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Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

the ones i know of are the cr 500 and the yz 490. are there any other bigbore 2-stroke dirtbikes? what one handles the best? what one has the most power with a pipe? i am going to have $2000 to spend on a dirtbike around october and im trying to find out what one is the best. thanks for any help you can give me.

Posted by: Matt90GT---------------------

KX500 from Kawasaki.

TM and Maico also make big bores along with ATK

They are all outdated. THe Yz490 is not even water cooled. THe KX500 has power valves, so a bit better power band, but the ergos are 1986. At least the CR500 has mid 90s ergos on them. The cr500 has a steel bore and no power valves. Very cheap maintenance.

But best thing to get a MPS or Service Honda AF unit. Current aluminum frame from a CRF or KXF with a 500 motor in it.

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

if i could afford it, i would get one of them! but i will only have the $2000 to get something because im still in highschool and without a job. im getting the money from social security, so unfortunately i wont have anymore to spend. what is the difference between the seating on the yz 490, the cr 500, and the kx 500? i have seen several 490's going really cheap, so i could spend money on gear and upgrades for it. does the 490 overheat more than the liquid cooled 2-strokes? i know it will have less power being air cooled, but a bike that size will have as much power as i can use. my main consern is the handling and overheating. i do alot of woods riding and trails. how could i make them handle better if i got one for less than $2000?

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

Ok, let me get this straight. You're a high school kid who trail rides and you want a 500. I hope you have been riding since you were in diapers cause you will seriously injure yourself in the woods with a 500. A friend of mine bought a cr500 when I was in 11th grade. I would take a group of us to get it started when cold, compression is impressive. Once running it would either pitch us off, or loft the front end and go straight for the neerest tree. The bike (or one of us) was ALWAYS broken. Ever try to ride a 500 with no clutch lever?

Seriously, look for a bike you can enjoy, not be scared of. I know there's always the desire to have the "fastest bike" but it is not the bike that goes fast, it is the rider. Wanna really impress your buddies? Go get a small bike and learn to ride it really fast. Then you can smoke all of them on big bikes through the woods. The second fastest kid I rode with in high school was on an XR100. He could SMOKE guys on full size MXers through the woods.

Posted by: RM85rider123---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by _JOE_

Ok, let me get this straight. You're a high school kid who trail rides and you want a 500. I hope you have been riding since you were in diapers cause you will seriously injure yourself in the woods with a 500. A friend of mine bought a cr500 when I was in 11th grade. I would take a group of us to get it started when cold, compression is impressive. Once running it would either pitch us off, or loft the front end and go straight for the neerest tree. The bike (or one of us) was ALWAYS broken. Ever try to ride a 500 with no clutch lever?

Seriously, look for a bike you can enjoy, not be scared of. I know there's always the desire to have the "fastest bike" but it is not the bike that goes fast, it is the rider. Wanna really impress your buddies? Go get a small bike and learn to ride it really fast. Then you can smoke all of them on big bikes through the woods. The second fastest kid I rode with in high school was on an XR100. He could SMOKE guys on full size MXers through the woods.

Me and my friend can beat 450's in harescramble trails on our 85's

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

the reason i want a 500 is because im not the smallest guy around.(gonna be 19 in october, 6'1 and 255lbs) plus, when i was riding my friends 250 rmx, it didnt have the low end power that i wanted. so i figure a 500 will have more power down low and alot more when the powerband kicks in. but i dont want to get a 4-stroke because it will cost more when it breaks down, and doesnt have that arm pulling hit like a 2-stroke.

i know i could always put a bigger sprocket on the back of a 250 and make it work, but im really looking to get a 500.

Posted by: RM85rider123---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbear08

the reason i want a 500 is because im not the smallest guy around.(gonna be 19 in october, 6'1 and 255lbs) plus, when i was riding my friends 250 rmx, it didnt have the low end power that i wanted. so i figure a 500 will have more power down low and alot more when the powerband kicks in. but i dont want to get a 4-stroke because it will cost more when it breaks down, and doesnt have that arm pulling hit like a 2-stroke.

i know i could always put a bigger sprocket on the back of a 250 and make it work, but im really looking to get a 500.

