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Originally Posted by dirt bike dave
That was awesome!
Props to Bubba for another amazing race and lightning speed through the whoops. But RC will forever be the GOAT. |
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Originally Posted by Okiewan
I really doubt anyone will stick to it as long as RC did ... "could" JS beat the records? Probably. "Will" he... doubtful.
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Originally Posted by 2-Strokes 4-ever
Way cool race. The "look-overs" seemed like a sign of mutual respect........a nice way for JS to confirm RC, and a respectful way for RC to "hand over the reigns." Was it 05 or 06 when RC and McGrath went over a double, did look-overs, and RC pointed to Showtime like......"You da Man?"
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Originally Posted by FruDaddy
To all those that believe that nobody can keep up with Stewart, watch it again. And Reed was close, just not at the end. He was up there for several laps, enough for Stewart to screw up (but unfortunately that did not happen this time). Also, did anybody notice that Stewart was giving RC plenty of room in the turns. If he is so fast, then why does he have to hug up on Reed every chance he gets? Clarity, when he passes the worlds fastest rider, he leaves 3-6 feet of dirt between him and his opponent, but when he passes somebody that doesn't stand a chance of keeping up with him, he has to rub elbows? It looks to me like he's just an *******, and I am getting sick of him.
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Originally Posted by 2-Strokes 4-ever
Way cool race. The "look-overs" seemed like a sign of mutual respect........a nice way for JS to confirm RC, and a respectful way for RC to "hand over the reigns." Was it 05 or 06 when RC and McGrath went over a double, did look-overs, and RC pointed to Showtime like......"You da Man?"
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Originally Posted by kx__ken
Yes very cool BUT. Does anybody believe that there will be a rider to make the kind comments that Everts made about RC to JBS at the end of his career? Impossible to say but I doubt it.
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Originally Posted by FruDaddy
To all those that believe that nobody can keep up with Stewart, watch it again. And Reed was close, just not at the end. He was up there for several laps, enough for Stewart to screw up (but unfortunately that did not happen this time). Also, did anybody notice that Stewart was giving RC plenty of room in the turns. If he is so fast, then why does he have to hug up on Reed every chance he gets? Clarity, when he passes the worlds fastest rider, he leaves 3-6 feet of dirt between him and his opponent, but when he passes somebody that doesn't stand a chance of keeping up with him, he has to rub elbows? It looks to me like he's just an *******, and I am getting sick of him.
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Originally Posted by Chili
How about you share or link us to the comments you're referring to and we can decide from there?
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Originally Posted by mafols
Anyone else notice...no post race interviw with 3rd place....What's up with that....
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Originally Posted by karterron
Rubbin is racing. Dale Earnhardt used to lean on people, even when he didn't have to. Racing is a mental game, it's pretty obvious that James is in Chad's head.
When did MX get so politically correct, he didn't knock crybaby down or take him out. RC did the same thing to Reed in the heat race. That's a message to crybaby, you're not good enough now or ever. Don't like it, do something about it. |
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Originally Posted by Micahdawg
Bubba has what it takes and as evident in this race...he can dethrone the king even if RC didn't step down.
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Originally Posted by FruDaddy
Just the response that I was looking for. Stewart does it when he doesn't have to (just to send an unnecessary message?), and it's just part of the game, but when Reed does do something about it (uses identical tactics), the world explodes with criticism about a blatent take-out. Well, I ask all, is rubbin' really a part of racin' or not? If so, then it is OK for everybody, including the "crybaby". If not, then Stewart needs to play right too.
James may be in Chad's head, be he is also p1$$1ng Chad off, which may not yield the desired result. I personally think that a fast, clean, easy pass would have a more profound mental effect. It would say "hey, look how easy this is". What it really boils down to is respect (as has been said before). Reed and Stewart have absolutely no respect for each other right now, and I have a feeling that we will be seeing a lot more of the same, unless the AMA decides to butt in. |
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Originally Posted by FruDaddy
I love the anti Reed crowd. If he were to stand up on the box and say "I tried, but I couldn't beat him today" then he would still be whining. Just like Stewart, he has PR people telling him what to say. And if you think that Stewart is a better representative for the sport, remember that it is not him changing, it is his PR team telling him what not to do. He is the same guy that used to drop his bike and do a dance after every win (yes, I found it amusing, but many did not). Do you really think that Windham and the others are representing well with "I'm just happy to be on the podium"? Where is the desire to win?
