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Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

This thread is for questions or comments regarding any of the Product Tests performed by DRN.

Posted by: Strick---------------------

Very nice! DRN - by far the best! Great report on the Sidi.

Posted by: Lorin---------------------

I really enjoyed the review and am extremely interested in the ongoing use of this boot. I have had a pair of Tech 7's for almost 4 years and really like the boot (in spite of replacing multiple straps and buttons). In looking at my options for a new, replacement boot, I have come down to about 3 options: The new tech 8, which seems heavy and bulky
The Tech 6, which is the actual replacement for the tech 7
The new Sidi boot, which may not last more than a year or two (hard to say on a brand new model.)

My main concern is the wear factor. Having used my 7's for 4 years, I am strongly in favor of the Alpine boots. But, those Sidi's certainly are a nice looking boot. If they hold up well, I may very well buy the Sidi's.

Posted by: LongTime---------------------

The review mentioned that there was more lower protection than most boots -- extra formed parts rather than just leather. Is there actually some hard, or formed, protection of the ankle itself? (I broke my ankle riding when my peg went right through it -- I noticed my current boots have no protection for the ankle against a blow).

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Yes, there is more ankle protection than any boot I've seen. Soon as Nikon sends my Digital back from it's $200 repair, I'll put up some detailed shots.

One thing of note; after cleaning the bike (CR) I noticed the boots mark-up the frame a LOT more than boots without this hard protection in the ankle area. I doubt it will have the same impact on steel framed bikes, but it's something to mention.

Posted by: LongTime---------------------

Quote:

Originally posted by Okiewan
Yes, there is more ankle protection than any boot I've seen

Excellent. That's at the top of my list now for important boot attributes.

Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

I'll have some pics and more info on the Sidi boots this weekend but the short version is, these have a remarkable level of ankle, heel, and shin protection without making the boot feel clunky or restricting movement. Great engineering. I'll have Part 1 of my review posted this weekend.

Posted by: MikeT---------------------

Will there be a subsection in the Reviews-Impressions-Questions forum for all the DRN Tested products? Where will all the reviews be kept?

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Yes, we are working on a complete section for reviews, most of the work is done, putting the finishing touches on it now, stay tuned.

Posted by: MikeT---------------------

I'm looking forward to it. I'm a little tired of MXA with "its the best ever" or "it sucks"

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

We going to do it a little differently than the mags... the idea is "real-world" reviews, by "real-world" riders who have to pay for their stuff. There are trade offs with just about everything, the question is, are the trade-offs worth it to you? We'll just lay it all out, you make the call.

Posted by: MikeT---------------------

:D

Posted by: KXaggerator---------------------

I have a EE width foot, and my favorite pair of work boots have a EEEE width. Do any of your testers have wide feet? I an disappointed that FOX chose to bow out of the testing. I have a new pair of Forma Comp's still in the box, I have tried them on once and they feel too narrow compared to my old Gaerne's. I'm afraid I am going to have to put them on the For Sale board.

Posted by: Jaybird---------------------

Quote:

We going to do it a little differently than the mags... the idea is "real-world" reviews, by "real-world" riders who have to pay for their stuff

Quote:

As far as EVS not "giving" us a brace to review... If I were them, I wouldn't want it reviewed with the other braces either. Please don't imply that just because they wouldn't supply one for review we trashed it, would be kinda childish don't you think? We were not supplied a unit to review, therefore there is no review. The last thing we'll do (regarding the series tests, where we review several products) is go out and buy the product to review. All the manufacturers were given the review guidelines and invited to participate. EVS declined... no review.

I guess I'm just confused. Please forgive my obvious ignorance.

Posted by: MX265---------------------

Jaybird,

I think what was being said, though I may be wrong, is that the Test products were to be donated to individuals who normally have to buy their gear. The products to be tested were not going to be bought; only tested by people who normally buy their own stuff. Unlike the pro's who get paid to use something, these testers would base their preffered product decision on what they would prefer to buy and use. Basicly they were only going to test the donated products and choose to buy what they preffered. I hope this makes sense considering I wrote this at 7:50AM in pre-coffee mode. :confused:

Andy

Posted by: MikeT---------------------

Jaybird, Who made that second quote??? Where did you get it from?

Posted by: Jaybird---------------------

General Discussions...Safety Gear

Posted by: MikeT---------------------

Thanks!

Posted by: Lorin---------------------

Has Rich's part of the review on the Sidi boots been posted yet? I am anxious to hear his take on these boots, as they are most likely my next major purchase. He mentioned on the 15th that his post would be the following weekend and I am hoping that I havent just missed it. Not trying to rush the moderators, just wondering if \ when it will be posted.

Posted by: KXaggerator---------------------

Rich, since you have worn both Alpinestars and Sidi boots, which one seems wider? I have Sidi Dominator 2 mountain biking shoes and they fit great, so I was leaning towards the Sidi's. I realize if I get the Alpinestars I can remove the liner for more room.

I just saw Rich's post, I guess it was Okie that has the Alpinestars. So, Okie whatcha say?

Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

I should have my full review (with pictures) up by THIS weekend. I got bogged down in other things. SORRY.