It depends on how much experience you have. That 250 should have pulled you around just fine, if not, something was wrong with it. so anyways, how much experience do you have? If the only thing you have ridden is the rmx250, you are definitley not ready for a 500. Another choice could be the KTM 300, but that would cost more.

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

the 250 rmx does pull me good, but i want a bigger 2-stroke . i do have a an 84 yamaha xt 250 4-stroke, but thats in pieces on my bench. how much more low end power does a 500 have over a 250?

Posted by: RM85rider123---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbear08

the 250 rmx does pull me good, but i want a bigger 2-stroke . i do have a an 84 yamaha xt 250 4-stroke, but thats in pieces on my bench. how much more low end power does a 500 have over a 250?

tons more. If you know anyone that owns one, try to ask them if you can ride it. I am not saying you can't handle it or anything, just that you would probably want something else that is'nt as punishing. You can buy one if you want to, just remember that it is a VERY strong bike

Posted by: J-man---------------------

Look into a 250, It would do you way better. Something was off on the one you had ridden before because a 250 will be able to throw anyone around. A 500 is just too much for someone who is going to be riding in the woods with little to no experience.

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

i wish i knew someone that had a 500, but i dont.

Posted by: plynn41---------------------

Dude, I don't want to talk down to you--REALLY. But I think from reading your posts that you would be ill-advised to get any big-bore 2 stroke. I understand the macho thing and I'm a sucker for wanting the baddest bike in a group. But really, you won't be happy with a 500, and you'll end up looking silly. Good luck with whatever you get.

Posted by: jb_dallas---------------------

BB, listen to these guys. There is alot of experience on this thread telling you not to buy a 500 2 stroke...think about that. Do you think all of these people on this thread are wrong? Only experienced riders should even saddle up to a big bore 2 stroke for a test ride. I have been riding on and off for about 26 years and I wouldnt buy a 2 stroke 500....even if they still made them. Just because you are big, doesnt mean you need 56 horsepower. If your mind is set on a 2 stroke, buy a 250 and be done. Just like many have said, a fast bike doesnt make you ride faster if you cant control the power...it just makes you more dangerous. I have a YZ400F and have been smoked by smaller bikes....its all about the rider.

Posted by: plynn41---------------------

Think about this: What is going to bring you the most pleasure? 1)Having the baddest bike in town, or 2)Being able to ride effectively and smoothly.

If the answer is #1, then buy any old big bore 2 stroke and a good insurance plan. If the answer is #2, then get a 250 2T or 450F.

I guess it's all about what makes you happy. But I'd bet a tankful of premix that you'd enjoy your riding alot more if you take route #2.

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

if i were to get a 450 4-stroke, what would i be looking at maintenance wise on one? how often would the valves need to be adjusted? i did see a 2002 ktm 520 4-stroke that was close to my price range, but doubt it will be there long. the other 450's that are close to $2000 are yz 450's. how are they for maintenance?

Posted by: plynn41---------------------

I don't have one, so I'm not the best to answer. But I've been told by those who trail ride them that they can get by with servicing the valves once a year. Obviously, this isn't true for one that gets seriously raced. But let someone else who's got one tell you...
BTW, I'm 200 pounds, been riding for 40 years, and my cr250r is more than I can handle, and I think it would carry you plenty fast.

Posted by: jb_dallas---------------------

I would imagine a 450F would be out of your price range...especially if you factor in a helmet and boots, at a minimum. New generation 4 strokes are really high maintenance....that is why I recommended a 250 2 stroke.

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

i have seen a 450 4-stroke going for $2150 on the want ad digest, but i would still have to get some good boots. i do have helmets to use though. if i cant get a 450 4-stroke, i will probably be getting a 500 2-stroke because during some hill climbs, the 250's powerband makes it kinda outa control. so i figure a 500 would have more down low power like a 4-stroke, and i would be able to control it better than a 250 because of this.

Posted by: jb_dallas---------------------

Get a good insurance plan. There is only so much we can do, good luck.

Posted by: gwcrim---------------------

I own a KX500 and it's hard to tell you not to buy one BUT it's not the best beginners bike for sure. Cut your teeth on a 250 for a season or two then move up if you still feel the need. 500s are the bitchenest!

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

is the 500 power as abrupt as a 250? even if it is, it has to have more power than a 250 when not in the powerband. i have been riding atvs/atcs since i was 10 years old, so i dont think im lacking experience.

Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbear08

i i have been riding atvs/atcs since i was 10 years old, so i dont think im lacking experience.

We'll be sure and tell that to the MediVac pilot as they are taking you away.

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

A 500 is in NO WAY easier to ride than a 250. A modern 250 with a power valve will be a MUCH more rideable trail bike. The hit can be smoothed very effectively with tuning and inexpensive mods.

I am done with this thread, good luck.

Posted by: J-man---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by _JOE_

I am done with this thread, good luck.

Im right behind ya on that.

ATV's are nothing, they are crap and give you no experience when you move over to bikes. You think that a 500 will be nicer climbing up hills? ARE YOU HIGH? A 500 will throw you off the back going up a hill, That is if you can make it to the hill alive. Everyone on this thread is telling you not to do it, Does it occur that there might be a reason for that. Just consider the 250 and you will be much safer and have more fun.

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

ok, if i were to get a 250 2-stroke, what one has the best handling? i really liked the handling of my 84 xt 250, all it needed was a better engine(mine is on the bench in pieces). i figure i could just spend the money i was going to use on that bike to get a better(newer) bike. what 250TS would have the best handling for a person my size?(6'1 250lbs) if i got a 250TS that handles corners good i would be satisfied with the power of it. its just that i dont want it to corner like my friends RMX 250. his bike feels VERY top heavy compared to the xt 250. can i just get a lowering kit and some better valving/spring to get the bike i want? if so, that is all i need.

Posted by: mongial---------------------

If you liked the xt 250 the best bike for you would be a Honda XR 400 period. Butt loads of bottom end power, climb anything you point it at, and still plenty of get up and go. Just my $0.02

Posted by: cr125matt---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbear08

i know i could always put a bigger sprocket on the back of a 250 and make it work, but im really looking to get a 500.

first off a 2 stroke has more top end then bottom end and to be honest a 450 4 stroke would probably be best for you

Posted by: GoldDrum---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by mongial

If you liked the xt 250 the best bike for you would be a Honda XR 400 period. Butt loads of bottom end power, climb anything you point it at, and still plenty of get up and go. Just my $0.02

I am about 200 - 210 and have a 2001 XR400, it is a great bike for teails or about anything you want and it definately has the power. It is not a great track bike, but will move you plenty good wherever. I have lined up with a buddy on a TRX450R quad and in 2nd gear stood my bike up on end, did not drop the front tire until I shifted into 3rd gear. For what ou are using it for that would be your best bet and within your price range. Mine is stock too.

Posted by: mdavidso---------------------

I own a KX500, yeah it's the baddest bike around, BUT IN NO WAY WILL I EVER POINT IT AT A LITTLE TRAIL UPHILL AND GRAB A HANDFULL!!!!

Bad enough the throttle stuck in a field and blew me over.

well lets add up the total, sub frame-$170, new seat-$100? Handle bars-$35, new pipe-$220, new silencer-$170. Bad at math, but up there by the $600 to fix the damn thing. Yeah it still runs but good luck with the broken pipe and silencer. POINT is get a 250 2 stroke, or a 450 4 stroke. thats it thats all.

my 2 cents

Posted by: GoldDrum---------------------

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Originally Posted by lpalmer80

it is a 99 rm 125 . the petcock looking thing is the powervalve spring adjuster. thanks for the help.

i never thought that a 125 would run as hard as it does with me (not a small guy 6'1'' 250) on it. FUN FUN FUN!!!

going to try and figure out the jetting. i repacked the silencer and it was SPOOGED up bad. weighed twice as much before repacking. that should help it run better right?

when you change oil in the gear box what should i look for to give me an idea about problems internally i may be having before they get serious?

If you go to the 2stroke forum, this was put in by a user. If you see, he is about your size and says he is on a 125 2 stroker and it runs hard.

Posted by: Arcnsparks---------------------

Ok, here's what you need...I'm pretty much your twin as far as size goes 6'1" 255lbs. My trail rig is a '92 YZ250 - $650 added a FMF fatty, turbincore2 silencer, Vforce3 reeds, asv shorty levers and new cables. I removed to jug and gave the powervalve and head a de-carbonization treatment. All this for just over $1500. Throw in some Answer gear, Fly Racing boots and a HJC Brain bucket and you're tearing it up while looking good and you still have some funds left over for your first 5gal can of 32:1 Rocketfuel.