Personally, I don't hear the excuses, but I am a little biased in Reed's favor. BTW, I used to like Stewart too. Now, he is one of the two riders that I don't like; Mike Alessi is the other one. |
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Originally Posted by karterron
The difference is, when JBS and RC do it to Chad nobody falls down. Chad grows some balls and takes out Bubba. Then when Bubba passes him back later in the race and then taunts him afterwards the whiny crybaby Chad comes out.
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Originally Posted by Micahdawg
Bubba is the next GOAT. Just like RC was the GOAT, and MC was the GOAT.
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Originally Posted by Micahdawg
It's just the next generation. MC was unbeatable until RC beat him. We just saw the next transition. Bubba has what it takes and as evident in this race...he can dethrone the king even if RC didn't step down.
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Originally Posted by FruDaddy
And let's not forget that Stewart spent and entire summer whining that his bike wasn't fast enough. Yes, it was a 2 stroke, and Jeremy has since led races on one. OK, Jeremy did it indoors.
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Originally Posted by Chili
GOAT = Greatest Of All Time. There is only one GOAT and it is now RC, prior to RC I'm not sure who I would have anointed but it would not have been MC and his 1 Outdoor Title. Jeremy is the King of SX but his lack of outdoor dominance leave him out of any GOAT consideration. As for Stewart he is currently the fastest full time racer, in the unlikely case that he manages to Surpass RC's accomplishments (He's already several 250 Outdoor titles behind at this point in his career) then he may be considered for GOAT eligibility, until then he's the latest fast guy, nothing more.
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Originally Posted by Chili
So he beats a part time semi retired car racer by .9 seconds less than 36 hours after the guys wife gave birth to his first children and this is evidence he could dethrone RC?
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Originally Posted by Chili
RC gave James two full seasons to dethrone him and James failed, would it happen eventually if RC decided to race forever? Most certainly but as of right now James is the fastest guy on a SX track but RC is the guy who would come home with the title had he desired to have it. Need evidence? James already has a 5th place finish this series, with RC there full time it would have been title chase over.
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Originally Posted by Okiewan
What's the win/loss ratio between the two in all races they've competed in? (I don't know).
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Originally Posted by Solid State
Heat races included?
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Originally Posted by Chili
I wouldn't call a holeshot on a 40 yard start straight and holding the lead for 2 turns much of leading a race.
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Originally Posted by Okiewan
You need new lures FruDaddy, your Kung Fu is weak
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Originally Posted by Micahdawg
A I still find it oxymoronic how the GOAT gets beat heads up several times this year. Is that how he got his status?
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Originally Posted by Okiewan
Humm... I'm old and the memory fades, but doesn't that describe RC's first 250 season with MC? Yup, JS crashed and broke in his first season, then came-up a couple points short in his second.
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| At some point many years from now if James manages to topple RC's records he will replace RC as the GOAT, until then he's just the fastest guy out there currently. |
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Originally Posted by Red Mamba
Chad Reed need to worry about three guys getting up closer to him, Tim Ferry, Tedesco, and Langston, they are getting real close to him if he still wanna maintain the #2 spot.
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Originally Posted by Okiewan
Why? Can't, won't, etc .... ? All records are eventually broken are they not?
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Originally Posted by dirt bike dave
7) If he starts to get RC's records, RC will just come back and get a few more titles
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Originally Posted by Chili
He'd have to stick it out longer than RC has since he's already several titles behind at this point to where RC was.
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Originally Posted by mafols
Anyone else notice...no post race interview with 3rd place....What's up with that....
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Originally Posted by FruDaddy
To all those that believe that nobody can keep up with Stewart, watch it again. And Reed was close, just not at the end. He was up there for several laps, enough for Stewart to screw up (but unfortunately that did not happen this time). Also, did anybody notice that Stewart was giving RC plenty of room in the turns. If he is so fast, then why does he have to hug up on Reed every chance he gets? Clarity, when he passes the worlds fastest rider, he leaves 3-6 feet of dirt between him and his opponent, but when he passes somebody that doesn't stand a chance of keeping up with him, he has to rub elbows? It looks to me like he's just an *******, and I am getting sick of him.
