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SPOILER Seattle SX 2006
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Posted by: Tony Williams---------------------

Ok, first I got a question. Why 12 lap Lites, and 15 lap SX ??

Posted by: Tony Williams---------------------

1 8 Grant Langston Clermont, FL 25 Kawasaki KX250F
2 51 Ryan D Villopoto Poulsbo, WA 22 Kawasaki KX250F
3 338 Jason D Lawrence Murrieta, CA 20 Suzuki RMZ250
4 123 Brett Metcalfe Murrieta, CA 18 Yamaha YZ250F
5 800 Mike A Alessi Victorville, CA 16 KTM 250SXF
6 82 Ryan Morais Temecula, CA 15 Suzuki RMZ250
7 132 Billy R Laninovich Lake Elsinore, CA 14 Honda CRF250R
8 29 Andrew T Short Murrieta, CA 13 Honda CRF250R
9 40 Ryan Mills Clintondale, NY 12 Suzuki RMZ250
10 407 Adam B Chatfield Madisonville, TX 11 Suzuki RMZ250 -
11 144 Kyle Partridge Las Vegas, NV 10 Yamaha YZ250F
12 114 Justin D Brayton Fort Dodge, IA 9 Yamaha YZ250F
13 74 Ryan J Abrigo Snohomish, WA 8 Honda CRF250R
14 76 Rodrig Thain Temecula, CA 7 Kawasaki KX250F
15 33 Danny L Smith Middleton, ID 6 Honda CRF250R
16 89 Eric Nye Corning, CA 5 Yamaha YZ250F
17 539 Richard A Dietrich Snohomish, WA 4 Kawasaki KX250
18 252 Justin F Keeney Lebanon, OR 3 Honda CRF250R
19 917 Eric Sorby Lake Elsinore, CA 2 Honda CRF250R
20 330 Darcy G Lange San Jacinto, CA 1 Kawasaki KX250F
21 86 Daniel Sani Clovis, CA 0 Honda CRF250R
22 25 Nathan Ramsey Menifee, CA 0 KTM 250SXF

Posted by: Tony Williams---------------------

1 161 G. Langston 18 (4) 20 (3) 25 (1) 6 (15) 25 (1) 22 (2) 20 (3) 25 (1)
2 153 A. Short 25 (1) 16 (5) 22 (2) 8 (13) 22 (2) 25 (1) 22 (2) 13 (8)
3 141 R. Villopoto 22 (2) 18 (4) 9 (12) 15 (6) 14 (7) 16 (5) 25 (1) 22 (2)
4 129 M. Alessi 12 (9) 11 (10) 14 (7) 20 (3) 20 (3) 18 (4) 18 (4) 16 (5)
5 125 B. Laninovich 20 (3) 22 (2) 18 (4) 14 (7) 15 (6) 10 (11) 12 (9) 14 (7)
6 116 N. Ramsey 9 (12) 25 (1) 20 (3) 25 (1) 8 (13) 20 (3) 9 (12) 0 (22)
7 116 B. Metcalfe 13 (8) 12 (9) 13 (8) 22 (2) 16 (5) 15 (6) 7 (14) 18 (4)
8 89 P. Carpenter 15 (6) 14 (7) 7 (14) 13 (8) 18 (4) 11 (10) 11 (10)
9 75 R. Morais 6 (15) 12 (9) 13 (8) 13 (8) 16 (5) 15 (6)
10 64 D. Lange 16 (5) 13 (8) 12 (9) 14 (7) 8 (13) 1 (20)
11 61 J. Lawrence 1 (20) 12 (9) 18 (4) 0 (22) 10 (11) 20 (3)
12 53 J. Brayton 7 (14) 0 (21) 3 (18) 10 (11) 9 (12) 15 (6) 9 (12)
13 52 J. Weimer 14 (7) 10 (11) 15 (6) 1 (20) 12 (9)
14 49 S. Collier 0 (22) 15 (6) 16 (5) 11 (10) 7 (14)
15 47 R. Mills 10 (11) 16 (5) 9 (12) 0 (22) 12 (9)
16 47 E. Sorby 11 (10) 8 (13) 5 (16) 9 (12) 4 (17) 4 (17) 4 (17) 2 (19)
17 34 K. Partridge 4 (17) 7 (14) 1 (20) 10 (11) 2 (19) 0 (21) 10 (11)
18 33 R. Abrigo 0 (22) 7 (14) 5 (16) 13 (8) 8 (13)
19 33 J. Casillas 8 (13) 9 (12) 11 (10) 5 (16)
20 32 M. Sleeter 5 (16) 5 (16) 3 (18) 6 (15) 8 (13) 5 (16)
21 23 J. Keeney 3 (18) 3 (18) 14 (7) 3 (18)
22 20 R. Thain 0 (21) 2 (19) 5 (16) 6 (15) 7 (14)
23 16 E. Nye 8 (13) 0 (22) 2 (19) 1 (20) 5 (16)
24 15 M. Dube 4 (17) 11 (10)
25 13 A. Chatfield 0 (22) 2 (19) 11 (10)
26 13 C. Facciotti 0 (21) 7 (14) 6 (15)
27 12 D. Smith 3 (18) 3 (18) 6 (15)
28 10 A. Mcfarlane 10 (11) 0 (22)
29 9 M. Lapaglia 2 (19) 4 (17) 3 (18)
30 6 J. Dement 6 (15)
31 6 A. Narita 6 (15)
32 4 R. Dietrich 4 (17)
33 4 B. Swapp 4 (17)
34 2 V. Mckiddie 2 (19)
35 2 R. Sipes 2 (19)
36 2 D. Sani 0 (21) 1 (20) 0 (21) 1 (20) 0 (21) 0 (21)
37 1 B. Coisy 1 (20)

