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Posted by: RoadDawg---------------------

You go into a motorcycle shop and they never have any parts!

I went to a shop where I bought my 03 KDX and asked if they had any 24mm circlips laying around... The kid behing the counter says "Ah, I don't think we'd have something like that" !

What? are you a motorcycle shop or did I mistakenly enter a McDonald's!!!

What they want you to have to do is order them from them instead, so they get their mark up...

What ever happened to customer service in this world? I realize this is a business, but you'd think they would wanna take care of people who drop a couple of grand in the business.

I went to another shop, this one is where I bought my 98 KDX and wanted to talk to the "kid" about grips and whether I should wire them on to my bike or not. He kinda looked at me like an ass and says "That's something only motorcross racers do"!

I am 43 years old and I would never treat a customer like that in my business. Kids now days have no real grasp of courtesy or customer service..

No wonder business' go under with this type of employee.. Sad thing is the owners aren't any better either.

I finally found Circlips at my local hardware store for 30 cents a piece.. Guess I'll go there from now on.

Posted by: Rooster---------------------

While I agree with you to some extent on the lack of stock issues, I also understand the lack of stock due to overhead costs. Most of the shops I've dealt with over the years (my current shop not included) don't carry any "special" parts and pieces, unless they are really common to a lot of different machines. Whether or not you have to order an item, you are paying mark-up.

As far as the "kid" issue goes. Get used to it old man. (I can call you that since I'm older than you). Kids only get worse the older you get. A lot of things get worse the older you get.

What was this post about again?

Posted by: RM_guy---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rooster

...What was this post about again?

It's about how old you are. Man, you're freaking OLD!!!!

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

Yeah, and you're riding a 12 year old 2 stroke?

I've found that around here the larger the dealership is the less support they have for dirt bikes. Street bikes are huge around here and we kinda get pushed to the back. There's more t-shirts and hats than MX gear. Luckily we have a couple smaller dealers who do try to keep a decent inventory, at least for my crf. I had an 02 Rm 250 for a while that no one ever had anything for. Motosport is good for that stuff.

Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

Nope, never noticed it before. I have never asked a parts person for some obscure relation to parts before either. The cir-clip is really 24mm? Make, model and year would have sufficed. Fredette is the only parts person in the country I could ask such a parts request from, even he might ask for what? Vintage Bob

Posted by: Ol'89r---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoadDawg

You go into a motorcycle shop and they never have any parts!

I went to a shop where I bought my 03 KDX and asked if they had any 24mm circlips laying around... The kid behing the counter says "Ah, I don't think we'd have something like that" !

What? are you a motorcycle shop or did I mistakenly enter a McDonald's!!!

What they want you to have to do is order them from them instead, so they get their mark up....

Next time ask for the part by application. Most young parts people only know what the computer tells them. If you were to ask for a water pump circlip, (just an example) then the parts guy would know what to look for.

You can't expect shops to stock every part for every bike. That would take a warehouse sized building just for the parts department. Plus you have to consider the cost of stocking such a parts department. Would you invest in a parts supply that you may not ever sell just so one of your customers wouldn't be disappointed when he came in to ask for some obscure part. Not good business sense.

Most good shops stock basic, commonly used parts. like rings, pistons, gaskets, for popular models. The parts that they don't stock can be ordered and delivered in usually just a couple of days. And they get their mark-up either way.

It is a good idea to find out who the parts manager is and befriend him/her. Usually the manager is a older person with a little bit of experience. Don't mess with the counter kids, go directly to the parts manager.

Also, buying hardware from your local hardware store or Home Depot is not a good idea. There is a reason the circlip only costs .30 cents. Your motorcycle uses special hardware that is hardened or heat treated (Grade 8 or better) to withstand the rigors of dirt riding. The hardware you buy from your local hardware store usually comes from China and does not have the proper strength for our applications.

Hey, but what the hell, you probably saved $ .50.

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Service Honda (Powersports) usually has everything I order, if not it's shipped within a couple days.

I keep a stock of items I might need for my bikes on hand because I don't want to use the crap from a hardware store and I don't like to wait around for stuff that costs a few cents or a few bucks when I need it now.

Unless you have a good relationship with your local shop going in and asking for parts they might have laying around suggesting you would like to get them for free is laughable. Shops are in business to sell parts, parts make more for most shops than the off road bikes do! Most gas stations have LOTS of gasoline on hand but I still can't find any that give it away no matter how well I know the owner or employee.

Posted by: Rooster---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by RM_guy

It's about how old you are. Man, you're freaking OLD!!!!

Yeah, but I still don't have bifocals!

Careful on knocking those 12 year old two strokes. There's still a couple of crusty old crumudgeons that ride them in here.

What's this blue pill for?

