DirtRider . Net MX, SX, Arena Cross, Off-Road Community

This is the text version of DirtRider.Net
Click Here for the Full Version

Pages: 1

Final One- crf150r vs 250F
(Click here to view the original thread with full colors/images)

Posted by: LEllis7motox---------------------

Ok i know i have made a few of these before but Im getting a bike now, If i wanted i could get one today but i cant decide between these final two.

1) your physical size (both height and weight are important) 5"4
2) How physical / aggressive are you ? 7/10
3) what do you plan to ride- MX/SX tracks, woods, fields with friends or ????? MX track and Trails.
4) Do you have any riding experience? Yes about 3 years of real riding.
5) Do you think you will race ? No probably not.
6) Are you mechanically inclined and will you be doing your own bike work? Yes
7) Do YOU have a preferance to a brand/ motor choice (2 or 4 stroke)? 4 Stroke no 2 strokes, Any brand
8) Do you have a dealer close by your home that you might use and what brand(s) does he carry? Kawasaki, yamaha, suzuki, and honda.
9) How much ($) do you plan to spend on a bike? 2000-3000 used
10) Do you live in California?No
11) Your age? 14
12) anything else that you think would help form an opinion

I rode both the yz250f i might get and a crf150r... I love the 150r has plenty of power for me and i fit it will so i can handle it in the trails... I rode the 250f plenty of power... But its a 2003 yz250f (39.1 inch Seatheight) and i think its too big... I tried to start it once couldnt do that... Can barely barely touch, and im worried when im in the trails im going to stop alot and im gonna dump it, and dump it, and its hard to start for me. And i think thats it...

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

Make sure you budget for maintenance on the 150r. I think you are almost too short for the 250f. For what you want to do and your size I think a kx100 would be a great stepping stone for a year or two until you grow a few inches. Why are you against 2 strokes?

Posted by: LEllis7motox---------------------

Well im not so against two strokes my dad is... And just curious the kx100 and crf150r are the same size so why do u recomend a kx100? And the track i go to there are 2 crf150r's for sale a two 250F's so ill be getting one of them four... And i dont know why my dad doesnt like two strokes but i am a fan of four strokes anyway... Im guessing that he doesnt like the mixing gas/oil, more maintenance, etc

Posted by: Deadohiosky39---------------------

A KX100 is probably an inch to an inch and a half taller than the 150 i beleve. If money isnt an issue than get the 150 and you can buy a 250f next year but if money might be a problem or you think you are still growing then id go for the 250f. I was about your age and height when i got my first big bike (01 CR125). And I know the height is intimidating but give yourself an a day or two and it wont be a problem. Starting it would be the worst part but if you can get that down you'll be fine. And if you are ruling out the twostroke because of maintaince then you need to talk to some of the fourstroke owners around here. They aren't cheap at all to maintain.

Posted by: IndyMX---------------------

I'd much rather spend 300 bucks doing a complete rebuild on a two stroke, than $600 plus just to do the valves on a 4.

A complete rebuild, including valves, is probably closer to $1500. I could by a nice 125 for that much around here.

Mixing gas isn't such a big deal.

Posted by: LEllis7motox---------------------

Well we know that to, but he wants to buy one of those two bikes from the guys at my private track because he knows them and he knows they maintane there bikes good. Just to clarify the 150r we are looking at is a crf150RE i guess i should have said that above... But the 150RE is 34.1 the kx100 is 34.3. But the biggest thing im worried about is the trails.... I ride with my friends up there and i lead because i know the trails and every couple minutes i have to stop and wait for them and there usually slanted or all messed up so whenever i stop i am going to dump the 250f and i dont know if im going to be able to start it... Also theres smaller hill climbs we do so when i get to the top its slanted but i have to stop and wait for them to make it cuz we go one at a time. ( last time i went up and rolled right back down on my 125) So i dont know what to do...

Posted by: LEllis7motox---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by IndyMX

I'd much rather spend 300 bucks doing a complete rebuild on a two stroke, than $600 plus just to do the valves on a 4.

A complete rebuild, including valves, is probably closer to $1500. I could by a nice 125 for that much around here.

Mixing gas isn't such a big deal.

I dont know for sure since i never had a 2 stroke or anything but... Dont 2-stroke engines work twice as hard which means double the amount of maintanence? ( 300+300=600 )

Posted by: IndyMX---------------------

errr.. no.. you'd be wrong on that assumption.

The problem that you're having with it, is that you just don't understand the technology.

There are fewer moving parts in a 2 stroke engine than in a 4 stroke.

Most importantly, there are no valves in a 2stroke. There are also no cams, timing chains, oil pumps, tensioners or oil filters.

If any one of those parts fails on a 4 stroke, there is a very good chance that you will be doing a complete rebuild.