Posted by: Tony Williams---------------------

Big bikes........ JS, CR, RC...... 5 points between them going into Las Vegas.

Going into Vegas,
1st is worth 25,
2nd 22
3rd 20

Do the math !!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: rickyd---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Williams

Ok, first I got a question. Why 12 lap Lites, and 15 lap SX ??

Track conditions were muddy, more wear and tear on the rider and bike

Posted by: rickyd---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Williams

Big bikes........ JS, CR, RC...... 5 points between them going into Las Vegas.

Going into Vegas,
1st is worth 25,
2nd 22
3rd 20

Do the math !!!!!!!!!!!!

Stewart needs rc too finish 3rd and CR too finish 4th for both titles

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

That's not going to happen, but .... WHAT A SEASON!
5 points from 1st to 3rd? Never happened.
We are lucky. Very lucky.

Posted by: rickyd---------------------

anything is possible at this point, i never would of thought CR would be tied for 1st this late in the series

Posted by: Thump---------------------

If JBS wins Vegas and RC gets 2nd and Reed 3rd RC will win the title JBS and CR tie for second but it goes to James because he has more wins.

If JBS wins Vegas and Reed gets 2nd and RC 3rd Reed will win the title JBS and RC tie for second but it goes to James because he has more wins.

I hope it goes JBS 1st, RC 2nd and Reed 3rd. I would hate to see RC get 3rd place on the season. He has earned a lot more than Reed this year. Seriously, can you imagine Reed winning the title with only 2 wins on the season? And both of the wins were gifted to him when both RC and Stewart went down...

Posted by: Mxrider26x---------------------

chad didnt make the mistakes and if he wins the championship he deserves it just as much as rc does if he wins it. u cant just down a guy like that. they all deserve it for different reasons. all u guys do is have a one sided view that rc is god and james is alright and chads just bad. just think about it chad is slower but not a bad racer. he stayed consistant

and really how can u think so highly of a guy who threw such a bitch fit about that fuel situation and actually threatened to leave the sport not caring about anyone or his fans. that was bull****.

Posted by: Thump---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mxrider26x

chad didnt make the mistakes and if he wins the championship he deserves it just as much as rc does if he wins it. u cant just down a guy like that. they all deserve it for different reasons. all u guys do is have a one sided view that rc is god and james is alright and chads just bad. just think about it chad is slower but not a bad racer. he stayed consistant

and really how can u think so highly of a guy who threw such a bitch fit about that fuel situation and actually threatened to leave the sport not caring about anyone or his fans. that was bull****.

Actually I think James is moto God and RC is great. Chad is good but not at the same level as either of the guys. Yes he was more consistent but why? RC had a bike malfunction and DNF'd a race. James bike stalls and can't get it fired and finishes 18th. The only other time Reed has beaten either of them is Dallas when both crashed and so far this season he has not been able to pass either one of them but they have gone by him plenty of times. Chad is a great rider, don't get me wrong, I just think he is a in a class of his own. What I mean by that is JBS and RC are on another planet when it comes to speed. Reed is all alone in 3rd because 4th place and down are no where near him but he is no where near the top 2. Case in point, in all but 2 of the races this year he finishes 15 or more seconds behind first. This is his lucky year for sure.