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rooster

What's this blue pill for?

that's to help keep your barely-legal wife around

Posted by: Rooster---------------------

Barely-legal? Whatsat mean, she's only legal when she's bare? Or does it mean she "kinda" has a green card? I'm confused.

Posted by: In come tacks---------------------

No, I agree with the old guy. The Yamaha dealer used to stock most parts and order a few. These days the cheap dealers don't want to manage the inventory, front the money, etc... all of that garble was from people who don't understand what service should be. These cycle mfgrs are spoiled as well. At first, they didn't know the tolerance of the American customer, and they would have parts and techs on hand to service your ride. We've taught them not to care. Kinda like commercials - there used to be a few an hour, then a few on the half hour. Now they've done studies to see how many till we lose interest entirely, and push that much time in commercials.

But yeah, I rebuilt a '78 Yamaha YZ125 back in '84, and they had everything IN STOCK except the clutch cable (and that was a tiny shop). The proof that they don't care anymore? Why don't they stock the generic crap we ask for all the time? Like bolt-on kickstands and other after-market stuff they could hawk. Instead, the employees sit and wait, hoping someone will buy a bike today.

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Well there's a way to make lots of dollars for those of you that happen to know how to do it better... or maybe not.

Funny how people have plenty of ideas how things SHOULD be but can never get the motivation to make it happen even though it seems like a sure thing in their mind.

Ask yourself this as well. Would you pay 1.5x to 2.0x at a walk in dealer that had the part on the shelf over what you could get the exact same part for from an Internet vendor? Most people would bitch that the walk in shop was over charging. Are they? They have it now, they have to inventory it, they have to keep it taking up space,...

Look I remember going to my local auto parts store and it was stacked to the sky with shelves of parts. Parts to fit my 1968 GTX or most any other car in town. It was handy but as the number of combination of parts needed for various combinations of power / drivetrain / etc... expanded they could not keep up, and this place was huge! Times change, what people expect changes and well us old times need to adapt or sit around and bitch about how it was better in the old days.

Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

Back in the mid 90's, shops around here started really getting nailed, paying taxes on parts that sit on the shelf, didn't sell, pay again. Good shops still carry the bare essentials of what I need. Most, would have to order a half gallon of 927, or spark plugs! If I blow it up on the week end, get the parts order PHONED, or IN PERSON ordered, Monday morning, are in my hand by Wednesday. Thats the way it is, and has been for quite a while. I do remember, back in the day. BUT, to think back, a serious rebuild, all the calls with in an hour or so of Chicagoland, still left me ordering 1 part or another. The next time I go into Service Honda, I am going to ask Chris to get me a 24mm circlip, just to see the look on his face, wondering what drugs I am on, or what planet I have been on? Vintage Bob

Posted by: RoadDawg---------------------

You have all missed my point ---- A 24MM CIRCLIP IS STANDARD ON ALOT OF BIKES !They would rather charge you than say "Dude, ya we have one of those laying around."

As for being old, perhaps, but remember your young little wives dig older guys as we know what you've not had time to learn ! haha !

I just remember when stores cared about the people that bought things from them. And when these "kids" woulda been fired for being idiots and not having any understanding of customer service. My first job I was told "the customer is always right and we do what we need to so the customer knows it."

Ultimately, so they come back in the future because they know we went the extra mile for them.

When was the last time you went to a store and the young kids (boy or girl) said "THANK YOU, PLEASE COME AGAIN"...... It's very rare !

By the way "barely legal" means just over 18 !

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoadDawg

You have all missed my point ---- A 24MM CIRCLIP IS STANDARD ON ALOT OF BIKES !They would rather charge you than say "Dude, ya we have one of those laying around."

yeah, maybe its standard, but I would not go in expecting the flat billed mouth breather behind the counter to know that.

I would expect him, however, to be able to find it in the book if I said "I need a circlip for the whickerbill on a 1973 Zundapp."

Now, maybe in a few years that kid will know that the 24mm cirlcip is standard. Hell, I'm 41, and I didn't.

Posted by: RM_guy---------------------

Quote:

By the way "barely legal" means just over 18 !

Bruce, check her birth certificate...

Posted by: Ol'89r---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoadDawg

You have all missed my point ---- A 24MM CIRCLIP IS STANDARD ON ALOT OF BIKES !They would rather charge you than say "Dude, ya we have one of those laying around."

No,actually you have missed the point. Shops don't have 24MM circlips just laying around. The one's they do have are in a box in the parts department with a OEM part number on it. They are not going to just give you one because you are such a nice guy, they have to account for and pay for every circlip in stock. Why the hell should they go out of their way to give you one.

Are you really that cheap?

The mechanics in the back may have a private supply of (used) circlips and hardware at their work stations that they have taken out of bikes but, if you ask for one at the parts counter, you have to ask for it by application. That's like walking into a McDonalds and asking if they have any hamburgers laying around.

