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Steroids In Motocross?!
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Posted by: dont be a tool---------------------

so what do you think, are our guys juicin?

R.C.'S brother was Lances trainer right?

Landis has ridden with Justin/Jason Bucklew
(i cant spell his name)

Does the AMA test for it?

Should they if they dont?

There is a huge gap between the first and last place guys,
it could be possible.

Posted by: sparkysakitas---------------------

or it could be that the first place guys are just better riders than us last place guys

Posted by: dont be a tool---------------------

cortisone is a form of steroid so if that is legale then everything else should be as well

Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Cortisone is a CORTICAL steroid not an ANABOLIC steroid.

High doses of cortical steroids or just high natural coritsol levels tend to promote muscle wasting not muscle growth.

Posted by: Masterphil---------------------

Our sport is more skill based than road cycling. I'm sure you remember seeing some 100lb soaking wet kit on a 250/450 just tearing it up. Our sport really dosen't depend alot on strength, but much more on proper technique. Look at Dubach, he's really small. So is AJ, and more than a few have seen him tear it up on an AF.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Modifying the body's ability to use oxygen would however be a benefit....

Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

... increasing the body's ability to recover between hard training sessions would also prove to be a huge benefit.

Posted by: dont be a tool---------------------

i dont mind if they are using, but are they being TESTED?

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Nope.

Posted by: Masterphil---------------------

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Originally Posted by Okie

Modifying the body's ability to use oxygen would however be a benefit....

No doubt doping would be a huge benefit to any sport that requires moving.

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Originally Posted by Rich

... increasing the body's ability to recover between hard training sessions would also prove to be a huge benefit.

I know that's my biggest problem. Seems like I'm sore for 3-4days after a practice/race weekend, just to do it all over again the next weekend. Or constantly agravating an injury instead of allowing it to heal. Steroids would definitely help in this respect.

BUT, no matter how much steroids I take, I'll never be able to beat JBS, RC, or any other pro for that matter. In our sport, it seems steroids are something that would hone an already sharp edge. Not make a chainsaw capable of splitting hairs. Having said that, I don't think any of the top pros are juicing.

Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

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Originally Posted by Masterphil

BUT, no matter how much steroids I take, I'll never be able to beat JBS, RC, or any other pro for that matter.

The same can be said for the mid pack guys in the Tour and the front runners.

Posted by: robwbright---------------------

Who really cares? If they want to risk the possible side effects (which some info says are highly overstated), then have at it - if the steroids were legal to use.

In the 80s the DEA, AMA and FDA all tried to keep steroids OFF the controlled substances list.

I wonder why?

I would appreciate being able to legally take something to recover quicker from a race or soccer match.

BTW, did you know that competitive swimmers use suits that are essentially copies of shark skin. Guess what the benefits of those suits are . . .

http://www.runnertriathletenews.com...in_nov2001.html

"After having tested the Fastskin suit in three triathlons this season, I can say that everything Speedo claims appears to be true. While I may not swim like a shark yet, there is no doubt that I swim faster, with less effort, while wearing the Fastskin suit."

Don't you think it's strange that a suit you put on outside your body is acceptable, but something that goes inside your body that accomplishes essentially the same thing is illegal. If they want to find out who is really the fastest swimmer, then I guess all swimmers should be required to swim naked.

The rules and laws are arbitrary. Some pain killers are acceptable and will reduce pain and allow players to play through injuries that they otherwise could not - see Brett Favre's addiction situation several years ago. Yet, if Brett had taken a steroid that would have allowed him to recover sooner so that he could play with less pain, it would have been illegal and against the rules.

Posted by: truespode---------------------

I agree... if you are willing to accept the side effects then have at it.

Ivan

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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if the steroids were legal to use.

They are. Just get a doc. From my very limited knowledge, the real issue is with the teenagers/early 20's when the body is making plenty and they basically OD the stuff. 40+ ? The typical male is making way less than when he was young, a little boost would be nice

Posted by: truespode---------------------

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Originally Posted by Okie

the real issue is with the teenagers/early 20's when the body is making plenty and they basically OD the stuff.

Ok, so I am selfish and heartless... if enough early 20 year old guys od on the stuff then there are more 20 year old wimmin for the rest of us

Ivan

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Due to my natural instinct to survive, I can not reply to that last post.

Posted by: rickyd---------------------

So have they stripped of the title? Either way, nobody will remember seein the 2nd place guy up on the podium..