Posted by: Mxrider26x---------------------

yeah man ill go with that but i feel next year it will be different there was once a time when chad was faster than rc and it changed but i think he will be pissed about his year and he will try to improve just because of the fact that he was always in the "top 3" but in reality he wasnt but actually it probably wont even matter anymore i feel that from here on out jbs is the man rc wont touch him and even in outdoors. its not like jbs was going all out speed in the stadiums because nobody does that. once we get into the free space of the outdoors i truly think hell take rc and from here on out hese the guy

Posted by: Tony Williams---------------------

1 7 James M Stewart Haines City, FL 25 Kawasaki KX450F
2 22 Chad Reed Tampa, FL 22 Yamaha YZ450F
3 4 Ricky Carmichael Havana, FL 20 Suzuki RM-Z450
4 11 Travis A Preston Hesperia, CA 18 Honda CRF450R
5 27 Nicholas A Wey Dewitt, MI 16 Honda CRF450R
6 26 Michael Byrne Menifee, CA 15 Kawasaki KX450F
7 9 Ivan Tedesco Murrieta, CA 14 Suzuki RM-Z450
8 14 Kevin W Windham Centreville, MS 13 Honda CRF450R
9 18 Brock Sellards Sherrodsville, OH 12 Honda CRF450R
11 70 Jiri Dostal Temecula, CA 10 Yamaha YZ450F
12 686 Josh R Demuth Grapevine, TX 9 Honda CRF450R
13 337 Jacob Marsack Allenton, MI 8 Yamaha YZ450F
14 56 Joshua P Woods Flint, MI 7 Suzuki RMZ250
15 23 Kyle Lewis Henderson, NV 6 Honda CRF450R
16 90 Doug Dehaan Thorndale, ON 5 Honda CRF450R
17 38 Jeff Dement Kingwood, TX 4 Suzuki RM-Z450 K`s
18 31 Jason W Thomas Melrose, FL 3 Honda CRF450R
19 153 Gregory M Crater Renton, WA 2 Honda CRF450R
20 48 Jeff Gibson Blacklick, OH 1 Honda CRF450R

Posted by: Tony Williams---------------------

1 316 R. Carmichael 20 (3) 25 (1) 25 (1) 22 (2) 25 (1) 22 (2) 1 (20) 25 (1) 25 (1) 25 (1) 22 (2) 22 (2) 22 (2) 15 (6) 20 (3)
2 316 C. Reed 22 (2) 22 (2) 22 (2) 16 (5) 22 (2) 20 (3) 25 (1) 22 (2) 20 (3) 22 (2) 16 (5) 20 (3) 20 (3) 25 (1) 22 (2)
3 311 J. Stewart 25 (1) 20 (3) 20 (3) 25 (1) 13 (8) 25 (1) 4 (17) 20 (3) 22 (2) 15 (6) 25 (1) 25 (1) 25 (1) 22 (2) 25 (1)
4 241 I. Tedesco 16 (5) 12 (9) 18 (4) 5 (16) 20 (3) 15 (6) 22 (2) 18 (4) 18 (4) 14 (7) 18 (4) 18 (4) 15 (6) 18 (4) 14 (7)
5 234 N. Wey 14 (7) 16 (5) 11 (10) 20 (3) 11 (10) 13 (8) 18 (4) 14 (7) 16 (5) 16 (5) 20 (3) 16 (5) 13 (8) 20 (3) 16 (5)
6 228 M. Byrne 12 (9) 15 (6) 13 (8) 18 (4) 16 (5) 14 (7) 15 (6) 15 (6) 14 (7) 20 (3) 14 (7) 15 (6) 16 (5) 16 (5) 15 (6)
7 191 T. Preston 13 (8) 10 (11) 10 (11) 14 (7) 15 (6) 1 (20) 16 (5) 11 (10) 13 (8) 18 (4) 15 (6) 10 (11) 14 (7) 13 (8) 18 (4)
8 125 E. Fonseca 15 (6) 14 (7) 15 (6) 4 (17) 14 (7) 12 (9) 20 (3) 16 (5) 15 (6)
9 116 R. Clark 5 (16) 8 (13) 8 (13) 12 (9) 8 (13) 12 (9) 12 (9) 3 (18) 8 (13) 4 (17) 14 (7) 11 (10) 11 (10)
10 108 M. Larocco 18 (4) 13 (8) 14 (7) 10 (11) 18 (4) 16 (5) 6 (15) 13 (8)
11 108 T. Ferry 6 (15) 2 (19) 9 (12) 10 (11) 13 (8) 6 (15) 12 (9) 13 (8) 13 (8) 12 (9) 12 (9)
12 99 J. Thomas 3 (18) 4 (17) 7 (14) 11 (10) 6 (15) 5 (16) 11 (10) 10 (11) 9 (12) 2 (19) 11 (10) 7 (14) 10 (11) 3 (18)
13 94 J. Gibson 7 (14) 9 (12) 4 (17) 13 (8) 8 (13) 10 (11) 8 (13) 11 (10) 1 (20) 10 (11) 3 (18) 2 (19) 7 (14) 1 (20)
14 68 T. Evans 2 (19) 6 (15) 15 (6) 1 (20) 4 (17) 8 (13) 10 (11) 6 (15) 7 (14) 3 (18) 6 (15)
15 67 J. Mcgrath 10 (11) 18 (4) 16 (5) 5 (16) 18 (4)
16 66 K. Windham 12 (9) 9 (12) 18 (4) 14 (7) 13 (8)
17 63 M. Brown 9 (12) 5 (16) 1 (20) 14 (7) 9 (12) 2 (19) 6 (15) 6 (15) 5 (16) 6 (15)
18 63 H. Voss 1 (20) 10 (11) 7 (14) 11 (10) 7 (14) 7 (14) 9 (12) 11 (10)
19 61 J. Dement 3 (18) 7 (14) 7 (14) 2 (19) 2 (19) 3 (18) 9 (12) 10 (11) 11 (10) 3 (18) 4 (17)
20 56 D. Vuillemin 11 (10) 11 (10) 12 (9) 1 (20) 12 (9) 3 (18) 1 (20) 5 (16)
21 47 K. Lewis 8 (13) 3 (18) 3 (18) 9 (12) 9 (12) 5 (16) 4 (17) 6 (15)
22 46 E. Vallejo 2 (19) 3 (18) 2 (19) 11 (10) 4 (17) 8 (13) 6 (15) 10 (11)
23 42 B. Sellards 2 (19) 8 (13) 5 (16) 2 (19) 8 (13) 5 (16) 12 (9)
24 41 J. Dostal 7 (14) 3 (18) 8 (13) 5 (16) 8 (13) 10 (11)
25 37 C. Stiles 4 (17) 7 (14) 9 (12) 6 (15) 7 (14) 4 (17)
26 35 B. Laninovich 12 (9) 1 (20) 13 (8) 9 (12)
27 30 J. Saylor 9 (12) 2 (19) 3 (18) 4 (17) 2 (19) 9 (12) 1 (20)
28 21 J. Demuth 12 (9) 9 (12)
29 16 J. Marsack 8 (13) 8 (13)
30 14 D. Dehaan 6 (15) 3 (18) 5 (16)
31 12 M. Young 7 (14) 5 (16)
32 11 J. Buckelew 6 (15) 5 (16)
33 11 C. Siebler 5 (16) 4 (17) 2 (19)
34 8 K. Johnson 4 (17) 4 (17)
35 7 J. Woods 7 (14)
36 2 G. Crater 2 (19)
37 2 R. Reynard 1 (20) 1 (20)
38 1 I. Johnson 1 (20)
39 1 J. Keeney 1 (20)

