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Posted by: atkkid250---------------------

i live in a town that was cop and warden free, so we could ride on the road to get to a trail head about a mile away, but then all of a sudden a bunch of drug busts happen and there are cops everywhere everyday now! the stupid druggies ruinded everything for us.they are even giving warnings to us for not wearing our helmet on our pedal bikes! wat a bunch of losers, their decisions and mistakes make everyone miserable.

Posted by: theKDX200rider---------------------

I hear ya, for a long time my town didn't even have a cop and guess what, very few crimes ever happened. Now we have a Nazi for a cop and guess what, those little crimes still happen with no consequences. The only thing different now is that all the law-biding citizens get punished for the most ridiculous things, such as throwing a snowball at a friend. The only thing I even liked about this small, dirt road town is it's little less strict law enforcement and now they ruined that too.

Posted by: atkkid250---------------------

exactly

Posted by: atkkid250---------------------

i actually got talked to the other day, right in front of my driveway, the cops are all undercover to, but he was cool about it and let me off with a warning. for riding on the road of course.

Posted by: 250girl---------------------

Same thing happened on my fairly quiet(excpt for friday nights) dead-end road. A bunch of druggies moved in a few houses up, and presto! Cops everywhere! Luckily they are gone now, but I do have a big problem with druggies and their stupid descisions. I feel truly sorry for you, good luck.

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Ever think that on an alternate DRN (Drug Reseller Network?) that the druggies are posting about the stupid dirt bikers riding bikes on public roads bringing the cops out?

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

This tickles me . . .

14 year old kid condemns people for their illegal behavior because it increases police patrol thereby making it difficult for him to participate in his own illegal behavior.

some people need THIS in their real lives!

Posted by: Green Horn---------------------

Yeah but c'mon now, pred. Riding your dirtbike on the street isn't highly illegal. It's more like kinda illegal.

Posted by: Mink---------------------

Yeah i dunno. If drugs did what they did for me, you would do em 2. And I agree that your cryin cuz you wanna do somethin illegal. lol. Quite funny.

Posted by: 250girl---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by XRpredator

This tickles me . . .

14 year old kid condemns people for their illegal behavior because it increases police patrol thereby making it difficult for him to participate in his own illegal behavior.

some people need THIS in their real lives!

Never thought of it that way. Good point.

Posted by: atkkid250---------------------

ahh, lol why and how could you compare the two? i am doing something damn near harmless, and by registering my bike the state is making money, and im not hurting anone else, noone has called about me riding the road a small ways longer then perfectly acceptable. and as for mink, YOU are the type of person that is making the sport unreputable, and giving it a bad name. also people tend to get hurt and die more often while they are high or drunk? i would like to see the number of fatalities caused by an extra 300 yards of riding on the road compared to the number of fatalities caused by durgs. hmm?

Posted by: Green Horn---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by atkkid250

and as for mink, YOU are the type of person that is making the sport unreputable, and giving it a bad name.

All of the sudden I'm reminded of a pot and a kettle.

atkkid I see that you're only 14. I won't pick on you too much as I don't really expect you to "get it" when it comes to life. Just keep in mind that you have alot to learn.

Posted by: atkkid250---------------------

yes i know, i reallize that kids also give riders a bad name, but the drugs dont help at all. and when people started comparing using drugs, to riding the road a little ways it ticked me off pretty good. and it seems that many people on here are supportive of drugs? if that is so thats sad

Posted by: Green Horn---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by atkkid250

yes i know, i reallize that kids also give riders a bad name

NO! Riding in the street gives riders a bad name. Whether your a kid or an adult it's not the right thing to do. I can't go as far as saying I've never done it, but that doesn't make it right. Make sense?

Quote:

many people on here are supportive of drugs? if that is so thats sad

Not at all. I've only seen one idiot in this thread that is supportive of drugs. And based on his posts it shows he is a major supporter.