Ever think maybe he has a bigger production plant for testosterone than the french are used too

He needs too talk too Barry

Damn i was way off topic

Thought this was a Landis thread..

Are MX'ers using roids? Hmm Innocent til proven guilty

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

if they are then that gives me one more excuse why they are way faster than I am........BONUS

so I'll go with probably

Posted by: Zenith---------------------

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Originally Posted by truespode

if you are willing to accept the side effects then have at it.

It's not really that simple though. At the top of the pro level where it's all about tenths of a second, if the leader is using them the second place guy will have to just to compete (they're all there to win, no other reason), as will the guy in third, fourth and fifth.... So you end up with the whole field using them, but now what's the point - they're all equal on steroidal enhancement front. They've all got to live with the side effects though, why would we wish this on the pros of our sport?

I just don't get this? Ban all steroids etc. and test regularly all the way down the field. Test properly though and don't scream scandal until they've checked the second sample.

Posted by: rickyd---------------------

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Originally Posted by Zenith

I just don't get this? Ban all steroids etc. and test regularly all the way down the field. Test properly though and don't scream scandal until they've checked the second sample.

The AMA cant even test fuel, how would they go about testing for steroids..

Posted by: kiwijohn---------------------

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Originally Posted by rickyd

The AMA cant even test fuel, how would they go about testing for steroids..

Ha ha ha... beautiful!

No amount of any "...terone" could make me as fast as Ricky or Bubba...

Posted by: oldguy---------------------

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Originally Posted by rickyd

The AMA cant even test fuel, how would they go about testing for steroids..

Yeah I can just see it now "well you see that big hairy pimply guy over there screaming his head off in a rage- Well that's my mechanic and well I had my gear on so he kinda helped me before the moto so I didn't have to take off my gloves. And... well he kinda touched me and all his testosterone and roids just kinda brushed off onto me................."

Posted by: kiwijohn---------------------

Ha ha....

" I had terrible monkey butt and the cream my local GP prescribed was labelled Human Growth Hormone or something like that... the rash cleared right up! And now I can bench 400lbs!!!!"

Posted by: c_field---------------------

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
however not everything grew if you know what i mean

Posted by: kiwijohn---------------------

Ha! Right on...

"Hey...where did my nuts go?"

Posted by: dont be a tool---------------------

so i watched the mx race staurday and it was the first time they brought up the issue,R.C. said he welcomes the testing.

in response to an earlier post,some one thought even with the 'roids they wouldnt be able to compete,maybe not for you but im sure there are a lot of quality riders that cant practice as hard throughout the week because of recovery,if those guys used a little,they could get in a couple extra laps and give them the edge that they need.

Posted by: BSWIFT---------------------

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Originally Posted by dont be a tool

someone thought even with the 'roids they wouldnt be able to compete

Man, I got 'roids 24/7 and still can't compete!

Posted by: BSWIFT---------------------

Oh, wrong kind of 'roids!

Posted by: oldguy---------------------

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Originally Posted by BSWIFT

Oh, wrong kind of 'roids!

Yea Brian you have the kind Johnny Cash memoralized in song

'And it burns, burns, burns,
That ring of fire

that ring of fire'

Posted by: pornstar---------------------

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Originally Posted by robwbright

Don't you think it's strange that a suit you put on outside your body is acceptable, but something that goes inside your body that accomplishes essentially the same thing is illegal. If they want to find out who is really the fastest swimmer, then I guess all swimmers should be required to swim naked.

Imagine if all MX guys had to ride stock machines?
That would be a great thing for the sport, it would make it more competitive.

When did any other than the 3 usual suspects get on a podium this year?

It was either when one of them had a crash or when the conditions (mud) made that all the bling and bang on their machines didnt offer a benefict on performance.

How`s that for a 1st post?

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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Imagine if all MX guys had to ride stock machines?
That would be a great thing for the sport, it would make it more competitive.

I don't think the racing would change, but development would grind to a hault....

Posted by: HajiWasAPunk---------------------

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Originally Posted by pornstar

You don't actually think those guys podium because their bikes are better do you?

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

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Originally Posted by HajiWasAPunk

You don't actually think those guys podium because their bikes are better do you?

No, but the one super duper fast guy might beat the other super duper fast guy because his bike has just a little bit better suspension.

I'd almost welcome a return to the factory bike days. Maybe a short series of "unlimited" racing, just to see what the manufacturers would roll out with.

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