Posted by: Red Mamba---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mxrider26x

I think Reed is a good enough rider who didn't have to extend his injury to a grade 3separation, which has cost him credibility to the racing world, i would care less if he wins the championship, he is a true liar and a whiner

I lost respect for him. As far as the championship is concerned, i will give away the AMA title to Ricky, James 2nd but wins the world title and Ricky 2nd, Reed gets in the record book as the first racer to complete a sx season with a grade 3 shoulder dislocation.

Posted by: splatt---------------------

All that I can say despite the lousy weather it was one hell of a race. The best was the SX heat one with CR, KW and JS going bar to bar for about three laps.

Steve

Posted by: pace---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mxrider26x

there was once a time when chad was faster than rc

..maybe when they were both in diapers?

At best, Chad has been able to match RC's pace on occasion. I think the bottom line is that JS raised the bar this year, and while RC has been able to get close to his absolute speed, Chad has bumbled along at last years pace for most of the season.

I personally do not feel that Chad deserves the championship, but points are what counts not how you got 'em. Unfortunately, all he has to do is beat RC in 'Vegas.. It wouldn't be the first time a professional motorsports athlete has been gifted a championship.

Posted by: motodawg---------------------

Stewart Wins in Seattle, Three-way Battle Heads to Vegas
http://www.speedtv.com/articles/sup...oss/moto/23276/

James Stewart, of Haines City, Fla., jumped out front on the opening lap and began running away from the field. Yamaha’s Chad Reed held down second place as the attention turned to Suzuki’s Ricky Carmichael, who was struggling through the pack after a 10th place start.

With Stewart cruising to victory and Reed secured in second, Carmichael dug deep and fought his way to third, saving his season and keeping alive his title hopes. With the series finale set for May 6 in Las Vegas, Carmichael is tied for the AMA Supercross Series points race with Reed. Stewart is just five points behind in third. Stewart stretched his lead to 12 points over Carmichael in the Amp’d Mobile World Supercross GP.

Tonight's race will air on CBS SPORTS on Sunday, April 30, 2006 at 12:30 p.m. EST. A tape-delayed, one-hour television broadcast of the AMA Supercross Lites racing will air on SPEED on Saturday, May 6, at 7:30 p.m. EST.