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Originally Posted by dirt bike dave
I am a huge RC fan. But I'll admit JBS has arrived and RC is not as focused/committed/willing to hang it out as he used to be.
So, yeah, if RC had raced the full '07 SX series, he may well have lost the title to JBS. Finally, someone can keep up with RC on an SX track. But RC's GOAT title was earned outdoors. All those SX titles and wins were just icing on the cake. I'll guess RC has beat JBS about 90% of the time they lined up against each other outdoors. IMO, to be the GOAT, JBS will have to EXCEED RC's title count. Not going to happen. |
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Originally Posted by dirt bike dave
SX and MX will probably be out of business or outlawed within 100 years, so there won't be too many generations left to go after RC.
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Originally Posted by Vic
The thought of that possibility brought a tear to my eye.
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Originally Posted by Micahdawg
Think about it, if you are JBS or RC, you have the talent to win. If you are everyone else, you know without a doubt that you suck and can never win. If you are Reed, you are caught in the middle. What would you guys do...look like idiots each week on the podium taking your scraps or give up already. I think most of you would have seen the writing on the wall and just given up by now. Reed is without a doubt in the toughest most frustrating spot....and despite that, and the haters, and his statistical chances of losing....he still tries. I have more respect for him than all the other riders. Even if he never wins again...just the fact that he goes out there hungry for a win. You think the rest of the pack actually hopes for a win? Byrne, Windham? No...they all know they will never win....they just hope for the best. Reed tries to win.
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Originally Posted by YamaB
Didn't RC only win like 1 or 2 RACES in his first two years in the big bikes??
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Originally Posted by YamaB
I think JBS can easily equal or beat RC's sx accomplishments if he can manage to not get hurt by riding crazy...
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Originally Posted by Micahdawg
"Bubba is the next GOAT."
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Originally Posted by Micahdawg
Reed is without a doubt in the toughest most frustrating spot....and despite that, and the haters, and his statistical chances of losing....he still tries. I have more respect for him than all the other riders. Even if he never wins again...just the fact that he goes out there hungry for a win. You think the rest of the pack actually hopes for a win? Byrne, Windham? No...they all know they will never win....they just hope for the best. Reed tries to win.
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Originally Posted by Okiewan
JS will never be able to live down the "yes, but he's not the goat" thing. No matter what he accomplishes, he'll always hear that. So yeah, it's a bad time for him to be racing as well. |
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Originally Posted by Okiewan
Last year was probably the best we will have seen for some time.
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Originally Posted by Okiewan
JS will never be able to live down the "yes, but he's not the goat" thing. No matter what he accomplishes, he'll always hear that. So yeah, it's a bad time for him to be racing as well.
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| I disagree, break RC's records and James is the GOAT |
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Originally Posted by Okiewan
he COULD break the records.
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Originally Posted by Okiewan
Last year was probably the best we will have seen for some time.
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Originally Posted by XRpredator
Villopoto will move up next year
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Originally Posted by Chili
I'll try to say this slowly there is no "next GOAT" There is only the GOAT, if and when James breaks all of RC's records he will be the GOAT until then he is nothing more than the fastest guy currently racing SX/MX. If we lined up these crowns ahead of time Pastrana would be walking around with one without having ever won a 250 main.
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Originally Posted by Micahdawg
It's very strange how in 1985 "the GOAT" meant nothing . . .
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Originally Posted by Micahdawg
So following your logic. RC is the GOAT. And JBS is nothing (aside from fastest guy out there).
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Originally Posted by Micahdawg
So when/if JBS beats RC's record, then JBS becomes GOAT. Then RC will become nothing again? Or is he the old GOAT?
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Originally Posted by Micahdawg
It's very strange how in 1985 "the GOAT" meant nothing, except to Chili who fully understood the meaning of "the GOAT" before it's inception, but now the "next GOAT" can mean nothing.
