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Posted by: Red Mamba---------------------

I've heard a lot about this guy Stefan Everts and he is considered the GOAT over in europe, i have never seen the guy race ,but since this is his retirement year and will never get a chance to see him race Ricky or Bubba, does anybody know how good this guy is compared to Ricky or Bubba ? Who would eat whose roost ?

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

He's raced with RC (2 DesNations on Everts turf),three times that I can recall (Here at Southwick? Can't recall what track)? Am I missing something?
He lost each time.

Bubba won't get the chance to spank him.

Posted by: Red Mamba---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

He's raced with RC (2 DesNations on Everts turf),three times that I can recall (Here at Southwick? Can't recall what track)? Am I missing something?
He lost each time.

Bubba won't get the chance to spank him.

Then he is not the GOAT as he is beeing called in europe. I was just reading about his retirement on cyclenews.com.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

In Europe, he's def. the GOAT... for what that's worth

Seriously... he's had a tremendous career.

Posted by: Red Mamba---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

In Europe, he's def. the GOAT... for what that's worth

Seriously... he's had a tremendous career.

How would you rank him with the rest of today's AMA lineup, may be below Tedesco ?

Posted by: Someone---------------------

3-5

Posted by: TheGrinch---------------------

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Originally Posted by Someone

3-5

Yep. The guy is an awesome racer and a true champon, though this type of question has been asked many times and RC has proven he is better.

Posted by: mtk---------------------

The GOAT in Europe?

Wow, that's like winning the Special Olympics or something.

He couldn't carry RC's jock, as evidenced by the number of times RC spanked him in a straight-up race.

Posted by: rickyd---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by mtk

The GOAT in Europe?

Wow, that's like winning the Special Olympics or something.

Yeah, a nice achievement

Posted by: Red Mamba---------------------

So he is an outdoor GOAT only in europe, no way near Ricky / Bubba level, explains why he never tryed to race fulltime against the best on planet (atleast arenacross).

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Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

I'm sure there were several reasons... two that I'm aware of;

1) His sponsors are for the European marketplace
2) He didn't want to do SX

Posted by: Chili---------------------

The only rider I would concede victory against Everts is RC. Stewart has the speed to beat him as he does RC but Everts is just as consistent as RC so that could go either way depending on James. Everts would be in a battle with Reed and K-Dub for 3rd over here on the days James keeps it on 2 wheels.

Everts is an amazing talent who in 2003 won all three classes (MX1, MX2 and MX3) in the same day at a GP. He also decided after the GP season in 2003 to head over to the ISDE for ****s and giggles and won one of if not the most demanding Enduro event in the world on his first attempt.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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won all three classes (MX1, MX2 and MX3) in the same day at a GP

All one moto formats yes? Still, amazing.

Posted by: Chili---------------------

Yes that was during the time they ran the one moto format.

Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

No question Everts is one of the best MX racers of all time. Top 10 ever? I think so. Up there with guys like Decoster and Robert.

IMO, RC is the best ever.

Posted by: Red Mamba---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chili

The only rider I would concede victory against Everts is RC. Stewart has the speed to beat him as he does RC but Everts is just as consistent as RC so that could go either way depending on James. Everts would be in a battle with Reed and K-Dub for 3rd over here on the days James keeps it on 2 wheels.

Everts is an amazing talent who in 2003 won all three classes (MX1, MX2 and MX3) in the same day at a GP. He also decided after the GP season in 2003 to head over to the ISDE for ****s and giggles and won one of if not the most demanding Enduro event in the world on his first attempt.

But but but, he is not tested on a techinical most demanding and quiet risky sx track week after week against the best sx riders in the world.

Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Mamba

But but but, he is not tested on a techinical most demanding and quiet risky sx track week after week against the best sx riders in the world.

true and he wouldnt last on them, he hasnt been brought up on them like RC etc, you cant compare really, Rc is faster and more consistant, Bubba is not really a comparison and he hasnt actually won a big bike title, and everts has about 7!!Bubba would ride away from Everts on any track but Evert would probably still beat him over a season.In fact most decent 250 riders beat Bubba over a season!!

