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Ok, ok...I'm cancelling MXA

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Posted by: CR Swade---------------------

This is tough for me, because I have always subscribed to MXA. I've defended them against the bashers. Argued w/ Rich over them. But after this last issue, I've got to pull off the track and get off of the MXA moto-sled.

I've seen bad tests for the past 10 years, but the new 450 test is stupid. I've ridden the thing and it does not handle like a oil tanker. THAT distinction goes to my 91 KX250. Also for the record, I enjoy riding an XR400, so don't take me wrong on this-the new CRF450 feels nothing like a 400. It revs much faster, has no engine braking and has a very racy feel to it. The test would have you believe this thing was straight out of the BSA factory.

For the umpteenth time, MXA's ad budget and personal preferences got the best of them-after 20 years, I wash my hands of them.

Oh, in addition to this-please don't think my obvious Honda bias is fueling this. I have lived w/ funky CR tests for almost 10 years. I have also written off goofy KTM tests-my Katoom was fast and a joy to ride (but not according to MXA). But this last attempt at objective journalism (which I don't feel was ever meant to be objective), was sooo transparent that it actually insulted my somewhat limited intelligence.

MXA-you've been a bad date. You have never responded to any attempts to praise you, stand up for you and now I'm dumping you. What a bunch of dorks.:mad:


Posted by: CR Swade---------------------

Oh, pass this on to Timmy (as Rich calls him)-I'll keep my Dirt Rider subscription. I prefer the whole glass half-full approach. The mag I'm subscribing to that I really enjoy now is Racer X. Davey pays attention-looks like he has another 20 year customer.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Humm. Granted, I haven't read all the reviews of the CRF, but it seems to me most mags are saying it's the best thing since sliced bread?


Posted by: Patman---------------------

Maybe if Honda had purchased more testing er, I mean ad space things may have been different (i.e. they may have printed the truth). I'm so sick and tired of their "We're the authority..." crap and the mountianous ad content I won't even pick one up at the grocery store to look through while waiting in line. Heck I'd rather flip through a National Enquirer! Ya' know maybe they're really the same thing!


Posted by: JuliusPleaser---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Patman
Heck I'd rather flip through a National Enquirer! Ya' know maybe they're really the same thing!
MXA future headlines:

"Fonseca Trapped In Gear Bag - Eats Own Foot"

Waitress Claims: "I'm Having Ricky's Two-Headed Love Child!"

Shocking Mike Brown Tell-All! "I Was Sexually Abused By My Uncle Daddy."


Posted by: Senior KX Rider---------------------

ROTFLMAO!!!


Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Julius Pleaser
MXA future headlines:

"Fonseca Trapped In Gear Bag - Eats Own Foot"

Waitress Claims: "I'm Having Ricky's Two-Headed Love Child!"

Shocking Mike Brown Tell-All! "I Was Sexually Abused By My Uncle Daddy."

Don't forget:

"Bat Boy signs with team Kawasaki! Says 'I'll eat the Leprechaun for breakfast!'"


Posted by: nephron---------------------

As Okie said--it's pretty obvious this bike ain't no slouch, and by the looks of most testers' opinioins, it may be the best thumper out there.

But I curse you for bringing this to light, because I have personally vowed--irregardless of the withdrawal sweats, seizures, tactile hallucinations and other things resulting from lack of "everything" dirt--personally vowed to never look at another issue of MXA again. It took me a while to catch on, but it's just old humor now. I just don't really find it a pleasant experience being repeatedly re-enlightened of their ignorance.

So why worry? Just dump it and don't pick it up again. The only thing to be slightly angry about is all the little misfed & misled children out there--whoah to them.

Oh well, at least it's just bad dirtbike info. Could be worse, I guess.:silly:


Posted by: CR Swade---------------------

I announced it not to produce earth-shattering results (world peace, end to children suffering). I did it because I usually argue their strong points. I'm conceding that I was wrong. Blatant forms of advertisements in the form of journalism are supposed to be represented as advertisement.

I was inviting a healthy helping of crow, served by none other than Rich himself. :confused:

Besides, giving up any habit, no matter how bad, after 20 years requires a bit of support. So when do the DT's set in ?


Posted by: mx547---------------------

i suppose it's possible that they just don't like anything that everyone else does.


Posted by: CR Swade---------------------

Well, I think it depends on how many YZ426's Yamaha has left to sell.

Maybe Honda ought to follow Suzuki's lead-drop MXA, then when the merger takes place between Kawi/Suzuki MXA would be testing the best of the Big Two-Yamaha and KTM


Posted by: mx547---------------------

i haven't read mxa in awhile. what do they generally say about ktms?