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Originally Posted by XRpredator
Nay, I say to thee, NAY! Here's what I see going down:
Stewart will retire from full time SX/MX in 2009 and go race NASCAR |
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Originally Posted by 2-Strokes 4-ever
CHILI, I agree with most of your thoughts/comments.........and I also don't see how JS could ever match or beat RC's CHAMPIONSHIP TOTAL (I believe this defines "GOAT"). But to say it's not at ALL possible is unrealistic I think......unless we have a crystal ball.
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| No RC will become a great former champion with the likes of MC who's career accomplishements were surpassed by a greater rider. |
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Originally Posted by Okiewan
You mean like JS will do to RC? You obviously remember when we all named MC the "King". So now we have a King and a GOAT? Maybe some of this has to do with personality of the racer?
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Originally Posted by Okiewan
Up to the "SX" class, hasn't JS beaten RC's records? RC is done with SX and James is just starting?
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Originally Posted by Chili
I'll make it simple all anyone has to do to claim the title from RC is surpass:
156 AMA Victories 3 - 125 Class National Titles 5 - 250 Class SX Titles 7 - 250 Class National Titles 3 - US Open Victories 2 - MXdN Victories 2 - Undefeated National Seasons 125 SX titles have been omitted since the AMA only recognizes them as a regional title. |
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Originally Posted by FruDaddy
suppose he only gets 1 MXdN victory, but 8 SX titles and 3 undefeated outdoor seasons, and still manages to equal the rest, then is he the GOAT?
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Originally Posted by Chili
2 - MXdN Victories
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Originally Posted by tony91
Yes.
Just go out and do it. No need for warnings...warnings are just talk. And this business of....."I'm trying". I had a football coach who used to say "trying is lying". LOL CR needs to work harder, push the edge further...or zip-it and accept the fact that he will get beat. |
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Originally Posted by FruDaddy
To all those that believe that nobody can keep up with Stewart, watch it again. And Reed was close, just not at the end. He was up there for several laps, enough for Stewart to screw up (but unfortunately that did not happen this time). Also, did anybody notice that Stewart was giving RC plenty of room in the turns. If he is so fast, then why does he have to hug up on Reed every chance he gets? Clarity, when he passes the worlds fastest rider, he leaves 3-6 feet of dirt between him and his opponent, but when he passes somebody that doesn't stand a chance of keeping up with him, he has to rub elbows? It looks to me like he's just an *******, and I am getting sick of him.
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Originally Posted by rickyd
Villapoto could become a GOAT by Winning a Championship every year of his Pro career
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Originally Posted by FruDaddy
Actually, I think RC backed down and let him go, right after the pass to prove that he could. Of course, the world will never know.
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Originally Posted by kawicam250
i cant wait to see him up there either, but it wont be next year, 2009 http://www.transworldmotocross.com/...1595884,00.html
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Originally Posted by Chili
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Originally Posted by Sandjunky
I can't wait to see that kid in the SX class. One more season and we'll have some more close racing up front.
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Originally Posted by Mxrider26x
I heard a commercial on SPEED advertising ORlando, and it mentioned that RC was the greatest champion in SX history. It annoyed me because it made me feel like everyone forgot about MC. Any thoughts?
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Originally Posted by Mxrider26x
Short Term Memory
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Originally Posted by Solid State
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Originally Posted by XRpredator
scooped!
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Originally Posted by Mxrider26x
I hate to break everyone on here's hearts, but RV will have nothing for Stewart. Stewart is too fast for him. You guys all make it sound like RV is as good in the lites as Stewart was. Short Term Memory.
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Originally Posted by Red Mamba
I agree with you on that, Stewart is on a whole different level and getting a chance to rumble with RC and beat him has put him into the untouchable class , but i believe RV is capable of beating Reed if he has the stamina to go 20 laps.
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Originally Posted by Chili
I'll make it simple all anyone has to do to claim the title from RC is surpass:
156 AMA Victories 3 - 125 Class National Titles 5 - 250 Class SX Titles 7 - 250 Class National Titles 3 - US Open Victories 2 - MXdN Victories 2 - Undefeated National Seasons 125 SX titles have been omitted since the AMA only recognizes them as a regional title. |
Stewart will have alot of time to think about not being able to beat The Goat for a title, he couldn't do it
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Originally Posted by Mxrider26x
I hate to break everyone on here's hearts, but RV will have nothing for Stewart. Stewart is too fast for him. You guys all make it sound like RV is as good in the lites as Stewart was. Short Term Memory.
