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Shooters at Fort Hood!

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Posted by: Patman---------------------

http://www.news8austin.com/content/...asp?ArID=257773


Posted by: RM_guy---------------------

It's a sad day for sure.


Posted by: SS109---------------------

This is extremely sad news. I need to make some calls as I have a cousin that is (last I knew) stationed there.

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...that the shooter, Major Malik Nadal Hasan...

What a shock.


Posted by: Chili---------------------

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Originally Posted by SS109
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...that the shooter, Major Malik Nadal Hasan...


What a shock.


I agree, what a shock the shooter was a Major.


Posted by: RM_guy---------------------

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Originally Posted by Chili
I agree, what a shock the shooter was a Major.
...and a psychiatrist to boot...


Posted by: SS109---------------------

He was upset about being deployed, was against the war, made some rather concerning statements about suicide bombers and that the people in Iraq/Afghanistan should fight the "aggressor" (the U.S.). Yeah, his belief system played no part in it.

Sorry, but I call them like I see them.


Posted by: Patman---------------------

Firing squad for him!


Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

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Originally Posted by Patman
Firing squad for him!


Instead, he will get the best medical care we can provide, followed by a monumentally expensive trial (a court martial will be proclaimed unfair). Six years from now, he'll get sentenced to life in prison.

From what I hear, he got a tax payer funded education through medical shool, too.


Posted by: Chili---------------------

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Originally Posted by SS109
He was upset about being deployed, was against the war, made some rather concerning statements about suicide bombers and that the people in Iraq/Afghanistan should fight the "aggressor" (the U.S.). Yeah, his belief system played no part in it.

Sorry, but I call them like I see them.


Every bit of that is "alleged" and was over 6 months ago with no action on the part of the investigators who would only speak anonymously.

I see someone who took an Arab name and made the instant leap to terrorist, had the guy who snapped been Joe Smith I doubt you'd give that angle a second thought. That's how I see it.


Posted by: Patman---------------------

Frankly I don't care what color, sex, or religion this could set a standard that needs to be nipped in the bud. He was in the military, was more than willing to accept a paid for education and future retirement therefore he gets to accept the same punishment he was willing to dole out, a life sentence is a joke for something like this, a slap in the face to everyone.


Posted by: Jaybird---------------------

If he doesn't swing from a rope just prior to meeting allah and his 72 boyfriends, there is no justice.

I say, profile early and often...but that's just me.


Posted by: ws6transam---------------------

Isn't there a charge called "treason", and a uniform code of military justice? What's the latest position of the military on the concept of capital punishment? It sure seems like a good idea to use it in this case.

Know what: We see more & more of this kind of stuff going on, not because of the easy-to-find access to guns, but because we aren't teaching people how to resolve conflicts properly. You can teach an hour of conflict management in school, over and over, but when some guy goes home to watch four hours of prime time TV murder shows, guess which form of conflict resolution he remembers best? Hard to say, but I do know one thing: This guy was single and should have worked his frustrations out on a dirtbike, then gone home tired & happy.


Posted by: Chili---------------------

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Originally Posted by Patman
Frankly I don't care what color, sex, or religion this could set a standard that needs to be nipped in the bud. He was in the military, was more than willing to accept a paid for education and future retirement therefore he gets to accept the same punishment he was willing to dole out, a life sentence is a joke for something like this, a slap in the face to everyone.


Agreed.


Posted by: MXSparx---------------------

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Originally Posted by dirt bike dave
Six years from now, he'll get sentenced to life in prison.


Doesn't Texas still have the death penalty? I think they do. If not send him back to his home state of Virginia, beause we still do


Posted by: Chili---------------------

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Originally Posted by MXSparx
Doesn't Texas still have the death penalty? I think they do. If not send him back to his home state of Virginia, beause we still do



I have no knowledge of US Military stuff but wouldn't they have Jurisdiction over this matter? Would the law and penalties differ?


Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

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Originally Posted by Chili
I have no knowledge of US Military stuff but wouldn't they have Jurisdiction over this matter? Would the law and penalties differ?


The military should have jurisdiction, but you never know anymore. FWIW, there has been a strong push to put enemy combatants into the regular justice system, with the same rights to defense any US citizen has.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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Originally Posted by Chili
I have no knowledge of US Military stuff but wouldn't they have Jurisdiction over this matter? Would the law and penalties differ?

Yes, he'll have to deal with Uniform Code of Military Justice ... He won't be getting any love from the public sector.


Posted by: SS109---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chili
Every bit of that is "alleged" and was over 6 months ago with no action on the part of the investigators who would only speak anonymously.

I see someone who took an Arab name and made the instant leap to terrorist, had the guy who snapped been Joe Smith I doubt you'd give that angle a second thought. That's how I see it.

Hey, I just go by the info the news gives me. Not that they get things right but that is all the info I have to go on. Considering the info given I think my conclusion is fair. However, how you see it is right as well. It just differs from mine.

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Originally Posted by Okiewan
Yes, he'll have to deal with Uniform Code of Military Justice ... He won't be getting any love from the public sector.