Posted by: atkkid250---------------------

i think that if you understood my position a bit better you would see what imn trying to say, there is one trail head in my area, and it is exactly .6 of mile away, clocked it yesterday, and people had no problem with us riding because we were careful, and frankly it is on a road that turns to dirt after a quarter mile anyway. then these drug busts happen, and it ruins the peace with everyone, they are pulling good people over for anything and everything, making people nervous, and are impeding on our riding, not just dirtbikes, but pedal bikes as well, never in my life have i been pulled over for not wearing a helmet on my pedal bike, and it happened last week. i guess i didn't explain things well enough at first. and for some reason i got you confused with mink there, i thought you were implying that you yourself used drugs, but have reread what you wrote and have found that i was wrong.

Posted by: ysr89---------------------

Are there specific laws in your area that say that a helmet MUST be worn on a bicycle if you're uder 16 or 18?

Posted by: Rooster---------------------

I understand your pain atkkid, I uses to be able to ride a short 1/4 mile to my track down by the river. Someone complained about the noise, and shortly thereafter I had a little talk with a cop. I bought a small flatbet trailer and hauled my bike to the track after that. The cost of the trailer was $250.00 US and the lack dealing with the 5-O was priceless. Now we have a Haulmark enclosed trailer with all of our bikes and gear in it, and don't ride on any public streets or highways to go riding.

Do yourself, and all of the rest of us a favor and haul your bike to the trail head. Cops love easy tickets and riding an off road bike on the street is an easy pick. The worst part of is it gives the entire off-roading crowd a bad name.

Posted by: Mully---------------------

I have it figured out.

Drugs are illegal. period.

Riding a non-plated bike on a public road is illegal. Period.

Sound about right Pred ????

your pal.
Mully

Posted by: truespode---------------------

Integrity is doing what is right... when nobody is watching.

Ivan

Posted by: Jaybird---------------------

Right on, Ivan!

Posted by: FruDaddy---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mully

I have it figured out.

Drugs are illegal. period.

Riding a non-plated bike on a public road is illegal. Period.

Sound about right Pred ????

your pal.
Mully

Sounds about right. Of course there is a possible loophole, riding on the grass next to the road. Now, this is not legal advice, and will not prevent po po harassment, but you might think about carefully reading the actual statute.
I am certain, however, that if your rubber touches the asphalt, then you are breaking the law. It's kind of like holding a bag of marijuana, despite the fact that the act of holding a plastic bag containing harvested leaves doesn't hurt anybody, it is still a violation of the law.

Posted by: oldguy---------------------

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Originally Posted by FruDaddy

From my experience enforcing traffic statutes the legal roadway is not only the paved portion but also includes the easement on both sides of the pavement (this may vary depending on road hierarchy and may be measured from the centerline or may extend to the utility easement). In this area all traffic laws are in effect and outside this zone you are more then likely on private property and need the owners permission.

One thing for sure if and when you get a ticket for riding on the road DO NOT come here trying to get sympathy

Posted by: 2-Strokes 4-ever---------------------

I pay taxes!!!
So I can't ride my RM down the blacktop helmetless while smokeing a joint?
So unfair maaaaaaan.

Posted by: atkkid250---------------------

well i think my overall point here was that a couple of people made a decision that affected mroe then they thought it did, and again im 14, i cant drive, and i dont have the money for a trailer, and my dad certainly isn't going to drive me a little over half a mile to a trail head. do you think the side thing would work? probably eh. anyone have any ideas of kissing ass to teh farmer who lives next door, he owns a field that my land borders that actually would bring me right across the road from the trail, anyone know any ideas of gettting him to sympathize? thanks

Posted by: Rooster---------------------

Talk to the farmer, and promise him you won't go through the fields, just on the edge. I did this for years with my neighbor and never had a problem. It put me right to the track and I never took out so much as one corn stalk, bean plant or any other crop he had growing.

Posted by: atkkid250---------------------

the only thing is, is that the way teh roads are is that i would have to cut through the field, he uses it primarily just to graze his cows every once and awhile, so im thinking maybe if i did some work for him or something he would let me ride the inside edges of his field to get where i want to go. i think it will help that he also rides, a quad but same deal.