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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In fact most decent 250 riders beat Bubba over a season!!

Well, 1 for sure THIS season... think Reed can hold second? Could be close.

Posted by: BonChance13---------------------

Everts is one of my fav's,but RC is the best.Didn't K-Dub beat him soundly at the last US GP at Budds?

Posted by: muddy226---------------------

Everts at his peak and RC at his would be interesting. As for right now, I think we should remember that Everts was winning titles when Stewart was still on his stabilisers. I have never seen a rider with such skill and smooth speed as Everts, and I doubt I ever will. As for SX, its not been something that european riders have been brought up with.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Okay.. you went from RC to JS...
Forget "prime" ... Everts has NEVER been as fast as RC. Let's not go overboard here, lol. He was spanked by RC when he was spanking all the Euros.. yes? Even spanked by KW "back in the day".
Simple fact is.. Everts is a great champ, but GOAT? NO FREAKIN WAY.

(DAMN THE "GOAT" thing)

Posted by: Red Mamba---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

Okay.. you went from RC to JS...
Forget "prime" ... Everts has NEVER been as fast as RC. Let's not go overboard here, lol. He was spanked by RC when he was spanking all the Euros.. yes? Even spanked by KW "back in the day".
Simple fact is.. Everts is a great champ, but GOAT? NO FREAKIN WAY.

(DAMN THE "GOAT" thing)

Did Chad Reed get a piece of him too ? I think if Reed was racing in europe he would deserve to be the GOAT without doubt.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Mr. Mamba... You need to read a little moto history bro.

Seems like you are trying to belittle the accomplishments of Everts...
The guy is a great champion that's been VERY good for the sport.

Posted by: Red Mamba---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

Mr. Mamba... You need to read a little moto history bro.

Seems like you are trying to belittle the accomplishments of Everts...
The guy is a great champion that's been VERY good for the sport.

Abusolutely he is a great champ over in europe without doubt after beating every rider in europe, but since i've never seen him race and dont have a chance to watch european races, after reading and admiring his acomplishments, iam just trying to size him up with the greatest riders of today and see where he ranks.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Yes, there are 2 maybe 3 guys on the planet that are faster.
1 that has won more championships.

I'd guess Mr. Everts will sleep well in his retirement.

Posted by: JST122---------------------

Everts is certainly one of the top guys of all time but Racing in Europe is different than Racing in America the best of the best choose to come to the U.S. to race for this reason. Everts had actually planned to come and race in the US in the 90's but was injured the year he planned to make the trip across the pond and then it just never came about.

KW has beaten Everts on several occasions as well as this year at MXDN in the third race with combined MX1 and Open classes. So that provides atleast some benchmark for the Everts-RC comparison.

Everts is a legend for what he has accomplished and will definitely go down as one of the all time greats, probably top 10 in the world but realistically there has never been a motocrosser quite like RC he races the best and wins consistently

Posted by: muddy226---------------------

Everyone has beaten everyone else at some time or other, I well remember Seb Tortelli beating RC, as I remember one James Dobb leading RC at a MXDN until the last corner when he was only denied victory by mechanical failure. As previously, I think RC v Everts at his peak would be interesting, with RC being the likely winner over the season. They are both great champions, and maybe Stewart will be one day as well, but for the moment he is still up and coming. FWIW I think he's faster than either of the above, but he's still got to prove himself over a season to be above the other two in my book.

Posted by: D Lafleur---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chili

He also decided after the GP season in 2003 to head over to the ISDE for ****s and giggles and won one of if not the most demanding Enduro event in the world on his first attempt.

Oh you talking about that six day motocross event they had in Brazil? For what its worth, Everts couldnt beat Saliman, Merriman or any of the other top riders in an Enduro event. The Brazil ISDE was a test in a whooped out sand track. There were no Enduro type test sectionsHMMMM.

I respect Everts as a motocrosser, but ISDE champion, not on my top 10 list.