Posted by: zcookie49---------------------

wtf, "doesnt deserve to win the championship"??????
granted Chad hasnt been the fastest rider, but just being tied for first place deserves him credit right now. He continued to ride his races, if lady luck was there sometimes for him, oh well, he had put himself in the position to capitilize...
.
What happened to Hot sauce the past month or so? Is he fading out as the season went on?

Posted by: rickyd---------------------

So if RC does win it all, should there be an asterisk next too his title due too the fuel bs??

Posted by: rickyd---------------------

Did i hear right?? RC just signed a multi year contract w/Suzuki??

Posted by: muddy226---------------------

Its quite clear that the rider with the most points at the end of the season deserves to win the title, although that rider may not necessarily be the fastest. As I've said before, Reed has shown that he has the skill required to go really fast without falling down. If a rider falls off and therefore does not win the championship it merely points to a lack of judgement or skill, unless of course there are mechanical problems or other reasons outside the riders control. For Reed to be where he is with all the problems he's had makes him a top bloke in my book, of course the others may have had serious problems as well and just not mentioned them!!!!!!!

Posted by: SpDyKen---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickyd

Did i hear right?? RC just signed a multi year contract w/Suzuki??

I heard that too. Is it true or did the dynamic duo mis-speak? I suppose we'll find out eventually.

Posted by: Mxrider26x---------------------

look they all deserve it whoever wins does deserve it and u cant say that chad is the luckiest. he has been lucky but he is in no way lucky then rc. rc will run off the track and miss the boat or a tuff block. he has been so lucky his whole career. they are all great riders and for different reasons but really whoever wins deserves it.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mxrider26x

look they all deserve it whoever wins does deserve it and u cant say that chad is the luckiest. he has been lucky but he is in no way lucky then rc. rc will run off the track and miss the boat or a tuff block. he has been so lucky his whole career. they are all great riders and for different reasons but really whoever wins deserves it.

There's no doubt RC has got to be the "luckiest" out there when it comes to saves ... his venture off the track in Seattle was just another in a long line of "how did he not fall?!" The title was SO close to being over. Amazing.

Posted by: Red Mamba---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickyd

Did i hear right?? RC just signed a multi year contract w/Suzuki??

That's all

, i wonder who got N wey ,

Posted by: HiG4s---------------------

opps

Posted by: rickyd---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Mamba

That's all

, i wonder who got N wey ,

I hear Yamaha wants him and Reed possibly forming his own team on Red bikes

Posted by: nick545---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickyd

I hear Yamaha wants him and Reed possibly forming his own team on Red bikes

yeah I heard that today on tv.. But I hope he stays with yamaha

Posted by: rickyd---------------------

Okay, I gotta pick up the pace here: On to silly season. James Stewart’s signing caught a lot of us here by surprise, but anyone who’s seen how well he rides the KX450F must have been thinking that was his best bet for the future. That throws open a lot of doors for other riders, and the hot rumor now is Chad Reed and Nathan Ramsey doing their own deal, with a well-known current team manager, on red bikes. And Nick Wey and Yamaha, with Broc Hepler as his teammate – and Josh Hill as the young understudy—is also getting play. Team Kawasaki has Stewart, and they might be adding Grant Langston, though if Mitch does a 450 team finally, that’s where GL wants to be.

Posted by: Red Mamba---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickyd

Okay, I gotta pick up the pace here: On to silly season. James Stewart’s signing caught a lot of us here by surprise, but anyone who’s seen how well he rides the KX450F must have been thinking that was his best bet for the future. That throws open a lot of doors for other riders, and the hot rumor now is Chad Reed and Nathan Ramsey doing their own deal, with a well-known current team manager, on red bikes. And Nick Wey and Yamaha, with Broc Hepler as his teammate – and Josh Hill as the young understudy—is also getting play. Team Kawasaki has Stewart, and they might be adding Grant Langston, though if Mitch does a 450 team finally, that’s where GL wants to be.

I wouldn't be surprised if Honda trys to go after Langston. Is Millsaps riding big bikes next season ?

Posted by: justice29---------------------

Hopefully RC or James will win and we won't worry about Reed "winning" the title.

Posted by: Ando400---------------------

You lot are a hard crowd to please. First up I am a fan of Chad, mainly because he's an Aussie.
Proclaiming that he doesn't deserve the title is a bit rich. I agree that he mostly hasn't been able to run the pace of Stewart or Carmichael for most of the season, but he has had more podium finishes, fewer poor results, and (probably) crashed fewer times.

If I was the other two I would be mighty pissed off that the season is this close. To be clearly faster than the third guy, and be tied in points with one race to go shows poor strategy in my mind.