Posted by: 2-Strokes 4-ever---------------------

Here in Missouri it's fairly easy to plate an off road bike, that's what we do. Hook-up trails via blacktop and gravel roads. Town citizens, the law,... everyone's happy. But you still have a problem... you're 14. Underaged, non-legal bike, and you ride by yourself? At some point you WILL fall over........and be all alone.
We all make choices.

Posted by: atkkid250---------------------

ussually i ride with a friend who lives next door, hes also 14. and we have a couple more friends who actually live ON the trail system so thats pretty neat. and we have cell phones and walky talkies as well. i might just end up storing my bike at a friends house who lives on the trail. that would work im thinking, and if i ever had to bring it home for a repair my dad would agree.

Posted by: BSWIFT---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by atkkid250

so im thinking maybe if i did some work for him or something he would let me ride the inside edges of his field to get where i want to go. i think it will help that he also rides, a quad but same deal.

That is something positive to work with. Solutions are available but not always convenient.
BTW, Ivan, RIGHT ON!

Posted by: atkkid250---------------------

yeah, hopefully talk to him this weekend. btw, who's ivan?

Posted by: TJSCOTT1977xr75---------------------

when you ride on the road, you know its illegal, and you know the consequences. be prepared to take the consequences if you are going to do it. dont complain, just learn from your mistake.

Posted by: FruDaddy---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldguy

Not to argue, or disrespect, your learned knowledge of the law, I do know that many law enforcement officials do not know as much about the actual laws as people believe. There are many cases where the enforcement official has been found to be in the wrong when correcting civilians. The police officers are given their instruction, then the courts get to decide if it was out of line. Having thrown that down, I did say that my statement is not legal advice. I do not know, nor do I need to know, the actual law in the OP's district. I also recall mentioning that the exact writing of the law might be misinterpreted by LEO's. I remember a story about a GA police officer harassing a motorcyclist that routinely chose to wear a Beanie style helmet, to the point of helmet confiscation, only to find a judge tht determined that the skid lid satisfied GA law reqiurements. In the end the judge instructed the officer to personally return the helmet to the motorcyclist since the lid did meet the minimum standard required.

OP, the best legal advice that I can give you is this: push your bike to the trailhead, this will minimize your chances of being bothered by police officials and shouldn't take more than 10 minutes.

Posted by: atkkid250---------------------

thnaks frudaddy, you have had some really good suggestions so far. and if you were to read my original post guys, you would see that i actually wasn't complaining, and in my later posts i wasn't either. i was merely pointing out the adverse affects of drugs on other peoples lives, and.. later on i was mad because people were comparing riding on the road a little ways to doing, and dealling drugs.

Posted by: oldguy---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by FruDaddy

as much as you want to believe all police are ignorant it is not true. I only speak for Wisconsin laws and the roadway extends beyond the pavement and the laws also follow that stretch.
I have made mistakes (really I am only human) and have no trouble admitting when I do.
As to your post I can also point out far more stories of citizens who "knew" they were right even after being convicted and sitting in prison with all the other innocent people.
End of my participation in this

Posted by: atkkid250---------------------

yes, i see what you mean. lol, i know the police aren't ignorant, nor are they stupid, and actually many of tem have been pretty cool, letting me off with warnings and jking about it and stuff, i think they know that we just got stuck in a stupid situation.

Posted by: MXGirl230---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by atkkid250

yeah, hopefully talk to him this weekend. btw, who's ivan?

Truespode is Ivan

When you read his posts, notice that he ALWAYS puts his real name at the end of his post.

Posted by: Green Horn---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldguy

as much as you want to believe all police are ignorant it is not true.

It is true! Especially those Wis. po-po's.

Posted by: SpeedyManiac---------------------

Why not push your bike? I live in a small community, but the trail system starts 3 blocks from my house. Some idiots around here just ride to the trails from their house, but I push my bike. It's not hard, it gets me warmed up and most importantly, I'm completely legal and no one can harass me about it. People have tried calling the cops on me but the cops have told me I'm completely legal in what I do.

There is no excuse for riding on paved roads on a dirtbike unless it's an emergency situation and someone's life is on the line.