Posted by: Jon K.---------------------

Stefan's dad twarn't no slouch neither.

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Bob Hannah could win every 2006 Motocross and Supercross Championship riding his bike backwards while drinking a Stroh's and shooting himself in the eye repeatedly with a strobe light.

Take that to the bank.

Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

KW has beat Everts a few times but would no way beat him over a season, lets get real???? And reed was 2nd to Everts on Reeds last season in gps-Everts was just as many points ahead as RC is over Reed.

BUT Everts could never match the raw speed of RC or Bubba or Rcs consistancy.

IMO at the moment no MX rider comes close to Everts bar RC who is faster and more consistant and thats a massive achievement.

Posted by: Chili---------------------

Marcus, I had a hard time finding GP results but didn't Reed get beat by Pichon his last season? The only results I could find had Everts in the 500 class that season (2000) I believe it was.

Posted by: BunduBasher---------------------

Show me RC's world Championship titles -

- when last did we have a US World Champ .... long time eh !!!

there is a big difference between running a single race and running a season - just as the Euros struggle comming over here to race, US racers have a hard time of it running a full season over there - being a champ either side of the pond is a huge achievement !!

Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chili

Marcus, I had a hard time finding GP results but didn't Reed get beat by Pichon his last season? The only results I could find had Everts in the 500 class that season (2000) I believe it was.

Could be right??? i knew Reed edged out Crockard at the end of the season for a 2nd place, thought it was Everts but could be Pichon.

Posted by: Masterphil---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by XRpredator

Bob Hannah could win every 2006 Motocross and Supercross Championship riding his bike backwards while drinking a Stroh's and shooting himself in the eye repeatedly with a strobe light.

Take that to the bank.

And here comes the Pred out from left field...

Bob Hannah was the man back when motocross was a man's only sport. No doubt Everts is one of the best, but european motocross is a much different motocross than we have here.

Posted by: dante---------------------

RC and Bubba may be faster today, but it does'nt change the fact that Everts is also a multiable champion, and holds many many records... It's like comparing apples to oranges, except the orange is no longer as fresh as the apple; clearly... Also the huge differences in the Euro series, compaired to USA... Basically It does'nt matter... I have a race on tape of Everts winning three classes in one day... It's just incredable... I guess I feel that it's disrespectful to Everts to make such comparisions...

Posted by: Jon K.---------------------

So, if a guy could win a couple of european titles, plus a few AMA titles; would he be more qualified to be the GOAT than Everts?

For instance; if a guy could win all of the below;

125 World Motocross Champion
250 World Motocross Champion
AMA 250 Supercross Champion
AMA 250 National Champion
AMA 500 National Champion

And how much weight should be given to longivity. To be great, how much does the length of a career reflect on the greatness of the rider?

Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

Ricky is the best/fastest rider of all time, and Everts is the 2nd best, all the others are not even close apart from maybe MC?? for his SX titles but thats not a rounded career......

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon K.

So, if a guy could win a couple of european titles, plus a few AMA titles; would he be more qualified to be the GOAT than Everts?

For instance; if a guy could win all of the below;

125 World Motocross Champion
250 World Motocross Champion
AMA 250 Supercross Champion
AMA 250 National Champion
AMA 500 National Champion

And how much weight should be given to longivity. To be great, how much does the length of a career reflect on the greatness of the rider?

JMB was a flash in the pan, and in the right place at the right time. Could he have continued? We'll never know.

And the GOAT thing is played out. Can we STOP? Please?

Posted by: dante---------------------

Mr Everts himself has said Rickey is faster... But it does'nt change his 9 MX titles & 87 wins... and multiple MXDN wins as well... Everts also won the Beligum National Title several times... You might laugh "the belgun title" but let me tell you those guys in Beligum live to ride, and allot of fast guys come from Beligum... So it is what it is... Both Rickey and Everts are great... They are both the "Goat's" from oppsite sides of the pond... Everts does'nt have anything more to prove... He's a great champion, and deserves our respect... He's also at least ten years older than Rickey... Also as time goes by the pace increses... Of course Rickey is faster than Everts today, Rickey's faster than everyone today... The racing is always getting faster every year... So I think it's pointless to make these compairisions... Like Could Hannah smoke Rickey today if he was 21, or whatever... At least they are both AMA guys... I have to admit it's fun to toss these ideas around, but it does'nt work with AMA, and world GP guys... They are too different in my humble internet bum opinion...