Posted by: spanky250---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by mx547
i haven't read mxa in awhile. what do they generally say about ktms?
They still call them Enduro bikes, except for the 125 SX, of which they actually admit that it is as good as a YZ .


Posted by: Tolson---------------------

I have to say that I have ridden the CR450 quite a bit and loved most things about it. My only real problem is the bike doesn't like to turn. This could be a crappy California dirt problem, but hey that's where we live and test.

I can say this though, I raced the World Vet this weekend on the CRF450R (only Saturday, hey I'm only 27) and after putting some 20mm (24mm stock) offset triple clamps on along with stiffer fork springs and a stiffer shock spring the CRF450R now turns almost on par with the 426.

As I said before if I had to spend my own hard earned cash I'd buy the 450. A set of triple clamps, some springs, an exhaust system and you have a great four-stroke that weighs 234. It will cost a lot more than that to get the YZ426 anywhere near 234.

Sincerely,

Tim Olson
Motocross Action


Posted by: CanadianRidr---------------------

Do you care to explain what is wrong with the exhaust system?:think


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by CanadianRidr
Do you care to explain what is wrong with the exhaust system?:think


It's stock :silly:
It's obvious Honda had no idea what they were doing when they designed the exhaust on the CRF, and the bike won't be complete till some hack running a dynojet in a warehouse (oops I mean Valued Advertiser) produces a new CORRECT exhaust system :silly:

Timmy - You'll have to forgive us if we don't take it as gospel when YOU tell us that adding MORE trail via a t-clamp change is the enlightened way to a superior cornering CRF.

As much as it pains me to say it MXA does deserve credit for an excellent DIRT column addressing noise issues. Well done. Articles like that may actually get you guys a readership that is old enough to drive a car. Of course the Doofus-Tech articles like that idiotic "Temperature of Gas" crap is sure to queer the deal once all is said and done. You boys really should stick to what you're good at like MX sock shootouts and sticker glue comparisons. :D


Posted by: alphado---------------------

Here are some more headlines:
"The AMA Sucks"
"We Hate the AMA"
"The AMA Can't Do Anything Right"
"Whatever The AMA Does We're Against it"


Posted by: John Curea---------------------

Tim
Nice to see you on DRN.....

One question, whatever happened to the results of the MX-TECH 01CR250 test that we did with you guys last January??

We tried countless phone calls (never any of them returned) and emails and letters, also never returned.

Sooo, I figure while we all know you are out here, I am going to call you out..

We tested with you, Ray and Harry Lietner....Harry and Ray really liked the bike. During the whole process, Harry and Ray would provide us precise feedback on what the bike was doing and we adjusted accordingly. you on the other hand would come in and try to think of something to say....it was always different from what the other riders reported.
Then after we had the bike dialed, we decided to put the stock suspension back on the bike and send the riders back out. You decided to leave before that part....but Harry and Ray stayed , they both thought the stock suspension was almost unrideable compared to the MX-TECH suspension, especially at the faster speed they were going with our stuff on. Harry actually crashed twice pretty hard after we put the stock stuff back on.

You guys always beat the "Honesty and dedication to your readers" drum, but this time you dropped the ball for them. Because you kept some good info about a good product from them.

We just figured since you get beat up around here , you decided to ditch our test, since we are DRN.

You can run what you want in your mag, but why did you even call us out there.........I can take an honest feedback about our stuff, even if it is negative. But the other two riders absolutely loved the suspension.

What flames me up the most is that you guys didnt even have the guts to return our calls, letters, and emails.

Your Turn.........

John Curea
MX-TECH East Coast
724-336-3293.....


Posted by: CR Swade---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Tolson
I have to say that I have ridden the CR450 quite a bit and loved most things about it. My only real problem is the bike doesn't like to turn. This could be a crappy California dirt problem, but hey that's where we live and test.

I can say this though, I raced the World Vet this weekend on the CRF450R (only Saturday, hey I'm only 27) and after putting some 20mm (24mm stock) offset triple clamps on along with stiffer fork springs and a stiffer shock spring the CRF450R now turns almost on par with the 426.

As I said before if I had to spend my own hard earned cash I'd buy the 450. A set of triple clamps, some springs, an exhaust system and you have a great four-stroke that weighs 234. It will cost a lot more than that to get the YZ426 anywhere near 234.

Sincerely,

Tim Olson
Motocross Action


:mad: ???!!! Why did we get the bizarro world version of the test. I didn't see any similarities between what you just stated, and the test that Ed Scheidler (sp?) wrote for you. Come on, admit it, you guys stepped on your YZ blue dinks.