If you befriend a mechanic, you would have a better chance of getting a free circlip than bugging a parts guy for one.

Also, what kind of 24 MM circlip? Inside? Outside? what thickness? What kind of tabs? If they gave you the wrong circlip or a used one that broke and caused damage to your bike, would you be back here blaming the parts guy for giving you the wrong circlip and breaking your motorcycle?

I'm old enough to remember the old days too but the old days are gone forever. Get over it.

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ol'89r

Are you really that cheap?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ol'89r

If they gave you the wrong circlip or a used one that broke and caused damage to your bike, would you be back here blaming the parts guy for giving you the wrong circlip and breaking your motorcycle?

I think the answer to both of those questions is a resounding YES!

Silly me I should have re-read the first post and pickup up on it right away.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoadDawg

I went to a shop where I bought my 03 KDX...

Posted by: RoadDawg---------------------

Ol'89r, You sound like exactly the kind of a**hole who owns a shop like this. I am not cheap, I'd would pay for the circlip.... As for what type, you let me worry about that!

I know what I'm looking for so don't get you little panties in a bunch.. You know it figures you express thoughts on poor business practices and some jerkoff like you who thinks he knows everything makes an A** out of himself.

Get over it? That's exactly what I expect from a jerkoff like you! Do us a favor and keep your stupid un-educated opinions to yourself in the future.. You are exactly what's wrong with the motorcycle industry today.. Small thinkers, I doubt your old enough to remember the olds days as you have the mentality of a snot nosed punk..

Oh and Patman, Your a moderator ! You moderate this forum and make ******* comments about the year of a guys bike.. Hmmm perhaps you should be dropped as a moderator. I thought the year of your bike didn't really matter, but it's kinda obvious you have the same tiny mentality as 89r... What a shame ! I guess this forum is run by assholes....!

Posted by: Ol'89r---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoadDawg

Ol'89r,
Get over it? That's exactly what I expect from a jerkoff like you! Do us a favor and keep your stupid un-educated opinions to yourself in the future.. I doubt your old enough to remember the olds days as you have the mentality of a snot nosed punk....!

You might be surprised.

Thank you for your kind words.

Hey! This is starting to get good.

Posted by: RM_guy---------------------

Now THIS is the Flame forum that I remember

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

Hey guys.

Smelled a little smoke so I thought I'd pop in. Good thread.

Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoadDawg

Get over it? That's exactly what I expect from a jerkoff like you! Do us a favor and keep your stupid un-educated opinions to yourself in the future.. You are exactly what's wrong with the motorcycle industry today.. Small thinkers, I doubt your old enough to remember the olds days as you have the mentality of a snot nosed punk..

Based on the tiny glimpse of your personality that has been revealed in this thread it seems pretty clear to me why you might have gotten the treatment you did.

FYI, Ol89r isn't a clever nickname someone made up, it represents the AMA National Number he carried as a real live honest to god make your living that way dirt track racer. Only a tiny handful of people on the planet have ever achieved the rare distinction of carring a 2 digit National number and unlike most racers he was also skilled enough to work as a factory mechanic. While he might be old he is still a scary fast rider and an active racer at Bonneville. He has more real life motorcycle industry experience than the next ten of us combined. Plus in a "what's in it for ME world" he is one of those rare individuals who has spent countless hours giving back to the sport he cares so much about, both here on DRN as well as in his day to day life.

I realize that doosn't hold a candle to a weekend warrior on a KDX who uses the internet to complain about trivial nonsense but you should still show a little more respect for your elders (and I'll hazzard a guess and say your "BETTER").

All that aside, had you bothered to read the advice he posted you would realize he gave you a time honored approach to getting things accomplished at a dealership. The simple act of buying a mechanic lunch, or something similar can open a lot of useful doors. The guys in back are the gateway to all that is useful at a dealership. Expecting a kid at a counter who only knows how to type simple things into the Lightspeed software to have answers to anything is short sighted at best.

You are right about one thing though, this place is moderated by assholes who long ago lost patience for your type of behavior. I'll make it as simple as I can for you to understand. If you can't post without swearing and name calling you'll get to see how truly assholish we can be as we show you the door. I have enough miles under my belt to be better at this game than most.

One warning is all you get, it's your call from here on out.

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoadDawg

I was referring to it being a KDX not and '03. My bike is a '99 and my son has an '01 so it's not a year thing. And really it's not a KDX thing except that it sort of is a trait of that type of bike owner.

(so is being a hot head)

'89er is a Mod as well. Throwing us in the same basket is a compliment as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe the site is run by people that don't tolorate your type of crap and that is why you got your fur all up on end. No matter we'll let you cool your heals for a bit until you can come back and play by the rules that you clicked right past when you signed up.