Posted by: Jon K.---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by XRpredator

JMB was a flash in the pan, and in the right place at the right time. Could he have continued? We'll never know.

And the GOAT thing is played out. Can we STOP? Please?

Gee Pred; this is a GOAT thread!! Whatcha doin' in here if you feel that way?

I still like Robert as Goat. But I have a certain criteria that might not match up with everyone else's.

Posted by: JMD---------------------

Jon K, Joel is my favorite rider, too. He was the most stylish, flashiest rider ever, including Stewart, and six 250 GP titles against major competition. Started out as just a kid on his own in the GPs, paid his dues, and achieved greatness with hard work, character, and talent.

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMD

Jon K, Joel is my favorite rider, too. He was the most stylish, flashiest rider ever, including Stewart, and six 250 GP titles against major competition. Started out as just a kid on his own in the GPs, paid his dues, and achieved greatness with hard work, character, and talent.

All while drinking a six pack of beer and lighting up two packs of smokes.

Posted by: JMD---------------------

Yeah, to Joel, training was switching to the short cans and filtered smokes. He didn't deny himself much in the way of food, either. But he was fast.

Posted by: Gibbsy---------------------

Lets put a few things straight,everts is 33 years old and still winning championships,you shouldn't be trying to compare him to rc and bubba there a whole new era in motox,whats rc, like mid 20's or something.Everts is a legand who for my mind more than proved himsef against the best US guys,when kdub beat him in the us everts had been back from injury for two races and he still beat him in the first race.In his prime theres no question he would of cleaned up a couple of outdoor championships.A better comparison would be guys like doug henry,jeff emig,mcgrath,dowdy and those guys.I seem toremember as a kid at the 98 desnations on a muddy foxhills track in the uk seeing henry dowd and charmichael(i'll let rc off cos he was only 17)get lapped TWICE .

Posted by: dante---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gibbsy

Lets put a few things straight,everts is 33 years old and still winning championships,you shouldn't be trying to compare him to rc and bubba there a whole new era in motox,whats rc, like mid 20's or something.Everts is a legand who for my mind more than proved himsef against the best US guys,when kdub beat him in the us everts had been back from injury for two races and he still beat him in the first race.In his prime theres no question he would of cleaned up a couple of outdoor championships.A better comparison would be guys like doug henry,jeff emig,mcgrath,dowdy and those guys.I seem toremember as a kid at the 98 desnations on a muddy foxhills track in the uk seeing henry dowd and charmichael(i'll let rc off cos he was only 17)get lapped TWICE .

Posted by: James---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcusgunby

KW has beat Everts a few times but would no way beat him over a season, lets get real???? And reed was 2nd to Everts on Reeds last season in gps-Everts was just as many points ahead as RC is over Reed.

BUT Everts could never match the raw speed of RC or Bubba or Rcs consistancy.

IMO at the moment no MX rider comes close to Everts bar RC who is faster and more consistant and thats a massive achievement.

Reed has obviously improved since he came to the US so I am not sure that is even a valid point.

I have no doubt that Windham could have beat Everts over a season for several seasons if he had decided to race the GPs.

Posted by: Jon K.---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by James

Phhht!!! Windham couldn't beat Greg Albertine over an entire season.

Posted by: HiG4s---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gibbsy

RC is 26,, Bubba is 20. there is almost as much difference between Bubba and RC as between RC and Everts..

So if trying to compare Everts to RC is a whole new era, then comparing RC to Bubba is a whole new era also, and RC is still beating Bubba.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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RC to Bubba is a whole new era also, and RC is still beating Bubba.