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Originally Posted by XRpredator
uh, Stewart lost the SX Lites title his first year to Travis Preston. I believe Villopoto is right in line with Stewart as far as titles won at this point in his career.
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Originally Posted by Mxrider26x
Its true.
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Originally Posted by Solid State
The GOAT stuff is subjective
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Originally Posted by Solid State
Also, with all the record numbers being thrown around, why doesn't it really matter how RC is doing in '07? ?
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Originally Posted by dirt bike dave
Nope. It is easly measured by who has the most major titles and wins. It is not who could go the fastest on their best single day. It is who had the greatest career.
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Originally Posted by FruDaddy
Who was the greatest president in US history?
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Originally Posted by FruDaddy
Who is the greatest actor of all time?
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Originally Posted by FruDaddy
Who is the greatest football player of all time?
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Originally Posted by FruDaddy
What is the greatest ice cream flavor of all time?
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Originally Posted by dirt bike dave
Nope. It is easly measured by who has the most major titles and wins. It is not who could go the fastest on their best single day. It is who had the greatest career.
RC has done quite well in '07, thank you very much. Last week he showed up at an SX and got second. This is after 10 years of pro racing, and less than 36 hours after the birth of his children. RC is an outdoor specialist, yet he spanked SX specialist Chad Reed. JBS had enjoyed far better SX results than MX results, yet RC pushed him to the max indoors, and RC would have won had JBS made even a small mistake. That may not sound like much to you, but it's pretty damn impressive to me. While RC is certainly still the fastest outdoor rider in 2007 and almost the fastest indoor rider, the question is the greatest of all time, not the greatest of 2007. RC spanked JBS in the only four championships they competed head to head for a full season. |
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Originally Posted by Okiewan
Hang on just a minute! EVERYONE knows Rocky Road is the GICOAT!!
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Originally Posted by Mxrider26x
Maybe, but I'm not counting on it. Reed dominated the 125s just as much as RV does..
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Originally Posted by dirt bike dave
Does anyone still believe Chad would have won the '04 title if RC or JBS had raced that year? RC and JBS are clearly a step ahead of Chad in speed.
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Originally Posted by XRpredator
uh, Stewart lost the SX Lites title his first year to Travis Preston. I believe Villopoto is right in line with Stewart as far as titles won at this point in his career.
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Originally Posted by Mxrider26x
Stewart lost THREE 125 nationals and he entered 31. RV has already lost 9. Stewart was a freak, and he smoked everyone. RV only wins his races by an average of 5 seconds.
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Originally Posted by XRpredator
Stewart wasn't racing against Alessi
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Originally Posted by Philip
Pred and Okie you guys are showing your age.
Peter Faulk Conrad Dobler O.K. I agree that after this year when JBS wins the two titles (WSX,AMASX) the flood gates will open and he will continue to rack up the titles just like RC. Also as far as this outdoor nonsense, do you haters actually think JBS is going to slow down outdoors. I think that without a mechanical or anyone pushing him he may even match the perfect season in MX. RC did because no one was close enough to cause him to wad it up and his bike was damn good. JBS is in the same position as far as competition goes, so baring a breakdown, it is realistic. Also on this nobody trains harder stuff, I think alot of these guys train much harder than most people see. We judge there training by there results and thats not really a true measure to there commitment. I have said this before, I have seen K-dub train and watched him practice and the guy is amazing, yet on race day he seems to be average. So what seperates him from a JBS,RC or CR? Is it that he has kids to think about? Maybe worried about ending up like Fonz or Bailey? Mental Drive? I don't know the answer, but after watching his preperation in person I don't what else the guy could do. With that in mind that makes JBS and RC very special. |
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Originally Posted by Red Mamba
Reed is very unlikely to ride outdoors but the question is RC riding this outdoor season?
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Originally Posted by Chili
Reed is most definitely riding outdoors, part time in Australia but he's still riding
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Originally Posted by Okiewan
First it was "MX is not really my thing" LOL ...apparently SX isn't either.
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Originally Posted by XRpredator
LOSING at SX is not his thing
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