Oh and as Rich pointed out you have not seen even a blink of an eye what it CAN be like around here. As an added bonus I cut my teeth in the flame forum so if you want to play I'd suggest you gear up cause you done poked a couple of big gorillas in the monkey house.

Posted by: truespode---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoadDawg

some jerkoff like you who thinks he knows everything makes an A** out of himself.

89'er is not the one making an A** out of himself.

He clearly explained the business side of things.

There is a shop I go to in SC and they let me look through their parts bins in the back for any misc nut, bolt, circlip, wire, etc that I want.

But I built a relationship with them over the years and when I walk in they call me by name from across the shop no matter if it has been 6 hours since they have seen me last or 18 months. I'm just a slow guy who spends money here and there but they try to get to know all their return customers and provide excellent service!

When I walk in to their Gas Gas and Husky dealership I ask for my Yamaha parts and sometimes they have them and sometimes they don't. They know their customers and what is most commonly going to be needed whether or not it is part of the line they sell. In the event they don't have it they can get it in just a few days.

In the event they are unsure of what I want we look through the parts book together and make sure I am comfortable with what they order (like which hotcam I wanted).

And their parts manager knows more about bikes than most people period. They have helped riders from Randy Hawkins to Scott Summers (and Scott wrote a letter in Cycle News talking about them and how great they are).

What I'm getting at is they are a GREAT shop and based on what you have posted if you would walk in there I doubt they would be able to help you either to your satisfaction.

Ivan

Posted by: truespode---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patman

As an added bonus I cut my teeth in the flame forum so if you want to play I'd suggest you gear up cause you done poked a couple of big gorillas in the monkey house.

You know you are just a GWBH!!!

Now if Pred gets involved then there will be a big gorilla but right now you are just a small monkey

Ivan

Posted by: truespode---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by RM_guy

Now THIS is the Flame forum that I remember

I haven't even warmed up the oven for some good cookies yet.

Ivan

Posted by: Patman---------------------

No Pred is a Yeti, similar to a gorilla but different.

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Next thing ya' know we'll be accused of ganging up. Then abusing our powers...

Posted by: truespode---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patman

Next thing ya' know we'll be accused of ganging up. Then abusing our powers...

I haven't seen the asshat avatar yet so nobody has even used any powers yet.

That reminds me... I want a cape.

Ivan

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Ivan I'm just afraid that it's been so long since we administered a proper butt kickin' around here we may just unload the whole wagon at once. That of course could cause a black hole to open up in the Internet and well the last time that happened Pred popped up and you remember how messy that was...

Posted by: RM_guy---------------------

Oh great, now the moderators are all riled up. See what you've done?

Posted by: Ol'89r---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by RM_guy

Oh great, now the moderators are all riled up. See what you've done?

Finally. A good thread in the Flame Forum. For a while there, I thought someone changed the name to the 'Touchy/feely, I-wanna'-be-your-friend Forum.

Thanks guys.

You Tighty wearin' Homo's are the best.

Posted by: Rooster---------------------

What's all the racket in here? I'm trying to get a free set of ball bearings for my 1983 Kuwahara BMX bike and you azzholes are making so much noise, the kid at the counter thought I said small ear-rings for my half-mix in Sahara. Whew, it's all good, she IS over 18. And I got the ball bearings after I gave the mechanic out back a six pack of Blatz.

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Well the RiddenPuppy has been left off his bark collar. Lets see if:
A: We need to jam a bar of soap in his mouth.
B: He wants to play nice.
C: He gets a beating that will have Michael Vick looking like the head of the SPCA.

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Oh where, oh where has my little dog gone? Oh where, oh where can he be?

Posted by: RoadDawg---------------------

Hey Patman, anytime you wanna try and kick my old ass, I thump weasels like you for a living. I ain't real hard to find either! I guess you and 89r are just living in your past and since your glory days have long passed you, you get your rocks off being (potty mouth)... That OK this forum really does (rock) anyway!

By the way if you were wondering where I was, I was working... You know that thing that you and 89r apparently aren't capable of..

I liked this board, but if putting up with (exceptionally great guys) like you two is what this forums about then I'll go elsewhere.

It's ashame that a place with good information has to be moderated by two (Internet Gods) like you! Come to my hood sometime and I'll show you why you are what you are, broken down has beens, and while people like me stick people like you in jail. You obviousy have a lot of growing up to do. I would love to violate your rights for you..

Anytime (you wonderful guys), anytime...

Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoadDawg

I liked this board, but if putting up with assholes like you two is what this forums about then I'll go elsewhere.

Well you made your choice. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoadDawg

Hey Patman, anytime you wanna try and kick my old ass, I thump weasels like you for a living.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoadDawg

Come to my hood sometime and I'll show you why you are what you are, broken down has beens, and while people like me stick people like you in jail. You obviousy have a lot of growing up to do. I would love to violate your rights for you..