$1500 rebuild, not including labor costs if you don't do the work your self. Which, if you aren't familiar with the workings of an internal combustion engine, I wouldn't recommend.

Even in the most extreme case, most 2 strokes can be completely rebuilt for under $500.

You could rebuild a 2 stroke 3 times to every rebuild of a 4.

I am very well aware of the costs of dealing with a 4 stroke, because I have done just that.

You can ask Rich about the troubles I've had making mine run. It's been a major pain in my ...

Fortunately, I did all the work myself, which looking back, was probably part of the problem.

Posted by: LEllis7motox---------------------

Well im not exactly doing my own work... My dads friend at the track is teaching me how to do all my work soon... And anything i cant do or my brother (good at cars bikes etc) cant do people at my track will do for free or very little cost. But anyway ill look more into a two stroke. But Anyway the maintenance money is covered not worried about that, ive heard all about the price of maintenance but my dad doesnt care what it costs.

Posted by: Chili---------------------

Drop a valve in a 250F @ 10k RPM, I'm betting he'll care.

Posted by: LEllis7motox---------------------

Ok so what im getting here is that i should go with a 2 stroke?

Posted by: IndyMX---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by LEllis7motox

Ok so what im getting here is that i should go with a 2 stroke?

If you're concerned with maintenance costs, yes absolutely.

If you are also looking for a lower cost to get riding, yes, 2 stroke it is.

4 strokes are just plain expensive all the way around.

Plus, as an added benefit, you will learn how to ride better on a 2 stroke.

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

Look, what we're saying is if you have a ****-load of money so it doesn't matter if the timing chain breaks in a 4 stroke and ruins the entire engine and might cost more than you paid for the bike, by all means go with the 150r. Most kids just want what everyone at the track is riding so that's what they get. Sure, Dad might not mind doing oil changes, but a couple grand in parts to rebuild a grenaded 150r might irk him a bit. If you ran a kx100 on straight gas and siezed the whole motor, top and bottom, you might have 500 bucks in parts including a replate. And EVERY moving engine part (minus the power valve) is brand new.

Do as you wish.

Posted by: Chili---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by LEllis7motox

Ok so what im getting here is that i should go with a 2 stroke?

Not necessarily. If your Dad is leaning towards a 4 stroke because he thinks it will require a maintenance schedule like an old XR then yes go 2 stroke because you will destroy the 4 stroke and his wallet. If you are prepared to maintain the bike to the highest degree then you'll be fine with a 150R or 250F.

That being said unless it was from Rich Rohrich, the odds I'd ever buy a used 4 stroke are similar to that of winning the lottery.

Posted by: IndyMX---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chili

That being said unless it was from Rich Rohrich, the odds I'd ever buy a used 4 stroke are similar to that of winning the lottery.

I did buy a used 4 stroke, and not from Rich. And I regret it, for the most part.

The motor is almost completely rebuilt, with the exception of the crank & valves. And it cost me a small fortune to do it.

If I had it to do over again, I'd probably pass on it.

Have your dad read this thread, and then see if he changes his mind.

Posted by: LEllis7motox---------------------

OK, now i understand the whole price situation and all that... Kx100 or 150r, 125 or 250f, Should i be getting a full sized bike (250f, 125 2t) or a 150re or kx100?

Im not asking between a 150re and a kx100 what im trying to find out is what size bike i need now, full sized or smaller sized?

Oh and i forgot to add, We wouldnt ever buy a bike from a owner we do not know... The 250f is from one of the best riders up there (they say he coulda rode the pros lower class) and he keeps it well maintained, The 150r if we got one would be from one of the bested kid racers in NY or in the nation (ranked 1st NY and 5th nation for supermini) and im not saying there well maintained just because good riders used them, we know them well and know how much they work on them, etc.

But thanks for all the fast replies

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

Again, it depends on the money situation.

Right now a 150r/100 would be best.

Posted by: justalonewolf007---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by _JOE_

Again, it depends on the money situation.

Right now a 150r/100 would be best.

I'd have to agree. I picked up a CR 125, and haven't had the time to mod it for height. I can ride it, but at 5'2" I'm barely managing it, and struggling a LOT (I miss my faithful little 80RB).

I can hardly load the thing without help. And I'm pretty sure that when I fall in a race, it's going to be a very big struggle picking things up (might cost me the rest of the race). At this point, I'm wishing I had gone with a smaller bike just due to the weight and reach problems I have.

When I load it, I absolutely HAVE to use two ramps, as once the front wheel is on the trailer, I lose my ability to reach and feather the clutch. It either dies and falls on me, or I drop the clutch and it drags us both on to the trailer, and into the trunk of my car (Yes, it was funny after the fact...after I found someone to help me unwedge the front wheel from car).