Posted by: TheGrinch---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ando400

You lot are a hard crowd to please. First up I am a fan of Chad, mainly because he's an Aussie.
Proclaiming that he doesn't deserve the title is a bit rich. I agree that he mostly hasn't been able to run the pace of Stewart or Carmichael for most of the season, but he has had more podium finishes, fewer poor results, and (probably) crashed fewer times.

Exactly!

He has had more podium finishes, fewer poor results, and crashed fewer times. That my friends makes him a better rider. Not the fastest rider, but a better rider.

Posted by: Mxrider26x---------------------

ando and grinch... thankyou i was starting to feel like im the only guy around here who doesnt have so much fun bashing chad

Posted by: karterron---------------------

IF Reed wins it he deserves it. Same things were said a few years back when Matt Kenseth won the Nascar title without a win the entire season. You can't fault them for playing by the rules, running conservative so as not to crash and podium every time. If Reed wins, he did what it took to win.

With that said, I hope like hell that whining crybaby finishes 3rd. I think RC will do what it takes to at least finish 2nd in Lost Wages and win the title.

Posted by: YamaB---------------------

Chad has been consistent all year and fully deserves the championship... If you gave the title to the fastest rider, JBS would win it by a country mile... How many wins does RC have this year when JBS didn't go down?? So if RC wins the title, is it just because he was lucky?? Any RC fan that says that about Reed needs to look in the mirror...

It looks like JBS will be a long shot as it would take both Reed and RC finishing out of the top 3 for him to win... Not very likely...

Posted by: HiG4s---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by YamaB

Chad has been consistent all year and fully deserves the championship... If you gave the title to the fastest rider, JBS would win it by a country mile... How many wins does RC have this year when JBS didn't go down?? So if RC wins the title, is it just because he was lucky?? Any RC fan that says that about Reed needs to look in the mirror...

It looks like JBS will be a long shot as it would take both Reed and RC finishing out of the top 3 for him to win... Not very likely...

If JBS wins, I believe that if both RC and CR finish 3rd or back JBS wins because JBS has more wins he takes the tie... So if RC and CR battling for 2nd, screw up and let someone else get in 2nd, I think JBS wins it. Because of the tie breaker a 1st get JBS 2nd overall no matter what else happens.

Posted by: Red Mamba---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by YamaB

That's why his teamate M Byrne got to stepup and play spoiler in 2nd which is unlikely. I think Reed has no chance over Ricky this time.

Posted by: cnielse5---------------------

Really the race is for 2nd. that is the position to watch. I think stewart is going to pull out the win and that means he will beat out who ever is in 3rd rc or cr. so the question becomes who is in second Reed or Carmicheal.

Good to hear Stewart is staying with Kawasaki, and really glad to here RC is resigned with suzuki. I am not sure how to feel about Reed doing a satellite team no matter what bike he is on. If Nick Wey doesn't get a factory ride after this year it is a great injustice. I am geeked about Millsaps on a 450. I think we will see him on it outdoors and for sure next year indoor (due to points). Millsaps will take fonseca's spot on the factory honda team. I am hoping tedesco has more riding time with RC.

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by cnielse5

Millsaps will take fonseca's spot on the factory honda team.

Millsaps is alreayd on the factory Honda team. They hired him this year with the plan to put him on a 450 next year.

Posted by: Micahdawg---------------------

“Chad is good but not at the same level as either of the guys. Yes he was more consistent but why? RC had a bike malfunction and DNF'd a race. James bike stalls and can't get it fired and finishes 18th.”

Oh, you mean when RC let go of the bars in the whoop section, went end over end, and then in the main his shock mount broke? I’m sure his “oppsie” in the whoops had nothing to do with his mechanical DNF. And Bubba’s bike stalling…you mean after he ate it? Again, just two examples of botched opportunities from RC and Bubba that could have cost them the championship. Reed stays at a comfortable safe pace and he gets no credit for consistency though? Whatever.

Also, you want to talk about a gift…how about AMA docking RC 25 points, then giving them back. What bullsh*t that was. First, AMA never should have docked him the points. It was a stupid call. But Second….AMA should have stuck by their decision. When they docked Reed and Bubba in years past, they never go to buy their points back for $10,000. So don’t say anything about RC and Bubba not being able to keep it together on the track…and that being the ultimate gift to Reed.

Plain and simple…RC and JBS chose all out speed to win the championship. Reed chose consistency and not riding over his limits. Whoever wins the championship obviously had the best gameplan.

Micah

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:

Reed stays at a comfortable safe pace and he gets no credit for consistency though? Whatever.

A likely scenario? They finish pretty much the same as the whole year... JS, RC, CR. So yeah ... consistancy does pay.. if JS and CR tie? JS wins due to CONSISTANTLY beating Chad and more so than the other two, consistanly winning... not by consistantly riding behind and hoping for the best.