Anytime assholes, anytime...

sounds like he is inferring he is in law enforcement.......... wow the psyche of someone in such a position

hey road dog I double road dog dare you to tell us your name and department

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Well gee I guess I should be afraid now?

That's a pretty childish attitude to think somebody is going to waste their time to come track down some lame wanna' be tough guy. Talk all the tough guy trash you want, you really wouldn't want to be hunted down, we all know it and you keep proving it with your responses.

The reason 89er and myself have all this time to deal with losers like you is that we've achieved positions that allow us to do as we see fit. I realize it's a tough thing to understand perhaps if you asked one of your boss' to explain it to you real slow like it might make sense. Be sure to check in with us when you can, I'm sure even the donut shop in Hooterville has WiFi by now.

If you could actually understand the written word you would have understood that if you wish to play the game here in my world of DRN you WILL get the beat down of you life. See the funny thing is here in DRN land we all sort of take care of taking out the trash (i.e. YOU) and some of us just enjoy seeing twits like you get exposed for what you really are (one of those people would be ME). So please feel to to stick around and play our game but realize we make the rules and you get to live or die by them, or leave and find a safer place to try to be an Internet warrior. I'm sure there are still places with a pack of tweens where you could be the all knowing, rough and tough expert you would like to be, it just aint here.

Here boy, here boy, come on little puppy I got a big bone for you

Posted by: Mully---------------------

poopy head.......

Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

This person implies he is in law enforcement? 24mm circlip question?, No where near as scary as some fool with a badge and gun!!! Please tell me fools with tools ARE NOT EVERYWHERE! AHHHHH RUN AWAY! Fat chance, I ain't scared, kick Pats Butt! No wait, he ran his self off, what a tool. There goes my theory about the kid that got picked on in grade school, growing up to become a law officer, and getting even? The first good flame of the year, by my count, and the first time I remember some car window bug juice tried disrespecting 89er, over the internet? Some air breathers, sure makes you wonder, about gene therapy for the mentally ill? Next it will come out he was from Northern Georgia, and plays a banjo? Vintage Bob

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Now I did stumble upon some video from a few weeks ago when I took my little pound puppy to eat at a Whataburger. I do need to warn you that he's still running his little potty mouth and well,.. he dressed himself and didn't listen as usual about having clean BVD's but did wear his favorite Tapout shirt (yellow, go figure). I finally had to take control of the situation as you will see, as usual his bark is much bigger than his bite.

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Posted by: Ol'89r---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoadDawg

I thump weasels like you for a living.

By the way if you were wondering where I was, I was working... You know that thing that you and 89r apparently aren't capable of..

Come to my hood sometime and I'll show you why you are what you are, broken down has beens, and while people like me stick people like you in jail. ...

RoadDawg.

That's a lot of assumptions about people you don't even know.

In all of your ranting, you were right about one thing. I do own a shop. Not a Dealership but a Independent repair/machine/fabrication shop. I have owned and operated my shop since 1976 at which time I think you were 10 years old. I get guys like you in my shop all of the time. They think, since I'm not a dealer, I should give them a good deal. They think they're special and they should not have to pay what everyone else pays. Guys like that don't get a good deal. Quite the contrary. I will hit them with such a high estimate they usually get the hint and go away. I usually send them to BillyBobs Backyard Bike Repair, down the street. BillyBob Will take care of them. He stocks only the best Chinese hardware and circlips he can get from Home Depot. I don't worry about losing the business because I know from previous experience, that guys like you will be nothing but trouble. And if you don't get what you expect, you will badmouth me and my shop to whoever will listen.

As Rich so kindly pointed out, I do have some experience in the motorcycle industry. I have worked for several dealerships over the years as a general manager, parts guy, parts manager, service manager and mechanic. So, I was merely trying to explain to you, from a dealers prospective, why the young counter person looked down his nose at you when you asked for a 24MM circlip. Didn't mean to step on your skirt.

Dealerships and Independent shops are hurting right now. Just trying to keep their doors open. Many of them have already closed. Lets use that 24MM circlip as an example. How much do you think they make on that circlip? By the time they pay a parts person to order the circlip, then, to un-package the circlip, then, put the circlip in stock, then, the time he spends selling the customer the circlip, then, having to re-order the circlip, that circlip actually costs the dealer just to have it in stock. Granted, he will make a good profit on other, more expensive parts but, not on the circlip. So, tell me again why they should just give you one?

Also, I seriously doubt you are a police officer. I trail ride with several California Highway patrol officers, and not one of them would ever present themselves on the internet the way you have. If you are, you have some serious issues and you shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun. Maybe a lawyer, that would fit your personality much better.

I'm not interested in fighting you but, if you are ever in Southern California, in the Corona area, look me up, I would love to take you on a trail ride. I'm a bit older than you and a has-been as you so eloquently pointed out but, I will try to keep up.