Posted by: Mully---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedyManiac

Why not push your bike? I live in a small community, but the trail system starts 3 blocks from my house.

That is the way I did it when I was a kid, only I had to push it across town, something like close to a mile.

To expand on what I said earlier.

If I were you I would make sure that anything I did on my dirt bike was legal. Be it riding on trails that is open for riding, to not riding them on public highways, to keeping my exhaust quiet, and all things in between.

Remember, we are all in this together.......................

Posted by: Ol'89r---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by atkkid250

btw, who's ivan?

Gomers boyfriend. Or manfriend. Or sumtin' like that.

Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ol'89r

Gomers boyfriend. Or manfriend. Or sumtin' like that.

He's Gomer's Significant Otter.

Posted by: truespode---------------------

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Public roads DO NOT end at the edge of the driving surface (pavement, gravel, dirt) they are in a strip of land owned by whichever agency is responsible for the road (National, state, county, other municipality) this land is called the "Right of Way" (R.O.W.). Within this land is the road as well as utilities both overhead and underground as well as surface drainage if there are ditches. So if you are in the ditch next to a public road you are still within the public land and thus police can and do enforce the laws in this area as well. If there is an "easement" where a utility or access to a utility is taken that land is owned by the utility company which may or may not be a public entity but the police also have the right to patrol and enforce the laws in these areas as well in the interest of the utility.

So slice it anyway ya' want the end result is the same, ride on public property that is not designated for off road vehicles and you can get busted, ride on private property without permission and you hope that's all that happens.

Let's look at this a little differently since "comparing" drugs and riding illegally seem to be in different shades of grey on the legal scale of some people. What WOULD be a comparable level of illegal activity, shop lifting?

Posted by: FruDaddy---------------------

I was thinking about my earlier post and wanted to make a slight clarification. Closely reading the law may show you into the loopholes, where the court will let you slide (this is why we have lawyers). Knowing how the law is enforced can keep you out of court in the first place (this is where OldGuy's experience is invaluable). It's usually better to stay out of trouble than to get out of trouble.

Posted by: oldguy---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by FruDaddy

It's usually better to stay out of trouble than to get out of trouble.

Now that is one of the smartest statements in this whole thread

Posted by: TJSCOTT1977xr75---------------------

i dont think they would care if you just ride in a ditch, i do it all the time. actually once, a cop stopped me to ask me about my history assignment lol, he is part time teacher.

Posted by: Jaybird---------------------

In my county of Indiana (Clark), 16.5 ft easement from the center of the road (there are always road center spikes placed at various places in a paved road) is PUBLIC ACCESS. Yes, technically the roadway laws apply to that part of the land as well, but if you are only riding on the easement to get from A to B, I know of no cops that will hassle you at all. All of the easement laws in my state are dictated by the individual county, and the roadway laws are state jurisdiction.
I got my info because some dripping lip awipe didn't like me walking my dog (a 17lb bruiser) in front of his house (he felt the ditch next to the road was his yard, which it ISN'T), so I got the skinny in writing from the co. commissioner. I'd rather get poked in the eye, than have a bad neighbor with a #3 hat size.

LOL, this guy told me that if my dog happened to crap there, he was afraid that his 2 yr old daughter would think it was a tootsie roll and try to eat it.
LOL...I told him that he probably shouldn't be letting his 2 yr old play right up by the road. My wife told him that his youngin would probably only do it once. LOL...

Man, where do they hatch these idiots?

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patman

Public roads DO NOT end at the edge of the driving surface (pavement, gravel, dirt) they are in a strip of land owned by whichever agency is responsible for the road (National, state, county, other municipality) this land is called the "Right of Way" (R.O.W.).

Pat must have done some surveying or sumpin at some point, cuz he knows what he's talkin' about.

Working for a Highway District, I've forgotten more about right-of-way than most people will ever know. In most cases in Idaho, local roads have 50 feet of right-of-way. This includes the driving surface and the ditches on either side. The right-of-way could be wider due to a deed or proscriptive use (ditches, cuts, fills, etc.)