And now for the fun part...a 12pack says the first time you get on it and let all those goodies do their thing, you find yourself getting up and walking back over to pick up your new bike out of the dirt :D

Posted by: plynn41---------------------

Hey, he's only 19! You can't be betting him a 12pack! And in that line of thought, I wonder if there ought to be a law that keeps folks under the age of 21 (excepting professional riders) from owning and riding big bore 2-strokes?

BTW, the yz250 sounds like a great ride.

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by plynn41

Hey, he's only 19! You can't be betting him a 12pack! And in that line of thought, I wonder if there ought to be a law that keeps folks under the age of 21 (excepting professional riders) from owning and riding big bore 2-strokes?

BTW, the yz250 sounds like a great ride.

Oh boy, another future politician......

On a side note, I drank more in highschool than I do now. And beer was much harder to get.

Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

Any late 70's 250 smoker will handle better than your 84xt, as long as the suspension is set up. The first generation 4 strokes that meet your money range, you need to factor in a grand to make SURE the engine is up to par, then 250~650 on the suspension. Pick up a mid 80's 250 smoker, go through the engine(350~400), and set up the suspension(250~650). The 500 smoker is a dead issue. Pretty good chance if you look hard enough, you can find a 250 smoker that has already been trail de-tuned. A big bore thumper trail bike is what you really sound like you need? Going through the engine is cheap for parts, and the suspension is pretty basic. Do tell why the xt is still on the bench?

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

i bought the bike for $400 a while back. i didnt take the time to look it over good enough and found out it needed a bunch of work. just never had enough money to fix it. i think im leaning more towards a 4-stroke because i like the down low power of them.

Posted by: John.Jr---------------------

Hey BigB, I have a 01KX500 and it is a lot of bike but it is tons of fun,the powerband is awesome and it is not for a beginner!!!!Y ou just cant hop on it and ride it like a 100.Be careful if you get it,JohnJr

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

i think that im going to look for an xr 400. seems like it would be perfect for me, reliable and powerful. what kind of mods can you do to them?

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

The best mod for an XR400 is a talented rider.

Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

You could hop up the motor, and have shorter maintenance times than the crf's. Hop up the suspension, and haul!

Posted by: John.Jr---------------------

Hey BigBear the only problem to me about buying an older BORESTROKE I mean fourstroke is parts availibility,how are the valves,timing chain,tensioner,piston,rings,cylinder.To me go with the two-stoke and take it easy to you get to know it better.I got an 01 KX500, I weigh about 170 5'7" height and the bike goes where it wants to go (The Time Machine) I just putt around with it when I get a chanch to ride it. No jumps and drinking allowed

Posted by: ethayer---------------------

Im 6'2 220 lbs and I just bought myself an 85 RM250 2smoke, cant wait to ride, While riding my friend's 250 I had no problems, besides going too fast...Not smart taking a tricky corner really really fast.

Posted by: brentn---------------------

The worst part about decisions like these when you are inexperienced is that when you want a bike that's not right for you, you just don't care and it doesn't matter what other people say. I've been this way before, and thank god that I never had the cash to fulfill what I wanted to buy because I'd probably be dead right now.

BB, you said that you want a 4 stroke because of the bottom end, good choice. But I bet your still thinking about that 500 :D

You really need to ride one, I've had the opportunity to ride bikes that I wanted that people told me were too big for me when I was younger. I remember thats all I could think about "damn I want that bike" and the day finally came when I tested it out and I changed my mind just like that. 6 months of looking up specs, mods, you name it, and after a 20 minute ride, I reconsidered just like that even though my friends and family were saying that it wasn't a good idea for 6 months :D

Try one out if you can before you buy, thats the best advice and others have recommended it too.

Posted by: Gunning---------------------

Hey BB, so whats the virdict? 250 TwoStroke, 400 Four Stroke or RIP

Posted by: GoldDrum---------------------

I see he chose wise and opened another discussion about an XR400. Look under 4stroke

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbear08

im going to look for one of these and im curious if there is anything to look out for on one when buying. what should i check when looking for one? thanks in advance.