BTW, this is the flame forum. If you are going to come in here and say something stupid, be prepared to take the heat.

Remember, Its better to be a has-been than a never-was.

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ol'89r

Remember, Its better to be a has-been than a never-was.

Oh I bet that right there left a mark.

I bet out little pup might just be a mall cop at the Bloomsburg Mall and dual screen theater complex where he regularlly thumps on those pesky teens. I guess he's "working" again, or sitting at home watching his hero Barney Fife put the cuff on another perp. We can only hope that if he's out looking for a cheese burger on his own that he remembered underwear or a belt.

Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

I seen that guy before Pat, about 8 years ago. He looked all of 6 years old, throwing a little hissy fit, at the candy rack by the grocery check out. Hasn't learned a thing, and still does not have good eating habits. Vintage Bob

Posted by: holeshot---------------------

What the heck? I leave these forums for 1 minute and I miss a juicy Black Helicopter thread.

Toy with Roadawg's fantasies for a while - we need some entertainment around here.

Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

Well you have been around a while Holeshot. There WILL BE ANOTHER, sooner or later. Patients, or hope no more "hey I have an issue"? Other than the guy that is blowing in his vent hoses on the carb, someone else has already chimed in with the issue, read the old threads, its been covered. This is how I stumbled across this site. It was my older son who thought he had an issue, the first as most do of course. Nope, someone else already asked, his questions was not THAT special. I had my moment thinking I was special, with my old antiquated ideas. BUT, I was pleasantly pleased the guy figuring part of me was wrong. And since then, have pretty much shelved the guy figuring, right next to old lady yapping and nagging! What a vicious circle of ignorance, and when it comes down to it, hate. Some people just hate, and hate to be wrong. Sucks to be them! Vintage Bob

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patman

Well the RiddenPuppy has been left off his bark collar. Lets see if:
A: We need to jam a bar of soap in his mouth.
B: He wants to play nice.
C: He gets a beating that will have Michael Vick looking like the head of the SPCA.

That's not where the soap goes. Especially when there's a gallon of strawberry yogurt involved.

Posted by: Ol'89r---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by XRpredator

That's not where the soap goes. Especially when there's a gallon of strawberry yogurt involved.

Hey Pred. RoadApple wants to fight someone.

So, if you ever run out of bears.

Just say'n.

Posted by: LongGone---------------------

Aw c'mon!!! Can't we let him back in? He looks like a lot of fun around here.

You mods take all of the fun out of the place by banning all the d-bags.

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by LongGone

You mods take all of the fun out of the place by banning all the d-bags.

Not ALL of them, you are still around.

Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by LongGone

Aw c'mon!!! Can't we let him back in? He looks like a lot of fun around here.

You mods take all of the fun out of the place by banning all the d-bags.

Is this entity the same guy, or a friend? How do you come off calling Pat, Patty? A little out of line, or related? D bags can go to the quad sites, they can use roaddawgs type of love. Thank you poopie head mods, once again! And, me being a gluten for punishment, would still like to see the list of crap that never makes it to the board, much less the ones that slip through the cracks! How bad does it get, I do pop in other sites, till the bs gets waste deep. Thanks again Pat, 89er and the rest! Vintage Bob

Posted by: Ol'89r---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by LongGone

Aw c'mon!!! Can't we let him back in? He looks like a lot of fun around here.

I would also like to see him back. Since I'm not the one that banned him, I won't be the one to lift the ban. But, I think he just took a couple words wrong and took it personal. If you post something in the Flame Forum, you have to have a good sense of humor because you are most likely to get flamed.

We have had many members get into a pissin' match with the Mod's in the past and throw a hissy-fit.

They get banned and most don't come back. Some of them see the errors of their ways and come back to be productive members of the site. DRN doesn't have as many members as some of the more loosely run sites but the one's we have are quality members.

It's just a matter of learning the site. DRN is a family site and we don't tolerate bad language. That is the first thing that will get you booted. If your only defense is cursing, you don't belong here.

If he wants to leave because a couple of people don't agree with him, well, it's his loss. He can go to the sites that when you ask a question, you get a bunch of kids arguing and cursing each other over the question and when you leave, you really don't know if your question was answered properly or not. Here, you can ask just about any dirtbike related question and get the correct answer.

I say give him one more chance. If he can't act in a responsible manner, the third time's the charm.

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Yeah LongGone and I have some history.

I've been called a lot worst than Patty. Heck even in this very thread

Posted by: LongGone---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patman

Not ALL of them, you are still around.

I KNEW that was coming.

LOL Vintage Blob. I love guys like you. They always throw 2 cents in on everything regardless if they know what's going on. Just 2 cents here...2 cents there. Blah blah blah all day long. I hope they never ban you either. You're just as entertaining.