Quick review on the Sidi Flex Force SRS:
- Great buckle system that is easy to adjust
- Great support at the ankle and base of the foot
- super protective all around
- BEAUTIFUL fit and finish.
- SRS sole can be replaced with an electric screwdriver in under 1 MINUTE!!
- sole is super grippy. your feet won't be slipping off the pegs
- adjustable calf system is easy to use and makes for an awesome custom fit
- internal gator system keeps water out without overheating your lower leg.
- they look totally BITCHIN

- pivoting ankle system along with the adjustable calf makes breakin uneccessary
- I have wide feet but had no problems with fit or comfort.

quick dislikes:
- These are SX boots, so the soles are very stiff. If you aren't used to stiff boots you might be put off by this. I usually wear Hi Point GP (very soft and flexible) so I noticed this right away. I don't have a whole lot of ankle flexibility anyway so it only took a few rides around the house to get used to it. The extra support in a boot this comfortable seemed worth dealing with the stiffness. The upside is if I had these boots a few years ago I wouldn't have broken my foot landing from a jump. My AXOs folded the sole and snapped my foot. OUCH!! Woods riders might be better served by the less stiff NON-SRS Flex Force. The extra stiffness might be a liability in the woods.
- I have a small foot (8.5-9 ) coupled with a short but wide calf (18.25" without MX pants) so I had to modify the calf adjustment system with a pattern file to fit me. The good part is it was quick, easy, and it worked GREAT. The problem is, I don't have enough room to fit my CTI Edge brace in there. Okie is a big guy but he didn't have any problems fitting his Asterisk braces in the non-SRS Flex Force model. I'll follow up on this when I get my Asterisk braces.

Overall these are incredibly well made boots with an ultra trick sole system that I would recommend to anyone looking for a great looking, super protective boot that doesn't mind a stiff sole.

As part of the trick SRS system, Sidi (www.motonation.com) makes a $20 bolt on SuperMotard slider kit. This can be used in place of a steel shoe for flattrack use. I've ordered one of these kits and will be testing it out as well. Can you say, "back it in"?

I'll have pics and more details this weekend.

Posted by: Farmer John---------------------

Rich,
good, informative review!

Could I suggest that in future boot reviews that the tester include not only their boot size, but calf size, & basic foot width (narrow, wide, whatever).

Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

In my FULL review I'll have a little table with all that junk in it

Posted by: Strick---------------------

Rich - great summary! Did you test the Vectors Also? If so can you let me know which of the two (Sidi vs. Vector) you liked best? Just send me a PM if you like. Thanks -- Strick

p.s Okie & Rich - I really like this DRN Tested platform. Great Idea!!

Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Quote:

Originally posted by Strick
Rich - great summary! Did you test the Vectors Also? If so can you let me know which of the two (Sidi vs. Vector) you liked best?

Okie looked at the Vectors but I don't think he did a full review yet. That may be on tap for this weekend.

Posted by: Buzz Bomb---------------------

I'm just wondering, why was the Fox Forma Comp boot declined to participate? I was looking forward to reading the review.

Posted by: gibbs_6---------------------

Good job.

Posted by: Papakeith---------------------

When will the review for the RC5 boots be ready for viewing?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Actually I have the RC4's now and I wanted to know what they have changed, why they changed what they did, and whether or not the changes they made make the boot any better?
So. . . any due date?

Posted by: yzf426---------------------

Hello, are you going to test the Gaerne SG1 boots ? I plan on buying them and am looking for input on them.
Thanks.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Still need to get the SG-1's and RC5's ... will let ya know.

Posted by: gibbs_6---------------------

When do yall think yall will have the alp tech-8's tested.Right now I am in a decision between the Sidi's and Alps.Plan on trying them on and seeing which one fits better, but would like to know how they wear.Can't afford $300 boots every year with no job.:scream: :think

Posted by: Buzz Bomb---------------------

Just get Tech - 6's. I think mine are awesome and you will save about $70 on them.

Posted by: Bill Hibbs---------------------

Well, I just got my Sidi's (SRS Model) and have put one ride on them. They barely fit over my knee guards and are extremely stiff. After reading Rich's review it looks like the tight fit around my calves could be adding to the stiff feel I'm experiencing around the ankle. The plastic the boots have on the inside of the calves, vs a leather surface most boots have, creates a "Different" feel as well. I feel like I'm not gripping the bike as much. I also have a feeling that my calves are pushed out further than normal. I ride a size 9/43 with 16" calves. I'm using the Fox Pivot knee guards which may be the reason they're so tight. I'm going to make some more adjustments and break them in some more. I really hope I can get them to fit right and losen up a little. The protection of the boot is superior to anything I've seen. If anyone wants to try them out at the SpodeFest just let me know. You can help me break them in.

Posted by: gibbs_6---------------------

Are they really that stiff?I think it was in thumps review he said the non-srs was not as stiff.:think Well I need a boots that comfortable and has plenty of ankle protection and I have heard both are comfortable and well protected.Guess I will have to see which one feels better on my foot when I try them on.

Posted by: Bill Hibbs---------------------

Don't get me wrong. The fit is Perfect! I think Sidi Modeled their size 43 boot off of my foot. The same is with their Mountain bike shoes. Right now they're just really Stiff. As stated in the review, Sidi recommends having the top of the boot a little loose which was not the case in my last ride. I'll give them a little more time before I put the on the For Sale Forum. :D

Posted by: penguin---------------------

How long before we get some more reviews on the other boots? I have tech 6's and llike them a lot and wondered what others thought.

Posted by: jeb---------------------

It took several rides before my Sidi Flex Force SRS boots broke in, 4-5. That surprised since they have the hinge. The 8's actually broke in much quicker. After the Sidi's break in, they're as comfortable as the two pairs of 8's I have. The worst part of the Sidi's is the toe needs to have the plastic above the toes continued to the sole in the front like the 8's do. The bare leather gets nicked up. Another downsides is that they are NOISY when walking around (doesn't bother me but gets some comments).