AMA points, yes. World points, no. Head to head wins? JS 8, RC 6. "RC can still beat Bubba" is more accurate

Posted by: Jon K.---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by HiG4s

I just can't leave this one alone.

The difference between 20 and 26 in negligible. Heck, the maturity that comes with 26 is a good thing.

The difference between 26 and 33 is best measured in dog years. After 33 it should be measured in goldfish years.

Posted by: James---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon K.

Phhht!!! Windham couldn't beat Greg Albertine over an entire season.

Phhht Yourself!!!

Windham has proven to be quite consistent outdoors. Finished 2nd in the points 4 times (once behind Albertyne and three behind Carmichael), 3rd twice, and 8th in his first year on the 250s.

We all know Carmichael owns Everts, so at best, Everts would have been racing Windham for second over most of the past 6 years. Windham has beaten Everts several times. He also had 4 wins compared to Alby's three in 99. So speed is not the issue and he is also consistent enough in my opinion. Obviously there is no way to prove it either way, but its entirely possible.

Posted by: Jon K.---------------------

[QUOTE=James]Phhht Yourself!!!

Yeah? Yeah?!? You talkin' to me??

Well phhht you too!!!!!

Yes, Winham is consistent. Consistently second. Possibly the greatest loser we have ever had.

Ok, ok, now I'm just trolling.

But to compare Winham and Everts . . . . . well day-yum; Everts has a pocketful of world titles. Kevin has a 125 title and a pocketful of seconds.

Don't get me wrong, I am not a Windham hater. Heck, I watched the kid come up on our local tracks. He is a friend and neigbor.

Posted by: James---------------------

If you read again, you'll see I already considered your point...but I'll restate it once more...since you aint figurin out who I am talkin too..

He has been second to WHO for the most part...Carmichael. If Everts had thrown his hat into the ring over here...the BEST he could have hoped for would be racing for second with Windham/Reed/Tortelli. If it weren't for RC, Windham would have at least 3 AMA outdoor titles. Far from a loser...trolling or not. So I figure he can go across the pond and give him a run over there.

I don't want you to hate him or like him...I am just trying to introduce a little logic. It may be faulty logic but I'll never admit it.

PEACE

Posted by: HiG4s---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon K.

I just can't leave this one alone.

Maybe for you, how old are you?

And how is it Larocco's finished better in SX the years he was 28, 29, 30, and 33 then when he was 25, 26 or 27?

And I have to agree with the other post, in US SX or MX Everts would never have finished better than 2nd.

Posted by: nephron---------------------

The most successful marathon runners are in their 30's. Why? Peak physical capability for males is 30. 'Course, leaves out cumulative injury, doesn't it? But if you could stay healthy, like RC seems to do......I hope he races until his hands fall off.

Posted by: Jon K.---------------------

[QUOTE=HiG4s]Maybe for you, how old are you?

And how is it Larocco's finished better in SX the years he was 28, 29, 30, and 33 then when he was 25, 26 or 27?

QUOTE]

I'm 50.

My hands fell off when I was 42.

I held up pretty good until I hit 38 or so, but to compare mere humans with Larocco, Bubs, KW, RC, ect, is ludicrous.

Marathon runners. What a bunch of wusses.

Admittedly, some guys have held up way better than me.

Freaks. I hate them.

Posted by: HiG4s---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon K

I'm 50.

My hands fell off when I was 42.

I held up pretty good until I hit 38 or so, but to compare mere humans with Larocco, Bubs, KW, RC, ect, is ludicrous.

Marathon runners. What a bunch of wusses.

Admittedly, some guys have held up way better than me.

Freaks. I hate them.

I'm 49, and that is my point exactly,, we aren't comparing us mere mortals to these great athletes.. we are comparing another great athlete..

I remember way back in my early 30s, when I tore my hamstring. I couldn't ride or play on my baskeball league for 6 months and wasn't back to normal for a year.. Jordan had the same injury and was back on the court in 3 or 4 weeks and was back to scoring over 40 a game by the playoffs a few months later.. Sure he was 6 years younger than me, but I don't believe that has much to do with why he recovered so fast.

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