Posted by: Micahdawg---------------------

If -your- choice is ride within your limits and hope for the best, or ride over your limits and maybe break your neck....which one would you pick?

I also think it's funny that nearly everyone is banking on JBS winning Vegas. JBS only wins when there is no pressure. I think we'll see the old bubba who eats it at the first turn and plays catch up the whole race.

RC, we know can handle the pressure. So he's just got to worry about a bad start and/or bad luck.

Reed does worry me though. In the face of this kind of pressure, I'm not so sure he'll be able to ride flawless. We'll see soon enough though. Maybe they'll all take each other out and give Wey the win

Micah

Posted by: cnielse5---------------------

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Originally Posted by XRpredator

Millsaps is alreayd on the factory Honda team. They hired him this year with the plan to put him on a 450 next year.

I meant he was taking EF spot in outdoors this year which was not part of the plan.

Posted by: JMD---------------------

Chad has to beat Ricky, and Ricky has to beat Chad. Doesn't matter what James does, as long as Ricky or Chad finishes second or better and beats the other guy. There are a couple of possibilities. Chad and Ricky may throw caution to the winds and go all-out. If they do, they'll be fast enough to lead the race or chase Stewart all the way around.

But the conservative approach works in individual races the same way it does over an entire season. It may still be smarter to stay within your limits and hope the other guy crashes out. But I honestly doubt that either Chad or Ricky will take this approach -- it's just too risky. They're the kind of guys who, if the were basketball players, would want the ball in their hands in the final seconds. They're going to want to keep their fate in their own hands here, too. Rather than hope the other guy will make a mistake, they'd rather trust their own abilities to hold it together, even at ten tenths speed.

I predict that Chad and Ricky will race hard; they'll give it everything they've got. And they'll be just as fast as Stewart. We'll see that three-way battle for the lead. How cool would it be to see them all swap the lead over and over again, throughout the race, with a last corner pass to win on the last lap? That would be the perfect end of this amazing season. By the way -- my prediction: Ricky will win the race, Bubba will be second, Chad third. Ricky takes the title.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

LOL, it's either going to be the best race in recent history or not ...

I'll go with your call, all three neck and neck, last turn, JS takes out CR and RC with an epic, double take-out block pass, both fall and can't restart. Chad trys to run across the finish line without his bike. Those two finish 5th and 7th.

Posted by: dante---------------------

it's going to awsome that for sure... RC, and james both going at it for 20 laps could spell trouble for both of them, and cause some drama... They both have a way of getting into eachothers heads...
I think Chads current strategy (or a few 10ths of a sec. slower) of hanging back and staying with the front pack could sum up this season pretty well... It could pay off big for him again in Vegas... With the points this close anything could happen...
However RC has been here many times... I'd expect him to have more of a level head... If RC gets a good start I think he'll pull a disappearing act...
It's gonna be a nail biter, heck I'm already biting my nails...i can';t wait

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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However RC has been here many times... I'd expect him to have more of a level head...

Really? How many times has RC gone into the last race without the title wrapped-up?

Posted by: funktree---------------------

hehe good point Okie, now langston has been here a few times.

if Reed ends up winning the championship I hope it's by beating RC head to head in Vegas, that would show that he earned it to me. However that ain't gonna happen, betting against RC just doesn't pay off.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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Originally Posted by funktree

betting against RC just doesn't pay off.

Don't I know it!!

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

this may be the best spoiler / finals showdown bench racing thread ive ever read.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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Originally Posted by funktree

hehe good point Okie, now langston has been here a few times.

Yup, Grant was racing the kids before 4-strokes came back the second time

Posted by: 2-Strokes 4-ever---------------------

Without RC having a win in a while, and the big speed of JS......Ricky has to be thinking "what do I have to do to win?" James hasn't taken a costly fall lately, Chad is riding strong and consistent......the pressure's on for all! I'm thinking.......JS, RC, and Chad.
I feel as though RC's dnf (mechanical) shouldn't be forgotten........but neither should Stewart's speed, of Chad's consistency. The anticipation is exciting, hopin the race isn't a blow-out.
Type III separation........yeah right.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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RC's dnf (mechanical) shouldn't be forgotten

or his fuel penalty, which Chad and JS were NOT given points back... RC threatening to take his toys and go home proved to be the REAL power in the AMA. RC is FOR SURE the boss. Agree with the rule or not, it WAS the rule in place and precedence was set with other riders taking their lumps. Hate to bag on it, but if there was no rule violation, why did it cost Suzuki $20K? The AMA wimps out but still makes a little extra party money for the end of the season?

All that being said and Chad pitching a fit about it, it's great that it comes down to Vegas. We are some seriously lucky fans.