Upside's are: Easy and pretty cheap to replace the entire sole; Far and away the most water resistant boot I've ever owned (owned Oneal IFS's, Fox Forma's, MSR System 6's, tech 7's, tech 8's); Adjustability.

If I had to buy one or the other today, it'd be a hard choice. The 8's are great but the soles get torn up SO fast, they leak badly, the lower frontward closing buckle is constantly open at the end of a tight trail and the little tear drop shapes pop out after a while. I'd probably go with another pair of Sidi's. You'd think for the amount of money that they charge for either of these boots, you wouldn't have that many areas of concerns.

Posted by: CR Swade---------------------

Hey Rich,

You said earlier that you think this boot would have prevented serious foot breakage? I am curious because my Tech 8's are ready for a replacement. Well actually I could also use a foot right now-but hey that is my problem.

Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

In my case the front of the sole on my AXO boots flexed far enough to break my foot. The sole on the Sidi SRS boots have a stiff rubber sole bolted to a stiff plastic shell. There is no way the sole of the Sidis would be able to flex in a similar hit. Normal bottoming impacts go unnoticed as well . I like that feeling, although some riders complain that this level of stiffness and isolation makes it difficult to tell where your foot is in relationship to the pegs. It's a trade off to some degree. I'd buy the boots in a minute if they would make one that would fit my calf/knee brace size.

Posted by: CR Swade---------------------

I think I can live with the trade off. It sure beats using crutches, plus my wife has little sympathy for scooter-related dings. So between the two, I would side with the stiffer boot. Thanks

Posted by: XL250SRanger---------------------

Dirt Rider has, a)The best off-road bike info ... b) Pro-Quality reviews

Posted by: CO Dan---------------------

I've got a line of fender bags that I'd like to submit for review. Better than anything there I think. Ask Jeb, he's got a prototype.

How do I submit for review?

Thx,
Dan

Posted by: marcv125---------------------

How are the boot reviews coming? Just wondering thxx?

Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

I bought myself a pair of Alpinestars Vectors so I'll have a review as soon as the weather gets a little better. So far I'm pretty happy. Eric Gorr has been riding with the Vectors for a a while now so we'll have a long term review on them soon as well as a long term review on the Sidi's from Pokie.

We are working on a special Super Motard boot review as well as a few others so stay tuned.

Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

A quick update. I'm working on testing the following:

- Pro Vue prescription goggles
- Russel Speed Bleeders
- Nissin 6 pot Super Motard Caliper
- Braking OverSize Wave rear rotor and 4 piston Braking Motard Caliper
- Galfer Green brake pads
- SRC Hydraulic brake light switch for dual sport applications
- MSR bolt on kickstand for MX to dual sport applications

FYI, all these pieces will be purchased outright so as to get a better feel for the average (non-sponsored) rider value/performance ratio .

We are also doing a test on a pre-mix pump for use with bulk (gallon) pre-mix oils which should be up very shortly. We'll have an extended test on this product as well to guage it's long term reliability. Should be interesting.

We have lots of other stuff in the works to so keep checking in. :D

Posted by: marcv125---------------------

Rich thx for keeping us updated..alot of help.
But one question about the Vectors. I tried on a pair when i was looking for a new pair of boots. I was looking at a new pair of boots for the ankle protection..Makes my feet feel safe. But anyways i tried them on and well, they pretty much felt like the MSR world tour boots that i was getting rid of. They were very comfortable, dont get me wrong, its just that there wasnt enough protection for me..So lets just say i went with the Tech-8's and i feel very secure.. Thx again Rich

Posted by: Speedway---------------------

Thump, A great review on the knee braces. I really appreciated the time and effort you took for our approximately 26,000 knees! I had a really bad accident about fifteen years ago, and although I didn't damage my knees, I understand pain and the financial heartache that can be waiting for us all. As a father and a husband, the only worker in my houshold, I felt it imperitive to protect myself as much as possible. I put my order in for the cell last Friday. Thanks again,
Michael

Posted by: huffa---------------------

How soon are you going to post your test results on the rg3's?

Posted by: endo426---------------------

These clamps are great. I love the forward position, it makes standing more nuetral alows/promotes a more forward position in turns. They look good and are well made.

My gripe is that the adjustable scotts damper mount won't work in the forward position :o

I had to make my own mount out of scap

so far Emig hasn't offered a solution for the problem. At this point I would just like the $50 for the damper mounts since I had to make my own(2 hours+ pidling in the garage that I could have been riding). If any body is interested I will report back.

Posted by: Thump---------------------

Speedway,
Glad you liked it and I hope you found it informative.

Huffa,
ThE RG3 review should be up soon... Sorry for the delay.

Endo,
Have you called Emig? Talk to Paige or Gary, I bet they can help you. 1.866.get.emig

Posted by: endo426---------------------

No help. they have the forward mounting for the oversized bars, but non adjustable. I'll stick with my home fab mount.

Posted by: ninjaman---------------------

I would certainly look into the SiDi boots if you are a serious rider or even a woods rider. They have great protection and even though the ankle protection marks up the aluminum frame guards on my bike that is a very small problem I can live with. I feel it is the best boot on the market as far as protection and ease of adjustment. Spendy YES, but cheaper than a doctor visit.

Posted by: huffa---------------------

rg3 triple clamps - March - coming soon, April -coming soon , May - coming soon, June - coming soon. What is considerd soon?

