Originally Posted by RM_guy

If Dungey could ride as fast at the beginning of the race at the end he'd be the champ. He had the fastest lap times at the end and almost caught RV.

Thanks for not mentioning Stewart...wait a minute...who?

Originally Posted by RM_guy

If Dungey could ride as fast at the beginning of the race at the end he'd be the champ. He had the fastest lap times at the end and almost caught RV.

Thanks for not mentioning Stewart...wait a minute...who?

Originally Posted by HiG4s

RV obviously is not a Mudder!!

Originally Posted by skiz

I thought he displayed great mudder skills. . He passed most of guys on the track. . After his faceplant he was 3rd to last + yet finished 5th

Its interesting to see how the change of surface effects guys differently, hardpack, thick tacky mud, soft + soupy mud, sand. . I would say Villopoto shows the best consistency from surface to surface among the current top riders

There was a big big difference from different parts of the course. . There was the thick tacky, the soft + soupy, + then there was a submerged section that most riders were just keeping their front tire light + jumping over the deepest water troughs. . Everyone was much slower battling to stay balanced in the thicker tackier mud sections. . But some riders were really attaking the softer soupier sections. . I notice Villopoto was taking an outside berm line on some turns so he could build speed to attack the softer sections + hit the section with the 2 big air triples

Originally Posted by RM_guy

RVs crash was really something to see. He was bound and determined not to let go of the bike. At 1 or 2 or maybe even 3 times I thought he just might save it.

Originally Posted by HiG4s

He is still a great rider but not a mudder.

Originally Posted by RM_guy

Anyone remember when Carmichael lapped everyone at a muddy national. I don't remember where it was but guys were getting their bikes buried in the mud and Ricky rode by like it was dry. After that I consider him the top mud rider.

Originally Posted by skiz

On the muddiest track of the year, if a guy passes 13 riders and finishes ahead of all of the best riders in the world except 4 other guys, I would call that guy a mudder

Originally Posted by HiG4s

What ever!!!!

Originally Posted by HiG4s

But seeing as the only two riders that have been able to keep up with RV all year were not at the race

Originally Posted by HiG4s

the and 4 riders he was slower than have not had RVs speed on a dry track all year, and 3 of those 4 were not even very close to as fast on dry all year means he is considerably slower (compared to other riders) in the mud than he is on dry. Not sure how you can all that a mudder, but you just go ahead.

Originally Posted by skiz

You find it offensive when someone disagrees with you ?Theres 3 riders that can keep up with Vill + Steward was at Daytona busy winning the raceSo you define mudder as someone that not only excels in mud riding skills but also shows a big decrease in competitiveness in the dry ?

If thats how mudder is defined thats OK with me. . It really doesnt matter to me

Originally Posted by RM_guy

Anyone remember when Carmichael lapped everyone at a muddy national. I don't remember where it was but guys were getting their bikes buried in the mud and Ricky rode by like it was dry. After that I consider him the top mud rider.

Originally Posted by HiG4s

Mudder is a term borrowed from horse racing, it just means A racehorse that runs well on a wet or muddy track. That is all it means, nothing more. Has no meaning relating to dry track conditions. But if you want to make up definitions you can say anything means anything you want to you.

Originally Posted by HiG4s

What ever!!!!

But seeing as the only two riders that have been able to keep up with RV all year were not at the race, the and 4 riders he was slower than have not had RVs speed on a dry track all year, and 3 of those 4 were not even very close to as fast on dry all year means he is considerably slower (compared to other riders) in the mud than he is on dry. Not sure how you can all that a mudder, but you just go ahead.

Originally Posted by HiG4s

But I do fine it offensive when people make up definitions of words to argue their point of view.