Originally Posted by Okiewan

Humm.. I thought the track looked like a blue-groove parking lot... they could have run a super motard setup!

Originally Posted by TwinSpar

It looked like they were riding a nice Shady Grove.... just without the Mad Max trackside dangers. LOL

Originally Posted by Mxrider26x

it would have been an amazing race if reed didnt get so bad of a start. i wish him and rc were 2 and 3 off the start

Originally Posted by kmccune

I just watched the raced(had it recorded live, but the darn dvr stopped the recording at lap 8 ) on the normal speed channel showing. Wow that was tense! hats off to RC JBS and CR. These guys are awsome. Congrats to RC on going out big too!

PS

Nanna Nanna Boo Boo, Eddie.... my boy won!!!!

Originally Posted by Okiewan

...Oh and props to Reed for FINALLY saying the right thing on the podium (though he did of course bag on Tedesco again in the press conference, lol)

Originally Posted by HiG4s

Hmmm, seems like a lot of DVRs stopped recording.. Wonder if they have some way to shut DVRs off on live events when they want to?

Originally Posted by TheGrinch

I haven't seen or heard the broadcast. What did CR say on the podium & in the press conference?

Originally Posted by Masterphil

That quad was amazing! Those guys were airing it out through there. The flattrack section was really cool, too. Any word of what happened to Gossler?

Originally Posted by Okiewan

I sure can't quote him, but the podium speach was good, ie; I tried my best, got third, congrats to the others, etc. No excuses (he didn't even say "no excuses" lol), no whinning. In the press conference he said Ivan was in his way, RC's team mate, etc.

Originally Posted by *KISSofDEATH*

Ya JS has been so fast all year congrats to him an RC. Short put on a good race for Millsaps and Alessi.

My DVR diddn't record it all either, and I tried to record on sunday and it got it all.

Can't wait for the outdoors!

Originally Posted by Okiewan

Do you mean he wasn't fast enough or that K-Dub intentionally held him up?

Originally Posted by TheGrinch

I haven't seen or heard the broadcast. What did CR say on the podium & in the press conference?

Originally Posted by yota

Every time someone brings up the fuel thing it occurs to me that when Chad and James got busted they were riding 2 strokes. When Ricky got busted he was riding a 4 stroke. If lead additives give any benefit it's to the 2 strokes, not the 4 strokes. 'IF' Chad and James teams did cheat it was to get an advantage for the 2 stroke. 'IF' Ricky's team cheated it would give them no advantage. I'm not saying nor do I believe that any of the 3 cases was intentional. The amounts of lead detected were too small to be of any benefit.

Originally Posted by HiG4s

That is right the amount was too small. It is obvious there was no intent to cheat, but with Bubba and CR the penalty stood, but the AMA gave RCs back. Personally I think they should have given back the previous years points and correct the official standings. It wouldn't change who won the title in either case.

Originally Posted by Ando400

The rules should absolutely apply regardless of the points situation. In 2004 with CR, taking the points away was an easy decision because it didn't effect his lead in the championship and coming so close to the end of the season was highly unlikely to change the overall outcome. This was borne out in practice, with the championship result unaffected by whether CR lost the points or not. The AMA looks like it's taking a tough stance but with no real risk.

In RC's case it was very different. At the time of the penalty it was very obvious that it would change the outcome of the championship. While RC won in the end (only just), we now know that with the penalty that wouldn't be the case.

Of course RC wouldn't give the points back, neither would I. If I recall correctly Yamaha also protested in 2004 but with no luck.

Originally Posted by Ando400

So the approach to fuel penalties is to see if the championship result would be effected then decide if they should be applied retrospectively???? There are probably some AMA people who can sleep well now knowing that RC won, and that they guessed correctly about the championship result a few weeks ago.

In Reed's case it didn't matter at the end of the championship, but at the time of the penalty it did allow Windham back within about 7 points I think, close enough to give him a chance to take the championship had Reed faltered. In RC's case the outcome would definitely be effected.

Originally Posted by john3_16

People will always find excuses as to why RC has won another title against their favorite rider...