Posted by: 02CR---------------------

Ok, So does anyone own a pair of these that they would be inclined to talk about? It seems suspect that EVS would not donate a set of 350.00 braces considering the value of getting themselves in the mag. Unless they did not feel they would withstand the scrutiny. Or maybe they feel their advertising dollars (350.00? less actually if you figure their cost) could be better spent elsewhere.
As I see it now I am leaning toward the Asterisk's . But I like the look of the EVS, looks easier to set up and use plus the price factor, but without any feedback to go on... I guess it will be the asterisk.
EVS if you wish to correct an error in judgement.... I will review your product , just send me a set of your RS6 braces and I will give the scoop on them within 1 month. ( a very shameless attempt at gettin free braces) Let me know!!

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:

I will review your product , just send me a set of your RS6 braces and I will give the scoop on them within 1 month. ( a very shameless attempt at gettin free braces) Let me know!!

Not likely.

Trust me, The Cells and RS6/7 or whatever, are NOT on the same planet. The RS 6 makes a good knee pad, but that's just about it.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:

Originally posted by huffa
rg3 triple clamps - March - coming soon, April -coming soon , May - coming soon, June - coming soon. What is considerd soon?

Apparently our "soon" is not as soon as your soon.

Posted by: BillyWho---------------------

The RG3 review or lack of it is completely my fault,and I appologize, I will have it next week or Okie and Thump will fire me

Posted by: 02CR---------------------

Okie;
just got back from Chapperal checked out the RS6 actually tryed them on.
And if what you are saying is correct the asterisk must really be something because I was pretty impressed with the RS6 . Now I have no affiliation with that company as you can see by the lack of an EVS logo on my post.... But now I am really anxious to see the asterisk in person.
as I will be buying one or the other. Hope your knee gets better.. maybe we could race the next time your in So Cal. and compare thrashed knee's!
I will be at Des Nations ( spectator ) as it is about 20 min from my home. anyway thanks for the unbiased reviews , later

Posted by: sspmxc400---------------------

check the woods boys! I don't think the Tech6 and Tech8 testers every made it back!

Posted by: Camstyn---------------------

02CR, that's not an Asterisk logo on Okie's avatar, that's a Yamaha logo.

Posted by: Patman---------------------

If your impressed with the RS6 you better wear some Depends when you check out the Cells!

Posted by: 02CR---------------------

Yea , I was really making reference to Billy Who , who is a moderator, Not Okie who is an administrator, But if you,ve read much here I think its easy to discern a coralation between dirtrider and asterisk, but its all good .... Asterisk is a good brace I never said it wasn't.. I've ended up getting custom CTI-2 braces which are made by the same company, So alls good at Innovation Sports. Side note ... I guess the EVS braces didn't help Travis out much at the gravity games.....wonder if he was wearing them?

Posted by: Thump---------------------

Quote:

Originally posted by 02CR
Yea , I was really making reference to Billy Who , who is a moderator, Not Okie who is an administrator, But if you,ve read much here I think its easy to discern a coralation between dirtrider and asterisk, but its all good .... Asterisk is a good brace I never said it wasn't.. I've ended up getting custom CTI-2 braces which are made by the same company, So alls good at Innovation Sports. Side note ... I guess the EVS braces didn't help Travis out much at the gravity games.....wonder if he was wearing them?

Billy is one of the lead designer engineers at Asterisk. The correlation (though I think you meant affiliation, becasue one does not correlate to the other) between DRN and Asterisk started after I review their brace. They found the review favorable and decided to sponsor DirtWeek 01. Billy was asked to moderate based on his experience as a proffesional racer and because he is one of the coolest person you could ever meet, not because he works for Asterisk. You see Billy turned pro back in the mid 80's, Rookie of the Year 125 Outdoor Nats in 86'. After his racing career he got into body building and has now gone back to racing. Those factors over qualify him for moderating the training and fitness forum here on DRN, but he is as addicted to this place as any of us. I made his avatar with the Asterisk logo on it, it was not something he asked for.

Other notes:
Innovation and Asterisk are not the same company. Same owner, yes. Same company, no.

The CTi2 is a great brace with really poor patella protection as it was as a medical device, not designed for offroad. Still a good choice, I have one too and wear it to play Golf.

Travis does not wear the RS6, that is an EVS advertising myth. Read the fine print of their ads... it states that he wears the EVS knee cup, he does not wear any brace. At least not one that the public is aware of.

Posted by: dhvann---------------------

KXaggregator,
I have very wide feet EEE. I have tried almost every boot made. I finally got a pair of Alpinestar Vectors and they are really comfortable in the width department. You won't be dissapointed. Good Luck
Don

Posted by: 02CR---------------------

Thanks David for the clarification, I wasn't trying to start a feud or anything.
Actually the reason I made any remark at all was that I was in the market for braces at the time and was leaning toward the RS7 EVS brace which looked like it would do the job for me. I think ( and I havent looked back ) that Okie was saying that it would make a good shin guard. Or else maybe it was that they wouldn't send him braces for the review or something. So if I ruffled some feathers I apologize. So now can I get my own Avatar? :D
How about a guy on a CR doing a back flip with really cool "red" CTI-2 braces on? I have to wait about another week to get my braces already had the measurements takin and all, actually the brace place put both my legs in a cast and then sent those casts to Innovation. So thats cool, I hope you are wrong ( I guess I can't help being abrasive) about the patella cup as I'm really stoked about getting these braces. If Travis wasn't wearing any braces maybe he will start to think about it no? Better yet give up FMX until after he's won a few nationals. Last thing.... My Orthopedic docter also treats Sean Hamlin, and I won't even start to list the pro riders that wear the CTI2's so they must be pretty good. I'll post back after I've had then a couple of weeks.