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

thanks for all the info you guys gave me, but i think im going to get a new 4-wheeler instead. i got to ride my friends 750 kingquad and man does that thing has some power! going to trade in my bigbear and the $2000 for a down payment. most of the trails around here i think are better for a 4-wheeler anyways. i figure i can always buy a dirtbike next summer. thanks again everyone.

Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

Good luck with the 90mph couch.

Posted by: Moparman1539---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbear08

thanks for all the info you guys gave me, but i think im going to get a new 4-wheeler instead. i got to ride my friends 750 kingquad and man does that thing has some power! going to trade in my bigbear and the $2000 for a down payment. most of the trails around here i think are better for a 4-wheeler anyways. i figure i can always buy a dirtbike next summer. thanks again everyone.

Well, I'm not goign to bag on your decision. But I could ride a trial way faster on a bike than on a quad. And a Utility quad? Thats even worse... why not get a more sporty quad? like a TRX450r or something? not a utility one. Unless you'll be farming or something...

If your interested ill sell you a lovely 1999 YZ250 Freshly rebuilt motor. $1800 cash???? And you would still have $200 to get yourself a chest protector or boots or something.

_JOE_ - i'm getting the motor this weekend. we need to pick a weekend to go riding

Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

Get on Trex about the where and when date on the Dirtweek?

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

i do alot of work around the house with my bigbear already, so thats the reasoning for a utility. i need a 4wd, but the kingquad has enough speed and power to scratch the itch. lol

Posted by: Panhead---------------------

If you still want a 500, I have a 03 KX 500 for sale. Still has the original front tire. Hasn't seen alot of use. I'll let you have it for 2500.00.

Some of us just have to learn the hard way. Its a mans bike. You need to know how to ride in the dirt to own this thing or you will be paying the Dr.

Disclaimer: Not responsible for broken bones or torn ligaments. Good gear is required for putting bike in motion.

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

that is tempting, but i would have to go a LONG ways to get it. lol. and i think i changed my mind again. the polaris sportsman 850 xp has more suspention travel and 30 hp more than the kingquad, so thats what im looking at now. thanks everyoe for all the help and info you have given me.

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

well, i just got done putting my friends rmx 250 back together and he let me take it for a ride. i totally forgot how much fun a 250 2-stroke dirtbike is! so now im going to try and find an aluminum framed 250 2-stroke because i will still have my bigbear, and i could have a nice dirtbike too. is there any older dirtbike thats a specific brand that is better or worse than the others? lol, it really is faster to get down the trails on a dirtbike!

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

The Honda CR is the only older aluminum framed 250 smoker. What's wrong with steel frames?

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

never said anything is wrong with steel frames, i just think that aluminum looks better then steel. is there any weight savings or other advantages by going with aluminum over steel?

Posted by: cr125matt---------------------

weight is deffinantly alot better than steel, but steel is alot stronger. Honda cr is the way to go

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

i just got back from riding with some friends, and got to ride an aluminum framed cr250r in a sand pit. WAY MORE power than my friends rmx 250. we found out that his rmx has a throttle limiter built into the carb so it has no where near the power it should! LOL, now see why you guys said not to get the 500! the rmx is only getting use out of about half of the throttle it has because of that limiter. defininetaly going to get a 250 2-stroke now. the cool part though, is that the suspention on the 250r was already valved for my weight! i noticed though, that on the 250r, it had alot of handlebar shake. other than that, its an awesome bike. would the 250r still have that shake with the stock suspention? if it does, what can be done to stop it, and what could be causing it?

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

Headshake is usually caused by improper shock sag or worn bearings in the front end. A bent front wheel won't help either.

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

i just found a killer deal on an 88 kx 500 so im getting it next tuesday if its still there. the guy is selling it for $500 and it was just rebuilt! i figure even if it does need work, its still worth it. i just cant pass this up!

Posted by: ethayer---------------------

I'm jealous. Really jealous. Lucky *******.

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

like i said, if its still there. got the answering machine when i called him, so gotta wait and see.

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

GRRRR! it was sold last thursday.

it was on craigslist for 5 days.i'll have to keep looking i guess.

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

I'll watch for you on the news......

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

i can never pass up a good deal when i see it. that would have saved alot of money getting that kx, but seeing as how it was already sold, im getting something else. what i get depends on what kind of deal i get.