Any first year journalism student could see this one a mile away.


Posted by: Patman---------------------

MXA mind set = those that advertise with us are the best, reguardless of facts at hand.

Considering the results Mr. Olson had I would like to know if a correction of some form will be presented to the last round of CRF "tests".


Quote:
This could be a crappy California dirt problem, but hey that's where we live and test

Yeah I'm sure they changed the dirt out just for you guys while the other mags got the good dirt :silly:


Oh Wade, Yamaha quit making "DT's" :confused:


Posted by: Dr.billZ---------------------

Hmmmm. And you all thought I was nuts (ie crazy, touched in the head, whacko, delerious.....)when I said the current crop of magazines suck water.....................2-3 years ago.
Guys, they all have fallen into the advertising zone. Only one magazine did it(stayed out of the advertising zone) and that was the OLD Dirt Bike mag under Rick Sieman.
Trail Rider mag does a pretty good job, but still panders somewhat to KTM. BUT KTM makes great off-road bikes, so they don't lie.......they just suck up a bit.
Basically it's hard to say something bad about someone that pays the bills....... when's the last time you said something negative(IN PUBLIC) about your boss. See, it's pretty hard.


Posted by: CanadianRidr---------------------

For those of you who didn't catch them, here are some of the quotes from MXA'S wonderful indepth test:silly:
Here's what they say, quotes:

"Not a single MXA test rider liked the handling."

"The CRF450 has a serious handling flaw. It casters, wanders, swivels and pushes."

"The downside to the CRF450's rosy picture is that it handles like a garbage scow."

..the YZ426 engine is much racier than the CRF450...On acceleration, the Honda CRF450 is a Chrysler minivan, while the 2002 YZ426 feels like Don Garlits' Swamp Rat."

"The Honda, KTM...turn like oil tankers."

"From a pure motocross point of view, the Yamaha YZ426 is a vastly superior race bike to the Honda CRF450."

"...the Yamaha YZ426 handles better, is faster, has better brakes, is well suspended..."

These genius's also say about the CRF450:
"...it's so easy to ride that most test riders went faster on the Honda than on the KTM or YZ."

So timmy how much did each of these quotes cost Yamaha?

Maybe you guys should stick to the glue tests like Rich said, heck I can't wait for the long term test on swing arm stickers you guys are doing
:silly:

ps, Maybe no test rider liked the suspension because it is set up for a normal sized rider, not some of the "clears throat" boat anchers that you guys call yourselves


Posted by: Thump---------------------

Is MXA the best mag out? no.
Do I read it? yes.
Are they slanted in their views to please their advertisers? I believe so.
Do they state false facts without proper investigation? yes.

That being said... what if MXA said the 450 was Heaven on earth? The best 4-stroke MX bike ever made? Not one problem with it?

I will tell you what would happen, there would be more people flaming them saying they were kissing up to Honda since Honda pays them big coin to advertise.

Give them a break, they put out a decent magazine that serves a good purpose in giving you some pretty pictures to look at while sitting on the toilet.

I know I will get hammered on for this but oh well, I am a graphic artist and while I am pinching one out I like to see the new stuff in the MX industry. I read it and take what is said with a grain of salt, but I love seeing the new products and stuff that I might want to add to my garage. Call me crazy.


Posted by: CR Swade---------------------

Wrong Thump. I would have taken a test giving an edge to Yamaha. But to compare the engine to a mini-van or BSA, when I have ridden one and know better, then to act as if this thing handles like a 23-inch hooped roach-well that is not good reporting. It is a paid advertisement meant to persuade buyers with false reporting.

I've defended them way to many times on the premise that there was some journalistic integrity. Integrity in my (the paying customer) view is totally gone. Heck, I can't even read between the lines anymore, what from the knee-deep blue poo coming from that group

If I want pretty pictures, I'll look at my oodles of catalogs. Plus Racer X has waayy better pics. I wanted substance-Olson, Jody and the rest of them forgot how to be journalists.:mad:


Posted by: Thump---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Wade
Plus Racer X has waayy better pics. I wanted substance-Olson, Jody and the rest of them forgot how to be journalists.:mad:
I totally agree that Racer X is better on all fronts... it sits on my coffee table. MXA has forgotten how to be journalists (maybe they never knew how) that is why it is crapper material and has it spot in the magazine rack next to the thrown.


Posted by: CR Swade---------------------

Blue poo for the doo-doo!