Posted by: Thump---------------------

02CR I am glad you got some good braces, that is the point of all of us discussing products on here. The CTi is a great brace but the patella cup it junk, Innovation knows it too...
See below:

CTi2 looks well protected with leg extended but when the knee is bent it is a comprimised system

The Asterisk does not leave room for impact above the knee.

The XO Rage did a good job of this too but they have gone out of business unfortunately.

Posted by: 02CR---------------------

I see your point, Its even a little funny that the CTI2 brace cost over 1000.00
each and the asterisk which looks like a better Motocross brace is 549.00 for the pair. I guess you can see why the medical industry is so out of control.
Although maybe they are really geared toward people that have ligament damage not necessarally MXer's . But look at all the Pro's that use them.
I guess I'll find out soon enough. But not soon enough for this weekend out at Glamis....Yea I know its still a little hot. But what the heck 72 deg at night 105 during the day. If you get out that way there will be about 50 of us at Pad 1
I'll be the guy with the 3' X 15' Honda Banner .... Can't miss it. Thanks David

Posted by: 02CR---------------------

Oops sorry for some reason I thought you were in Ca. Might need to fly in , in the DirtRider Helo Drop you in the dunes like that Z400 commercial. Make sure your wearing your braces though...

Posted by: Thump---------------------

02,
Thhe CTi is expensive because it is considered a medical device. It has gone through some major expenses of being a medical device thus the high cost. Asterisk utilized the knowledge Innovation Sports and made a non-medical device brace based on the same technology and newer technology. By not markketing it as a 'medical device" they avoid the high costs associated with that in order to make it affordable for consumers. I don't want you to think you got ripped off or anything because a brace that prevents a knee injury is worth 10,000 times what you paid for it. But being more expensive does not always mean it is better.

Most of the pros today are wearing the Asterisk braces... somewhere in the neighborhood of 95% of all pro's are wearing the Asterisk brace and not one of them is sponsored by Asterisk. 3 years ago it was all CTi's but the Cell has changed things.

All of that being said the CTi's will last you a long time and you will love them.

Posted by: soquel---------------------

Moto-x riders who use the Cti2 knee brace, enough said!

Greg Albertyn
Jeff Alessi
Tony Amaradio
Fred Andrews
Buddy Antunez
Mike Brown
Justin Buckelew
Jeremy Buehl
Guy Cooper
Paul Currie
Doug Henry
Steve Hengeveld
Mike Jones
Cory Keeney
Steve Lamson
Mike LaRocco
Phil Lawrence
Kyle Lewis
Ezra Lusk
Johnny Marley
Jacob Martin
Jeremy McGrath
Jason Partridge
Billy Payne
Chad Pederson
Shawn Perollio
Mickael Pichon
David Pingree
Brett Racine
Nathan Ramsey
Juha Salminen
Robbie Skaggs
Cameron Smith
James Stewart Jr.
Brian Swink
Matt Walker
Ty Wallace
Nick Wey
Dee Wood
Davey Yezek

Posted by: Thump---------------------

Where did you get that information, because according to people that work at Innovation and Asterisk you are incorrect.

Quote:

Originally posted by soquel
Moto-x riders who use the Cti2 knee brace, enough said!
Greg Albertyn
Jeff Alessi
Tony Amaradio
Fred Andrews
Buddy Antunez
Mike Brown
Justin Buckelew
Jeremy Buehl
Guy Cooper
Paul Currie
Doug Henry
Steve Hengeveld
Mike Jones
Cory Keeney
Steve Lamson
Mike LaRocco
Phil Lawrence
Kyle Lewis
Ezra Lusk
Johnny Marley
Jacob Martin
Jeremy McGrath
Jason Partridge
Billy Payne
Chad Pederson
Shawn Perollio
Mickael Pichon
David Pingree
Brett Racine
Nathan Ramsey
Juha Salminen
Robbie Skaggs
Cameron Smith
James Stewart Jr.
Brian Swink
Matt Walker
Ty Wallace
Nick Wey
Dee Wood
Davey Yezek

Posted by: soquel---------------------

I obtained that information at the innovation sports website
I should be getting my own pair of cti2's this week!

Posted by: Thump---------------------

Don't believe everything you read..... many have switched over to the Cell but it doesn't really matter.

Posted by: 02CR---------------------

OK soquel nice list here is one for asterisk:
Jeremy McGrath
Ricky Carmichael
David Vuillemin
Ezra Lusk
Sebastian Tortelli
Tim Fery
Matt Walker
John Dowd
Robbie Reynard
Brock Sellards
Damon Huffman
Nick Wey
Kyle Lewis
Ernesto Fonseca
Heath Voss
Casey Johnson
Nathan Ramsey
Danny Smith
Greg Snell
Kelly Smith
Justin Buclelow
Travis Preston
Mike Brown
Travis Elliot
Shae Bently
James Stewart
Ivan Tedesco
Billy Laninovich
David Pingree
Mickael Pichon
James Dobb
Scott Sheak
Michael Byrne
Buddy Antunez
Trevor Vines
Mike Cinqmars
Clifford Adoptante
Kris Rourke
Jake Windham
And the list goes on.....