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by LongGone

Let me stir the pot

Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

His account is back live, so it's up to him to decide if he wants it to stay that way. If he wants to act civil he is more than welcome whether people agree with him or not.

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

89'er,

The bears are getting harder to find, so . . .

Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by LongGone

I KNEW that was coming.

Yes. This is a dirtbike internet forum, we communicate via the printed word. Muscle flexing, go to the beach. Can I have that 2 cents back? This thread was done a while back, thanks for getting it going again! Vintage Bob

Posted by: RoadDawg---------------------

I owe Patman and Ol 89r and this entire forum an apology. I am sorry I flew off the handle and acted like an A--!

I should not have used profanity as you are right, this is a family oriented forum and I was out of line.

I guess I was just trying to vent a little at my fustration at the shops never having a part you need.

I enjoy this forum greatly and the information and knowledge I have gained is invaluable.

I guess if I ever post on the Flame Board again, I'll not take the posts personally. Or better yet I'll think out my post more before I hit submit.

Again, I am truly sorry for my remarks and comments about Patman and 89r... You guys have been racing and riding for a long time and I am new at the riding part.

I hope you can forgive my stupidity.

Thanks,

Road Dawg

Posted by: Patman---------------------

It's all good with me.

Posted by: mdavidso---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by _JOE_

Yeah, and you're riding a 12 year old 2 stroke?

Hey, be nice, I ride an 18 year old 2 stroker.

Posted by: truespode---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoadDawg

I am sorry I flew off the handle and acted like an A--!

Well hell... you aren't the first one and some of the first ones are now moderators

One of my best friends I met online here at DRN and we argued a good bit online back and forth. It was hilarious looking back in retrospect.

Now we just argue more face to face or on the phone.

A good flame is not always a bad thing!

Ivan

Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

I think thats the best return post ever, in 4 years that I know of anyways? Nice job Road Dawg. Its always the little things? Yes the shops changed A LOT in 30 years is no lie. And Joe, I got a 27 year old smoker that will set you straight. New 4 strokes, pfffft! Except for the parts thing, dang it all! Vintage Bob

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

one word "class act" .....oops i guess im one of the five out of four people that have problems with numbers?

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

Welcome back Road Dawg!

Bob, it's ok. I rode a 2 stroke back in the day. It's pretty common for a middle aged guy to have a vintage 2 stroke or two laying around. Must be how you old guys try to cling to your youth.

At least my thumper handles good.

Posted by: LongGone---------------------

This isn't how it's supposed to end. LOL

Really though...that was a stand-up reply RD. Welcome Back!

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by truespode

Well hell... you aren't the first one and some of the first ones are now moderators

HEY! I might resemble that remark!

Besides you disagree with most everybody because you are a poopyhead.

Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

OLD GUYS? I vaguely resemble that remark. Lost youth, no, never get that back, and I know exactly where it went. BUT, my bike is faster than yours, perfect. And it does not take being dropped from a helicopter! Till the little kid on the 85 passes me on the track? 2 top ends Joe, I would not go betting the bank your newer bike handles better than my old dogs. Maintenance of suspension is a lot worse than engines and carbs. You should see the pile of crap that did not cut the grade on my 97 CR250 project. I just ordered the sub-tanks for the front end of the 480, the Ohlins rear shock is on the horizon. What is worse than getting pelted by 450f roost, eat 480 roost! How about car talk, its like a vintage muscle car against the newer v6 fast cars with muffler tips? In theory, better? Vintage Bob

Posted by: Ol'89r---------------------

Welcome back RoadDawg.

Excellent post.

Like truespode said, a lot of us started out here bashing each other only to become face-to-face friends and riding buddies. That's the difference between this site and some of the other 'kids' sites.

Please stay and enjoy what DRN has to offer.

Oh, and I was serious about that trail ride. If you are ever in So Cal.

Ol'89r
Cantankerous ol' curmudgeon.

Posted by: RM_guy---------------------

Jeez, now it's turing into a love fest...get a room, this place is for real fightin'

I'm gald RoadDawg found a way to play in the sandbox, welcome back. I've seen some of his other posts and he should fit right in.

Posted by: RoadDawg---------------------

Thanks guys, I appreciate your accepting an old mallet head back to the fold..

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

I'll still fight you, if you're up for it.

Posted by: RoadDawg---------------------

Ok, but lets duel instead ! I like water baloons at 25 paces !

Filled with gear oil of course..

Posted by: Papakeith---------------------

group huge

Posted by: truespode---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoadDawg

Thanks guys, I appreciate your accepting an old mallet head back to the fold..

As long as it isn't a mullet you are good.

Ivan

Posted by: LongGone---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papakeith

group huge

Who's huge? Why does my size matter?

Posted by: RoadDawg---------------------

We are all "HUGE" ! Maybe he meant HUG !