Posted by: karterron---------------------

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Originally Posted by 2-Strokes 4-ever

Without RC having a win in a while, and the big speed of JS......Ricky has to be thinking "what do I have to do to win?" James hasn't taken a costly fall lately, Chad is riding strong and consistent......the pressure's on for all! I'm thinking.......JS, RC, and Chad.
I feel as though RC's dnf (mechanical) shouldn't be forgotten........but neither should Stewart's speed, of Chad's consistency. The anticipation is exciting, hopin the race isn't a blow-out.
Type III separation........yeah right.

All it will take for James to fall is pressure from Ricky. JBS has gotten leads and been able to cruise these last few weeks. James has fallen when the pressure is on, either by RC being close or the pressure of points when RC falls or has a mechanical. When JBS can cruise with no pressure he is fine, any pressure for any reason has resulted in a fall.

Posted by: rickyd---------------------

I watched Stewart and RC battle it out for 12 (i beleive it was 12) laps at San Francisco, RC was on his rear wheel most of the race..

Posted by: Mxrider26x---------------------

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Originally Posted by rickyd

I watched Stewart and RC battle it out for 12 (i beleive it was 12) laps at San Francisco, RC was on his rear wheel most of the race..

yeah i know but that was mud which is kind of an outdoor scenario which benifits ricky. i honestly dont think that chad or ricky can pressure james. both of them dont have the first lap speed and the only way that will happen is if starting around 2 or 3 ricky or chad starts picking it up. i feel that lately chad has been comparable to rc and that james is ahead of both of them by a mile and i feel that in dallas we learned that ricky cant match james anymore

Posted by: TheGrinch---------------------

Do you think with it being this close the racing might get a little dirty? Odds are someone might go down when a block pass is made in desperation during the final laps. It would be a real shame and I hope it doesn't happen, but when you have 3 guys racing for the championship in the final race, the racing could get a little dirtier.

Posted by: Red Mamba---------------------

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Originally Posted by TheGrinch

Do you think with it being this close the racing might get a little dirty? Odds are someone might go down when a block pass is made in desperation during the final laps. It would be a real shame and I hope it doesn't happen, but when you have 3 guys racing for the championship in the final race, the racing could get a little dirtier.

Yeah let it get dirty, i don't see any problem with that

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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All it will take for James to fall is pressure from Ricky

You mean like Dallas where James SMOKED RC in the "hoops" and RC bout ate a boat?

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yeah i know but that was mud which is kind of an outdoor scenario which benifits ricky.

And that of course is why James has spanked RC in the mud races this season? Has RC beat JS in the mud? Nope. RC (or Chad) only beats James if James falls down.

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It would be a real shame and I hope it doesn't happen, but when you have 3 guys racing for the championship in the final race, the racing could get a little dirtier.

No way!

Posted by: Jeff Gilbert---------------------

Maybe Milsaps will ride the 450 and smoke em all

Maybe Thump will race

Posted by: Red Mamba---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Gilbert

Maybe Milsaps will ride the 450 and smoke em all

Maybe Thump will race

Milsaps is gonna share a # 5/6 finish with Langston for a couple years .

Posted by: Mxrider26x---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

You mean like Dallas where James SMOKED RC in the "hoops" and RC bout ate a boat?

And that of course is why James has spanked RC in the mud races this season? Has RC beat JS in the mud? Nope. RC (or Chad) only beats James if James falls down.

No way!

i was just trying to say thats the only reason rc was close is because it was kind of like outdorrs but all im saying is rc cant match james and all the rc fans are hippocrits for baggin on reed for only getting lucky breaks jbs will dominate from here on out

fun fact jbs's real myspace is www.myspace.com/thereal7

Posted by: splatt---------------------

I think your going to see some team tactics coming into play.

Steve

Posted by: Micahdawg---------------------

Bubba smoked RC in Dallas for sure, but he really didn't have any pressure. He was going out there for a win and that was it. He wasn't a threat to the Championship when they were racing. It's only when he's got the pressure to perform that he seems to eat it regularly. Once he tossed the season away he started his winning streak. But now that he's got a real chance at the championship (it's not a guarantee for RC and Reed to come 2nd and 3rd) I think we can kiss off a flawless run for Bubba.

RC doesn't have to worry about pressure as he performs well all around. He does have to worry about his bad luck which he seems to have been plagued with. "Rag doll" in the whoops, DNF, fuel fine, streak of losses to Bubba, getting out of shape either in his heats or main (coming up short on triple, running off the track), nearly eating the boat. This just has not been an easy season for him and I don't see Vegas being a cake-walk, but rather a culmination of what's been a problematic season.

Micah

Posted by: Red Mamba---------------------

I think there is gonna be somebody out of the top 3 (kw/wey/preston/tedesco/byrne) steping up in the middle to play spoiler. I also think next season is gonna get even better with Bubba dominating and the # 2, 3, 4 positions being hard fought.

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