Now don't get me wrong, I picked up My CTI2 braces yesterday and I am stoked. But what David is trying to get through is that while they are both good braces the Asterisk is more geared toward Motocrossers or better put, Extreme sports enthusiests sp*. The CTI2 braces are actually geared for a wider range of uses including medical uses, IE people that have had injuries already to the ligaments and so forth in their knees. And I think that you will agree when you get yours that the Patella cup is more of an after thought than an integral part of the brace. As David pointed out earlier as well, the CTI2 leaves a fair amount of open space above the knee unprotected. If I would have had to pay for the braces myself I would have bought the Cells, but as my insurance paid for the CTI2's I went with them and I'm sure they will serve me well. One thing that does bug me about Asterisk is their website. It is so High tech that it is worthless. You can only enter the site if you have Flash player, I'm sure there are old folks like Guy Cooper that are still using a 386 or something. The links don't work and they only have their e-mail address posted, not a click here to contact etc. which is a little strange. But maybe they are working on it or something. Bottom Line is you are far more protected from knee and ligament damage no matter which brace you use. Good luck with the new braces and I hope you never have to find out just how fortunate you are to be wearing them.

Posted by: yzeater---------------------

Did insurance cover 100% of your braces? And were they after an accident, or preventive?

Posted by: 02CR---------------------

Ok , I didn't scroll up and read the other lists or posibly you guys posted while I was typing.... Now I am confused as I got my list from the August Issue of Dirt Rider ( because the asterisk site wasn't working)
So it looks like riders are making the shift and IS is still claiming them...Kinda funny but as David said its no matter ( exept maybe to the riders that are having their names thrown around and most likely not getting paid for the endorsement)

Posted by: 02CR---------------------

Yes they did, I didn't even have to make a co-pay.
The following is an exerpt of a post I wrote on another MB ( before the ins co signed off on them)

If you have fairly good insurance and a good relationship with your doctor you may be able to get these thru your ins. as well. Here is how I went about it... Went to my primary care doctor told her that my knee was hurting ( which it was at that time) and that this was the third time this year I had hyperextended my knee riding, twice on one knee and once on the other, I told her that I was afraid that if I continued hurting my knee this way that some major ligament damage could occur, She referred me to a Orthopedic doctor ( and I had to get some x-rays) I told the Ortho Dr. the same thing I told my doctor ( I also brought some info I had downloaded and printed off of the Innovation Sports website) and he agreed that the braces would be a wise decission so he wrote the perscription. Now all that is left is for my Ins. co to sign off on it , I will know in about 5 days. I do not see why every ins. co would not be glad to provide these braces to their MX patients I'm sure the price of the braces is nothing compared to orthoscopic surgery and PT. Anyway thats how I am going about it. If it does not go thru i will most likely get the asterisk's which run about 549.00 a set. I am currently using the Fox shin protectors and I have no problem with them slipping and my riding pants keep them in place fine.Maybe the before mentioned fox guards that people are having trouble with are different than mine. So wish me luck with my Ins. Co and maybe someone else can benefit from this info.

Posted by: soquel---------------------

Oh I get it!
I didn't realize that Asterisk is part of Innovations Sports. Thats is why they can have the same statistics. I agree with 02CR in that I would go with the Cells if my insurance didn't cover the cost of custom made CTi2's

Posted by: Thump---------------------

Quote:

Originally posted by soquel
Oh I get it!
I didn't realize that Asterisk is part of Innovations Sports. Thats is why they can have the same statistics. I agree with 02CR in that I would go with the Cells if my insurance didn't cover the cost of custom made CTi2's

Okay okay... now that we are all together as one, let me throw another wrench into the mix... Asterisk is not part of Innovation. Asterisk is a separate company started by the same guy that started Innovation, Jim Castillo. He still runs both companies, they do not share technology, Innovation is a medical company, Asterisk is a consumer company. So they are not a part of Innovation but they are affiliated by ownership. Here are a few pics from Frank Hoppen at Las Vegas SX this year.... MC and Stewart. Notice the little logo on MC's helmet? and on Stewarts chest protector? Asterisk. And for the record Asterisk will not pay a rider to run their stickers, that is why Bubba has it on his CP because he will not run any sticker on his helmet w/o being paid for it... so he put it on his cp. Go to Frank Hoppen.com and look at some of the top riders, you'll see a lot of Asterisk logos on them....

I am sorry I beat a dead horse, it is just in my nature... To all of you that have CTi2's, you have fantastic braces and for all of you that have Asterisk braces, you do too... now if you have EVS... your asking for trouble.

Posted by: Thump---------------------

Mc

Posted by: JWW---------------------

Bottom line question.. If you had to purchase a set would you go with the Asterik or the CTI?

Posted by: 02CR---------------------

Ok so do I get the Avatar now or what? :thumb:

Posted by: 02CR---------------------

Quote:

Bottom line question.. If you had to purchase a set would you go with the Asterik or the CTI?

The Asterisk.

Posted by: Thump---------------------

RM Jeff.
I would buy the Asterisk.. if insurance would cover the cost of the CTi I would get those and buy the Asterisk when I could afford them...

02CR, bout' the Avatar.... you got a better chance of making money on Worldcom stock. J/K... one of these days bubba

Posted by: JWW---------------------

Thank you

Posted by: 02CR---------------------

Quote:

02CR, bout' the Avatar.... you got a better chance of making money on Worldcom stock.

Ha! fooled you..Switched all my Worldcom stock to Enron ages ago!