Fot the record I am not trying to start another fight ! haha

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoadDawg

We are all "HUGE" ! Maybe he meant HUG !

You callin me fat? You wanna piece of me?

Posted by: RoadDawg---------------------

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !

Posted by: truespode---------------------

Funny stuff now.

Ivan

Posted by: In come tacks---------------------

When you need parts, a lot of times they'll say they need to order them. Some parts are common, like some brake parts. Circlips, if you found some at the hardware store, the punk behind the counter coulda found better ones. Almost any fastener should be in stock.

If you need piston, rings, gears etc, they will need to order them (buy them from a warehouse for an immediate, unearned profit). I seriously think they should stock much more, they're just spoiled enough to know what they can get away with..

Posted by: Rooster---------------------

A piece of you? Boy, by the looks of that fat azz, you done had mor'n a piece of sumpin!

Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by In come tacks

When you need parts, a lot of times they'll say they need to order them. Some parts are common, like some brake parts. Circlips, if you found some at the hardware store, the punk behind the counter coulda found better ones. Almost any fastener should be in stock.

If you need piston, rings, gears etc, they will need to order them (buy them from a warehouse for an immediate, unearned profit). I seriously think they should stock much more, they're just spoiled enough to know what they can get away with..

Tomorrow morning go outside your dwelling, and see if you have plumbing venting coming through the roof. Unprotected traps can let sewer or septic gases in your dwelling. Every drain opening needs to be protected, and vented outside, all the way outside. There are over 200 different gases that churn in there, only a few of them actually smell. Also, placing the septic field too close to the well is not good. A few different learning and emotional issues can develop from long term exposure. I am working on a theory about the slang/drawl, from down south is from this very source! Circlips at the hardware store, UNBELIEVABLE, and even more if they have seemingly 24mm clips! I was going to ask Chris from Service Honda THEE question today, 70 some dollars for my CR250's plastic water pump gear helped me forget. But, I know where him and Greg are going riding Saturday! They are going to have some 480 roost in their teeth, 35 dollars worth! Paying retail, YUCK! Do not get mad, get even. Vintage Bob

Posted by: _JOE_---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rooster

A piece of you? Boy, by the looks of that fat azz, you done had mor'n a piece of sumpin!

You mean my MXvsATV winter training regimen didn't work?

Dang, where did I put my donut........

Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by _JOE_

You mean my MXvsATV winter training regimen didn't work?

Dang, where did I put my donut........

I have been using the bacon diet, pack the pounds on! 160 on an open class bike is pretty wild. I need more ballast! Chocolate covered bacon is next. Vintage Bob

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Chocolate covered bacon ROCKS!

Posted by: ellandoh---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patman

Chocolate covered bacon ROCKS!

I prefer frosting on my chocolate bacon over rocks any day

Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by ellandoh

I prefer frosting on my chocolate bacon over rocks any day

I really do not care for rocks. They hurt when hit by them, and are a real bugger to get down with coke! Vintage Bob

Posted by: Rooster---------------------

LOL, rocks.

Posted by: bsmith---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by XRpredator

I'll still fight you, if you're up for it.

Don't do it RD, this is what happens when you mess with the Pred

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpTX...feature=related

Posted by: RoadDawg---------------------

Wow, I'm glad I apolgized... He's a bad man !

Also for the record, I ordered 24mm circlips online... No local hardware clips for my KDX !

Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

What? Back on thread? Good news, again! Vintage Bob

Posted by: holeshot---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by RoadDawg

Wow, I'm glad I apolgized... He's a bad Sasquatch!

This is pred sizing you up .....

Posted by: Ol'89r---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by holeshot

This is pred sizing you up .....

That's why the bears are so scared.

Posted by: RoadDawg---------------------

Dang, Predator that's a face only a Mom could love !

Posted by: RoadDawg---------------------

Curly Q Link..

Posted by: pesky nz---------------------

happy birthday RD
I've worked in bike shops now for over thirty years and I'm yet to find one with a ciclip department (those boxed sets always seem to be made of rubber). Piston clips are specialist parts with a very low price that you use once then recycle, and they are deliberately spread around to prevent an error in supply due to fat fingers. Getting angry at a parts kid wont get you what you want. If you give him make, model, year info he can do his job. If you don't give him the info then he's looking at you thinking "here we go again.... " Relax and show your years of experience by helping him give you what you want. (I'm from the other side of the world so maybe this sounds up-side-down)
ps since you have managed to advance your own timing and are no longer a bit reta.... a helpful hint is to know that pressed circlips have an inside and outside one feels smooth and the other feels sharp, the sharp side is made to take the weight. If you strain the smooth side it tries to start a taper on the groove wall and enventually the clip spreads out or squashes in and fails. At 24mm you are probably trying to secure your front sprocket OEM is best, but if you are inside the gearbox definitely use OEM.

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