From what has been reported (again, if the news is correct), he killed a civilian and, therefore, could also be prosecuted under laws of the state in which the crime was committed.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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Originally Posted by SS109
Hey, I just go by the info the news gives me. Not that they get things right but that is all the info I have to go on. Considering the info given I think my conclusion is fair. However, how you see it is right as well. It just differs from mine.


From what has been reported (again, if the news is correct), he killed a civilian and, therefore, could also be prosecuted under laws of the state in which the crime was committed.


Why would you want that? Civi court sucks... he committed the crime on a base, UCMJ baby. But then again, I'd rather he get to spend a nice long life, loced-up and missing allah and his 70 virgins.


Posted by: SS109---------------------

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Originally Posted by Okiewan
Why would you want that? Civi court sucks... he committed the crime on a base, UCMJ baby. But then again, I'd rather he get to spend a nice long life, loced-up and missing allah and his 70 virgins.

I don't. Just saying that the civilian authorities can have a stab at him as well. However, if he did end up in a civilian prison he wouldn't get his 70 virgins before he got his 70 "Bubbas"!


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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Originally Posted by SS109
I don't. Just saying that the civilian authorities can have a stab at him as well. However, if he did end up in a civilian prison he wouldn't get his 70 virgins before he got his 70 "Bubbas"!
Are you thinking a civi prison is tougher? Do a little research on prisoner's rights. Throw a soldier murderer in with soldiers? Not pretty and no ACLU looking over their shoulder.


Posted by: SS109---------------------

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Originally Posted by Okiewan
Are you thinking a civi prison is tougher? Do a little research on prisoner's rights. Throw a soldier murderer in with soldiers? Not pretty and no ACLU looking over their shoulder.

Oh, I know what would happen to him in a military prison. This fella is going to be hurtin' no matter where he ends up. He will pray for death long before the boys in either prison are done with him.


Posted by: Jaybird---------------------

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Currently, under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, 14 offenses are punishable by death. The following can receive this punishment at any times (with the article of the Uniform Code of Military Justice given):
94 - Mutiny or sedition
99 - Misbehavior before the enemy
100 - Subordinate compelling surrender
101 - Improper use of countersign
102 - Forcing a safeguard
104 - Aiding the enemy
106 - Espionage
110 - Improper hazarding of vessel
118 - Murder
120 - Rape and carnal knowledge
The following only carrying a death sentence if committed during times of war:
85 - Desertion
90 - Assaulting or willfully disobeying superior commissioned officer
92 - Failure to obey order or regulation
113 - Misbehavior of a sentinel or lookout

Interestingly enough, the method of capital punishment in the military has been hanging so far. The last execution carried out at the prison, which was also the last execution by the U.S. Military, was the execution of Army Pfc. John A. Bennett, on April 13, 1961, for the rape and murder of an 11-year-old Austrian girl. He was hanged. Recently, Sgt. Hasan Akbar was enetnced to death for the grenade attack at the beginning of the war. Green will share death row at the USDB with six others.



Posted by: BadgerMan---------------------

Good news!

John Allen Muhammad went to Hell yesterday.

Hopefully Hasan will be joining him soon.


Posted by: Mully---------------------

Unless I am not reading this correctly, how did a man, armed with two handguns, run around and shoot 40 people on a military base?? How come he wasn't over powered?? Reports have it that he shot some people 2 and 3 times each. he didn't shoot just 40 rounds but more like 80 rounds and MORE !!!!

I just feel like there is more to this tragic event then what we know at this point.


Posted by: RM_guy---------------------

It's hard to believe but army bases are a gun free zone--bizarre
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009...-gun-free-zone/

Until the cops showed up there was no one that could gain control


Posted by: weimedog---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by RM_guy
It's hard to believe but army bases are a gun free zone--bizarre
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009...-gun-free-zone/

Until the cops showed up there was no one that could gain control



Bingo. Something to think about as times get tougher.


Posted by: SS109---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by RM_guy
It's hard to believe but army bases are a gun free zone--bizarre
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009...-gun-free-zone/

Until the cops showed up there was no one that could gain control

We trust these young people to man tanks, billion dollar fighter jets, fully automatic grenade launchers, machine guns, etc. yet they (gov) don't trust them with firearms on their own base. Funny, isn't it?


Posted by: Patman---------------------

Army: Fort Hood suspect charged with 13 counts of murder
11/12/2009 11:58 AM
By: Associated Press

FORT HOOD, Texas -- The Army psychiatrist suspected in a deadly rampage at Fort Hood, Texas, has been charged in a military court with 13 counts of premeditated murder.

U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command spokesman Chris Grey told a news conference Thursday at the Texas base that additional charges may also be filed against Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan.

Hasan is suspected of killing 12 soldiers and one civilian in last Thursday's shooting spree at Fort Hood. He was shot and wounded by two police officers at the base, and remains in recovery at an Army hospital in San Antonio. His attorney says he was read the charges at the hospital.

The officials said it is not yet decided whether to charge Hasan with a 14th count of murder related to the death of the unborn child of a pregnant shooting victim.



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