Posted by: 02CR---------------------

Hey Thump , Real question...
Do you think that the adjustment for how far the braces go before they stop.
( hyperextension) should be at the point that your leg is fully straight, slightly bent or as far back ( the thickest shim ) that they will go? I guess I'm leaning toward slightly bent. Any thoughts?

Posted by: Thump---------------------

The sooner the lock out the better. This diagram is SUPER rudementary but it will illustrate what happens. The leg on the left is at full lock out under normal load, the leg on the right is in hyper extension under tremendous load. Although the brace is not in hyper extension it compresses the soft tissue of the leg allowing the joint to further travel past zero. Two ways to combat that.
1) set your extension stops to stop sooner.
2) wear the brace tighter.

Both is best.

By wearing the brace tighter you are in essence compressing the soft tissue in advance allowing the brace to absorb the impact if it in fact comes under load (wreck).

The Asterisk is hands down the best for straping the thing on.... or I should say lacing it up. The lace up system works better (in my opinion) because it disperses across a larger area than a strap does allowing me to get the brace tighter with out the discomfort. Just simple physics, would you rather have 500lbs of stress accross 2, 2 inch straps accross your hamstring or 500lbs accross 1, 6 inch strap accross your hammstring. The larger area disperses energy more efficiently and less painfully.

I am no scientist but I believe what I am saying is accurate as I have done extensive research on the subject, but if I have made a mistake here let me know.... Billy is the resident guru on the subject but he don't like to get into these threads cause he gets accused of plugging his product... Billy did I at least get te info right?

Posted by: BillyWho---------------------

Your right on the money, I actually have shorter cables made to stop even sooner than standard all the way tight ( as do you Mister). There is no way around the soft tissue "absorbing" some of the pressure in hyper-extension, and the brace is designed to have some initial absorbsion as well before it becomes rigid ( in an effort to eliminate the claims of people saying the brace broke their leg). It veries with each leg, depending on how much soft tissue the end users has on his/her quad and calf, but to a certain point yes, tighter is better untill you cut the circulation off LOL.

Posted by: Smitty---------------------

I was not aware that Pokey the horse off the Gumby shows was modeling knee braces?

Posted by: 02CR---------------------

Thanks for the info....
The Brace guy who delivered my braces to me set it up way to straight,
Saying that your leg has some natural give to it anyway before reaching Hyperextension. I want to know the thing is going to do the job therefore I am going with the thickest shim. I can't think of a time riding wise that you would ever need or want your leg to be all the way straight. Unless it was perhaps while doing a superman , kiss of death or a nothing. And as I haven't done any of those lately....I'll go for the full stop position.

Posted by: Thump---------------------

Quote:

Originally posted by Smitty
I was not aware that Pokey the horse off the Gumby shows was modeling knee braces?

Got something better... perhaps a water color rendition?

Posted by: Smitty---------------------

Sad part is I thought it was a pic of my legs from high school. i.e. same muscle tone. Of course now I'm ridiculously massive, call me Magnus ver Magnusson.

Posted by: Ollie Fmx!---------------------

I have the Alpinestars tech 8's, and believe me, they are Awesome!

Posted by: MXcarzy8080---------------------

I am going wiht the EDGE's, im only 16 so its most likly i will grow out of them, plus my insurance only covers 80% so that suxs... i haven;t gotten them let...i went to my doc to talk to her about getting them and she gave me a referral to go see a sports doc... so sometime in the ext 2 weeks i will be going.....i'll let you guys know how i like them

Posted by: KXaggerator---------------------

Well,
I was full of hope for the Sidi boots, as my Sidi Dominator MTB shoes are beyond perfect, but the Flex Force boots (sewn sole) have let me down. I am a 10 1/2 EE in my new work boots, so I purchased a size 12 for the extra space. I only have 17" calves, and the boots top two straps simply do not accommodate them. The straps constantly fall out, as they are fully extended. I would assume that a person who wears size 12 boots would have larger calves. I am going to fabricate an extender plate to se if I can get then to work for me. It really burns me that I spent $300 on a pair of boots and I have to use duct tape to wear them.

I also had to go to the thinnest socks I could find, as the width was almost too narrow. The boots do feel wonderful, but are simply too small. If you have wide feet try Gaernes.

Update- :o I set to extending the adjustable side plate today and I took off the plate and guess what there is another set of holes hidden by the side plate. They are still tight across the foot and I can't shift worth a darn yet due to lack of feel, but they finally fit my calves. :thumb:

Posted by: MXcarzy8080---------------------

heres something interesting for you guys who say all the top rider use asterisk braces. a video or RC himself http://www.isports.com/assets/RCarmic.mov and on the innovasionsports site there are move vids. www.isports.com

Posted by: Smit-Dog---------------------

Hey KXaggerator -

Contact Motonation at www.motonation.com I believe that you can get longer straps from them. A few others had a tight fit, and the longer straps did the trick. Very good customer service.

Posted by: Thump---------------------

Quote:

Originally posted by MXcarzy8080
heres something interesting for you guys who say all the top rider use asterisk braces. a video or RC himself http://www.isports.com/assets/RCarmic.mov and on the innovasionsports site there are move vids. www.isports.com

Most of the top riders do. Billy would probably give you a list of the riders using the brace if you ask...

BTW, this is a shot of Ricky, see anything on his helmet that is interesting? :confused:

Posted by: bscottr---------------------

MXcarzy8080,
Unless Ricky went back to Kawasaki I'd say that video is a little dated, no?