Basically, just to keep yourself out of trouble, figure that the public right-of-way (where you might be prohibited from riding your dirt bike) goes from top of cut to toe of fill. The only downside to that: once you're out of the right-of-way, you're on private property, thereby opening a whole 'nother can of worms!

oh yeah, and:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mully

I have it figured out.

Drugs are illegal. period.

Riding a non-plated bike on a public road is illegal. Period.

Sound about right Pred ????

your pal.
Mully

Mully nails it.

Posted by: 2-Strokes 4-ever---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by atkkid250

i live in a town that was cop and warden free, so we could ride on the road to get to a trail head about a mile away

So if there's no enforcement, it's not illegal? Strange concept.

Posted by: atkkid250---------------------

you got it, not cheating unless the ref sees it haha. bot really, but. its not quite illegal in the same way drugs are, riding on the road up to a certain footage is legal and by going a bit farther is that really illegal? the cops before never even enforced it. they know its not that bad.

Posted by: ysr89---------------------

Well, think of it in the state's point of view. Get one pinhead on a dirtbike being an idiot in a roadside ditch. He's by himself. He crashes and isn't found until the next day. His parents sue the state, win, and the state has to pay out because it's their property. They would argue "negligence" Because the ditch wasn't posted and dirtbikes are there all the time. Has anyone here heard the story of the marshes in Revere Mass?

Posted by: atkkid250---------------------

yeah, lol i get it. what happened in the marshes at revere mass.??

Posted by: 2-Strokes 4-ever---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by atkkid250

the cops before never even enforced it. they know its not that bad.

This may be true, but our police are here to serve the public. If the public starts to complain about you riding on the road.........

Posted by: atkkid250---------------------

ahh, but the public has not complained, except for one, the husband of the store owner, who is a dick. pardon my french. everyone else pretty much rides, or enjoys watching us ride. even the pit owner comes out and watches us ride now and again. instead of posting it. for all of our imperfections at riding we are very respectful for the most part. obeying the landowners rules. its just been the 30 drug arrests in the past 2 monthst that have made them a little extra cautious.

Posted by: IndyMX---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by atkkid250

for all of our imperfections at riding we are very respectful for the most part.

Except for that one small part where riding on the road is against the law.

Posted by: atkkid250---------------------

yes, well that would be one imperfection, but if we want to ride, theres no way around it unless you can push ur bike, at 14 .6 miles up mostly hill. coming back would be easy but the going up would suck, and im working on the farmer thing, gotta talk to him sat. probably btw, does anyone here ride in maine? south western maine to be exact?

Posted by: SpeedyManiac---------------------

Bikes aren't that hard to push. And a half mile isn't that far. Don't complain when you get caught for doing something illegal. It's not the drug dealers' fault you get busted for riding your dirtbike on the road, it's yours. So stand up and take responsibility for your actions.

Posted by: 2-Strokes 4-ever---------------------

So........ you're choosing to refuse reality and replace it with your own. I give up.

Posted by: oldguy---------------------

I have to agree that pushing a dirtbike is not that hard. In the past it was not unusual to have to push your bike to the start and from the finish. At Millville it was pretty close to .5 miles from our pits to staging a couple of years.
At any age if you want to do something there are sacrifices involved but the law should not be sacrificed for convenience

Posted by: atkkid250---------------------

are u serious?? i admitted you guys were right like 30 posts ago!! wowwww.. i originally posted this because i figured noone would even look at it let alone respond. and then i find myself trying to defend myself against a bunch of 34 year olds. who even after i'd admitted were right, continue to try and say im wrong? i dont get it. so either you guys have not read all the posts, or you guys like arguing with a 14 year old kid. which is sad if its the latter

Posted by: FruDaddy---------------------

Actually, you keep trying to convince us (or yourself) that it's OK. When you poke at a bear, it will eventually come after you, no matter how small you are. Sometimes it's best to walk away, and sometimes it's more fun to poke the bear

Posted by: oldguy---------------------

Yep he keeps proving he is on the slow side of the short bus in post after post.
I am closing this as he is not going to convince any of us 34 year olds that he should be able to flaunt the law just because he thinks he is above it

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