictable rate, i went too big on our side bet , be nice Okie,

I'm tempted to go REALLY big this year

Just as everyone says the same things about RC... conditioning, owns outside, the same stuff mentioned a million times (and it's all likely true) ; here ya go:

1) JS wins the title.
2) RC NEVER BEATS JS again, inside or out, without a fall, which happens less and less frequently. It didn't happen all year in SX and it won't outside. This is the season James grows-up.
3) RC zealots make excuses; "RC is retiring, he's not hanging it out any more".

There, I said it! You guys can quote this at the end of the season and poke me in the eyes with red-hot pointy sticks.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

From the SX thread:

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Originally Posted by dirt bike dave

I am ready!

No perfect seasons this time.

RC wins more than 50% of the motos and overalls and takes yet another championship. He goes 1-1 in the final round at Glen Helen to beat JBS by 20 points.

Bubba pressures RC the entire season, is mathmatically alive until the final moto and occassionally puts a harsh beating on RC, straight-up. At several events they both lap 5+ seconds better than KW and Reed.

Chad and Windham both get on the podium frequently, but are outclassed by JBS and RC and battle for 3rd.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

I'm thinking Milsaps runs close at times with K-Dub .. maybe a podium or three. That kid outside on a 450 is going to be impressive.

Another odd thought, lol: Reed bails on the Nationals to get his new team together and avoid the ass-whoopin he was about to receive.

With Reed in:

1) JS
2) RC
3) K-Dub
4) Reed
5) Milsaps (toss-up between 5 & 6)
6) Langston
7) Wey
8) Tedesco
9 and down: crap shoot.

Posted by: rickyd---------------------

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Originally Posted by Okiewan

I'm thinking Milsaps runs close at times with K-Dub .. maybe a podium or three. That kid outside on a 450 is going to be impressive.

Another odd thought, lol: Reed bails on the Nationals to get his new team together and avoid the ass-whoopin he was about to receive.

With Reed in:

1) JS
2) RC
3) K-Dub
4) Reed
5) Milsaps (toss-up between 5 & 6)
6) Langston
7) Wey
8) Tedesco
9 and down: crap shoot.

No Bryner?? Didnt he finish 5th last year w/a points deduction

JS, RC, Bryner, K-Dub, Milsaps, Wey, Hot Sauce.. Reed will drop out at some point and call it a season

Lagston riding a 450 outdoors??

Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

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Originally Posted by rickyd

Lagston riding a 450 outdoors??

I don't think RASCAL makes a 450

http://www.rascalscooters.com/images/dyn/600t-1b.jpg

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