Posted by: GoldDrum---------------------

Isn't this close to you? Perfect, just rebuilt.

http://utica.craigslist.org/mcy/1305227545.html

Posted by: bigbear08---------------------

thats close enough for me, just gotta wait till october when i get the $2000. but that would probably be gone by then. i'll have to look for a bike when i get the cash.

Posted by: ws6transam---------------------

No message. I see the KX is already sold. Too bad you missed it. The deals are out there if you keep looking.

Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

I wept like a little girl, CR500 engine installed into a CR250 frame, not an AF, but? The engine was like a 98 and the frame was newer. It looked mint. I ran my lunch money up as far as I could go, missed by 300 bucks, it sold for 1500. I gotta quit going to them 15 dollar a plate yuppie joints for lunch? OR, get rid of the ball and chain, no wait, that usually costs even more. PB and jelly for a month, again. I really want the KX 500 anyway.

Posted by: ws6transam---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by whenfoxforks-ruled

I wept like a little girl, CR500 engine installed into a CR250 frame, not an AF, but? The engine was like a 98 and the frame was newer. It looked mint. I ran my lunch money up as far as I could go, missed by 300 bucks, it sold for 1500. I gotta quit going to them 15 dollar a plate yuppie joints for lunch? OR, get rid of the ball and chain, no wait, that usually costs even more. PB and jelly for a month, again. I really want the KX 500 anyway.

Ow, ow, ow, I feel your pain!

Doctor Dirt prescribes two laps around the sand bowl, then a long full throttle blast up the fire road. That'll make you feel better!

Posted by: jb_dallas---------------------

One thing is certain, BB, you have learned absolutely nothing in the 7 pages of comments on this never ending thread. If you buy a 500 and end up in the hospital, you only have yourself to blame. One thing I dont understand are the folks on this thread encouraging you to buy a 500...its the blind leading the blind.

Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

I can kill myself on a 125, just as easy as a 500, bottom line. Fear and common sense usually take control. If he was really wanting a quick ride to the er, get a 450f! BB was about to buy a quad, a vespa scooter would be an upgrade!

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by whenfoxforks-ruled

I can kill myself on a 125, just as easy as a 500, bottom line. Fear and common sense usually take control.

Yes Bob, I'm sure YOU could ride a 500 as effectively as any bike. That has alot to do with your.....uh.....seat time.

Posted by: jb_dallas---------------------

I would agree with Joe about seat time. Remind me again how much seat time BB has? I disagree about killing yourself as easily on a 125 vs a 500..that was a joke right? I also disagree with the comment about common sense kicking in...that cant be assumed with all riders..especially an 18 year old. A 125 [B]is a Vespa scooter compared to a 500 2t.

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

Nah, those of us who have a bit of common sense realize the potential for disaster on a 500 and if we have any reason to live we treat the machine with utmost respect. On the other hand, when we hop on a 125 2stroke we tend to see just how hard we wring the little pinger out. I usually go faster on a smaller bike, but I'm no professional racer or anything. Mistakes turn into accidents much quicker as you increase hp.

Posted by: madmike90---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by _JOE_

Nah, those of us who have a bit of common sense realize the potential for disaster on a 500 and if we have any reason to live we treat the machine with utmost respect. On the other hand, when we hop on a 125 2stroke we tend to see just how hard we wring the little pinger out. I usually go faster on a smaller bike, but I'm no professional racer or anything. Mistakes turn into accidents much quicker as you increase hp.

all the more reason to make no mistakes

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by madmike90

all the more reason to make no mistakes

Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

If the person does not have enough common sense to know when they are over their head, so be it. How the heck did this get about me? It would take some dolt great experience to drive 100 feet flat out on a 125, and into a brick wall? And what about cleansing the gene pool, all of a sudden we are turning into tree huggers? There are those that have no business on motorcycles. Just like I have no business with a machine gun, or two. There is one heck of a list of riders busted up on 450f's, good riders. They should have been riding 250f's? What the heck? Slower throttle rotation, boat anchor rotor, change the gearing, and a huge California approved silencer and it would make a great trail bike. Run for ever.

Posted by: BobRock---------------------

Get a clean 250. I weigh more than you and my '03 kx250 rips stone stock with me on it

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