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

MXcarzy8080...
Nothing against CTi, but...

When was the video made? Do you know? (hint... the fox jersey RC is putting on is from 1999, possibly even 1998)
When were the Cell's introduced? Do you know? After 1999? After 2000? 2001?

Does RC still ride the Kawi in the video?

Not baggin' on ya, just making a little point; just because you see a video of something, doesn't mean it's current.

Posted by: MXcarzy8080---------------------

lol ya i noticed that too... just thought i would p[ost it tho cuz all u guys r talking about hecause they hav the sticker on ther helmet they got the braces.....i hav seen pics of Jean Sebastian Roy and he has had CTi² and Asterisk stickers on his helmet.......at the same time (if i could find the pic i would show u guys)

Posted by: mckenney---------------------

Quote:

Originally posted by KXaggerator
I have a EE width foot, and my favorite pair of work boots have a EEEE width. Do any of your testers have wide feet? I an disappointed that FOX chose to bow out of the testing. I have a new pair of Forma Comp's still in the box, I have tried them on once and they feel too narrow compared to my old Gaerne's. I'm afraid I am going to have to put them on the For Sale board.

Unfortunately, I have the same dilemma, a 4E width and also wear Gearne boots that have seen there day. Recently, I conducted my own research based on several articles on line, my stacks of mx mags, and also a trip to a bike shop where I physically tested boots. To add to your resolve, the new Sidi Force boots offered a good width, which will add to the short list of boots available to the "Gorrila Footed". I read the excellent articles (2), here at DRN, on the high end Sidi boots and agree, they are well designed and aesthetically appealling! Like it said, "the necessity of the SRS model is really SX (very stiff sole)." So save your self a few bucks and forego the SRS model (easy remove sole). As for myself, I got out bid on a pair of non-SRS soled boots listed on ebay (not listed as often as other brands) so as of now I have my eyes on a pair of Gaerne RX 2's, one model down from the SG1. If I had the extra money, the super exoskeleton designed SIDI boots would be sitting in MY gear bag!

Posted by: Ollie Fmx!---------------------

I was just wondering about the edges......
I have been given a sponsorship option, where i can get a pair of edges for the price of one, but I still feel unsure, even after reading the BEST bloody test article that I have read anywhere, thanx DRN. Could someone help me out, and tell me should I go for this great deal, or get the Cells (which I really like the look of). Oh, yeah, i do fmx by the way, just thought it would be important.

Posted by: Ollie Fmx!---------------------

Oh yeah, two other things:
Are Asterisk Cells availaible over here (the uk)? and if so, where?
Are innovation sports the same company that make Asterisk? Thanx (again)

Posted by: Ollie Fmx!---------------------

Listen, c'mon people, this is important, i need this info soon! Thanx

Posted by: Thump---------------------

Quote:

Originally posted by Ollie Fmx!
Oh yeah, two other things:
Are Asterisk Cells availaible over here (the uk)? and if so, where?

Ask Billy in the Asterisk forum for that answer or send an e-mail to bradf@asterisk.com

Quote:

Originally posted by Ollie Fmx!
Are innovation sports the same company that make Asterisk? Thanx (again)

Yes and no. They are both owned by Jim Castillo but Asterisk is a separate company. Innovation makes medical devices, Asterisk does not. Asterisk uses the same technology and newer technology to make braces that they market to the consumer. They are not sold as a "medical device" therefore they are more affordable for the masses.

Hope it helped

Posted by: Ollie Fmx!---------------------

Thanx Thump
I've gotten the Edges anyway, and they are great. I can see how the Asterisks are better, and wish I could have gotten them. But I wanted some good customer support, and I have alot of that from James and Tim at Technology in Motion (the UK branch of IS). Thanx anyway.

Posted by: hanh 26l---------------------

is sidi better then Alpinestars Tech

Posted by: hanh 26l---------------------

is sidi better then Alpinestars Tech 8

Posted by: oldguy---------------------

Quote:

Originally posted by hanh 26l
is sidi better then Alpinestars Tech 8

No way anyone can answer that for you. They are both great boots but their design differences make them a personal choice. If I picked my favorite it may vary from yours because of many factors- foot shape, riding style, terrain, and on and on. The reviews only attempt to convey the users feelings but no way make a better then X brand statement

Posted by: DJwag83---------------------

I too have wide feet. EE. What are the boot choices besides for these mentioned? Also are we going to see some tests for the under $200 boots out there?

Posted by: Cobrascommander---------------------

I have a question about the Asterisk Cell Knee brace. This site seems to be the only site with in depth reviews of knee braces and comparisons to the CTI2.

9 Years ago, I tore my ACL and Medial Meniscus in a pickup football game.(dumb!) I was prescribed a custom CTI2 which worked very well for the last 8 years.

Back in March(I live in NY) we had a bad storm and we were evactuated from our apt. When that happened, I dislocated my knee and felt both the ACL and Meniscus tear again.

I am an AVID softball player and up until now, the CTI2 was doing it's job. This past Sunday, the CTI2 gave way and my knee dislocated again while wearing the brace. It was adjusted correctly, and I'm within 5 lbs of the weight I was when I got the brace, so I know that size wasn't a problem.

I'm now concerned about the CTI2 and I have since ordered an Asterisk Cell which arrived today.

I'm sorry for the long preface, but does anyone have any experience using the Cell for any sport OTHER than Motocross? Softball, football, etc? Any advice on this brace would be greatly appreciated and an immense help.

Thanks in advance, -Phil

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