Posted by: LEllis7motox---------------------

Well maybe since season is almost ending... I can wait until next year and see if i grow or whatever... Im only heading to the track a couple more times this year... Then maybe some ice riding this winter for the first time but i can use my little 125L for that,

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

Now that sounds a little more sensible. Do yourself and your father a favor and try to save up a couple thousand more dollars over the winter and look for a leftover 07 or 08 250f in the spring. You're much better off starting new with a 250f. If that doesn't seem do-able think about a 125. They're cheap used and make a very competitive ride with a 144 kit. Just keep in mind that moving parts wear out. 2 strokes have less things to wear out.

Posted by: robwbright---------------------

Honda East Toledo is selling new 2008 RM-Z 250s for $4875 BUY IT NOW on e b a y. Look it up.

I'm going to be tempted to buy one in a couple weeks if this case I'm working on settles for the amount I think it will . . .

Posted by: LEllis7motox---------------------

Wow great deal... But know way in **** would he every get a bike off ebay... Or even use a credit card...

Wow i was just looking at suzuki.com just to check out the bike... Wow, i want it. I love Suzuki.

Posted by: fmfsv5---------------------

my friend has a crf 150 and he loves it and he says it has a lot of power but it is really heavy when it is completely on its side and yea you are better off with the crf 150

Posted by: LEllis7motox---------------------

Yeah the 150r is heavy for its size... But when i dumped the 250f (tipped over) i lifted it up... a little heavy but i could handle lifting it = ]

Posted by: flyingfuzzball---------------------

the 150R is heavy.....yea ok.

the 150F is heavy but the 150R is light!

Posted by: LEllis7motox---------------------

The 150r is 190 pounds... The 250f is 220 pounds... My 125L is like 160 pounds...

Im not saying its heavy but its heavy for its size... The kx100 is 149 pounds. Actually the new ones are 156 pounds

Posted by: flyingfuzzball---------------------

there was no way my old 150R was 190!

there it is (i couldnt find the weight for the 2008 cuz the dealer sight says TBD)

but the 07 is Dry Weight: 165.3 pounds thats no the expert but i dont think the difference is much.

EDIT*** the expert is 4 pounds more at 169,7

Posted by: LEllis7motox---------------------

Yeah i remember searching the 150r's and they were almost as light as the kx100... But yeah the new ones are 190lbs.

Posted by: jackflack44---------------------

Go with the KX100 I love mine!

its so much fun and the powerband is sweet

Posted by: flyingfuzzball---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by LEllis7motox

Yeah i remember searching the 150r's and they were almost as light as the kx100... But yeah the new ones are 190lbs.

new as in 2008 or 2009 cuz i dont think the 2009 stats are out.

i later found the 2008 stats and it only went up 2 pounds. (or something like that it was 75 KG which is about the same in pounds i converted it)

i dont know whos telling you its 190.

Posted by: LEllis7motox---------------------

No one is telling me its 190lbs besides honda.com. Check it out, http://powersports.honda.com/motorc...odelId=CRF150R8 Thats the 2008 but 2009 is the same weight just click 09 to see the 09. That one is 185lbs but the expert is 190lbs.

Posted by: robwbright---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by LEllis7motox

Wow great deal... But know way in **** would he every get a bike off ebay... Or even use a credit card...

Wow i was just looking at suzuki.com just to check out the bike... Wow, i want it. I love Suzuki.

Umm it's close enough for me to drive. . .

They're a huge dealer.

I'm a lawyer. If they want to screw me over, they'll regret it.

Posted by: LEllis7motox---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by robwbright

Umm it's close enough for me to drive. . .

They're a huge dealer.

I'm a lawyer. If they want to screw me over, they'll regret it.

Haha, 1 day left right? If you get it let me know how it is

Posted by: LEllis7motox---------------------

Well i think we found a deal too good to let go of... My dads friend is selling a 2006 RMZ250F for 1800... Never raced, and said in good condition... Im going to check it out one of these days, maybe tomorrow and taking a more knowleged rider with us to check it out see what kind of condition its in... I really like the suzukis and there smaller than the yz250f's

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

For that kinda money I would probly have the motor completely re-done bottom up. Then you know what you got.

Posted by: IndyMX---------------------

Just because it's been raced or not been raced, means nothing.

It can easily be hammered on just play riding. Just as much as it could have been taken very good care of and raced.

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

My bike gets beat less on the track as I'm usually more concerned with being in the correct line and I have no use for all the power on the track. It's when we get out on some wide open trail that the bike gets cranked up. You'll never see me bangin through the gears with the throttle pinned on the track! It's more of a finess thing for me.

Text Version Home

This is the text version of DirtRider.Net Click Here for the Full Version

Final One- crf150r vs 250F

This is the text version of DirtRider.Net
Click Here for the Full Version