Posted by: VintageDirt---------------------

That's right, didn't you guys see that picture of Jim Pomeroy on the contents page? Makes it worth the subscription price right there, tell you whut, know whudda mean.:confused:


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Please forgive me. I am a sinner. I subscript to <gulp> MXA.
However...
Quote:
Give them a break, they put out a decent magazine that serves a good purpose in giving you some pretty pictures to look at while sitting on the toilet.

THAT is it's intended purpose. Wonder how Jody feels knowing that everytime someone is looking at his face they are pinching one off? You realize of course this could lead to some strange association situations. Everytime someone see's Jody, this urge to purge comes over them. Not a good thing while doing interviews?


Posted by: Patman---------------------

Something y'all have to understand is Thump spends an inordinate volume of his time in the library, most of them being the fiberglass non-permenant type (from what I have been told). So he's got plenty of time to burn through all the other ragsand still wear the shine off a MXA page (yes I too did not think that was possible):silly: .

Okie I think it's all an association thing. Ya' hear water and you have to pee, ya' see Jody and ya' have to... (I'm just afraid with as full of it as he is that some folks may end up trapped on the throne)


Posted by: Tolson---------------------

Despite what every one thinks about the review of the CRF450R, which I must say was very positive except for a few things. Notably the rear brake which on more than one occasion has failed completely, the turning (it pushes end of story) and a motor that is mellower and easier to ride than the YZ426.

I mentioned I rode it this weekend at the World Vet on Saturday and liked it after a few modifications. I don't mention these mods as gospel just that they worked for me and thought you might be interested in the results.

As far as the brand of triple clamps and the exact pipe I ran I left those off because I didn't want you to think I was just trying to sell product for our "VALUED ADVERTISERS" as it was so nicely put.

Sincerely,

Tim Olson
Motocross Action


Posted by: VintageDirt---------------------

I'm thumbing through the pages of my just delivered MXA. And son of a gun, I need to poop. Be right back...

OK. I see a two page CRF450 ad on pages 15 and 16. A Honda Rider Club ad on page 17. One small quarter page "Stupid Hurts" ad on 19. And a "Gifts That Go" ad on page 31.

No Yamaha ads.

Could it be the fact that most of the MXA test consultants are gamefully employed by Yamaha interests. I don't know for sure what Willy Musgrave and Gary Jones are doing for Yamaha. But isn't Alan Olson a Yamaha mechanic for Doug Dubach? And isn't that Larry Brooks guy McGrath's team manager?

Just thinking out loud cuz I don't know nuthin' bout no motorcross bikes. The newest one I've been on was a 1985 MStar fivehunnert.:confused:


Posted by: Patman---------------------

So Jody rode a ______ at the WB Vet Nationals.

Fill in the blank:
A. Yamaha
B. Yamaha
C. Yamaha
OR
D. Yamaha
:silly:


Willy Musgrave :think Oh yeah! The MXA guy that finished out BEHIND BillyWho in the Pro class on Sunday at Glen Helen. (strange twist is that BillyWho was on the Yamaha and Willy was on a Kawasaki, but I can assure you Yamaha couldn't afford to have BusterWho as a team rider)


Posted by: steve125---------------------

Tim you guys at MXA have come down hard on the 450's handleing.Then you back pedal with a statement that the crapy California dirt may be at fault?, but just with this bike?.......whats next? a tech article "On how to make the 450 turn".....we shaved 2mm off the steering stops,installed new triple clamps,20in ft wheel,the rear wheel all the way back.....and it almost turns as good as a 426.....damn crapy dirt.........:scream:


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Tolson
As far as the brand of triple clamps and the exact pipe I ran I left those off because I didn't want you to think I was just trying to sell product for our "VALUED ADVERTISERS" as it was so nicely put.


Try not to pull a hamstring while you back-pedal there Timmy.

Lots of us know full well about Jody telling people you guys are in the ENTERTAINMENT business. We know you guys print stuff just to get a reaction (i.e. Cannondale), so spare us the half-hearted BS. We know at some point Cannondale will get over their teething problems and you posers will try and take credit for masterminding the turn around. You guys wouldn't recognize journalistic integrity if you tripped over it and it got rammed where the sun doesn't shine.

Shouldn't you be off working on your next great technical piece "How Barometric Pressure Changes Compromise Grip Longevity" ?

For once I have to side with the Greenies. A tree shouldn't have been cut down to print your worthless rag.


Posted by: CanadianRidr---------------------

Rich all I can say is your post is pure genius You ripped the words right out of my mouth

ps
Quote:
As far as the brand of triple clamps and the exact pipe I ran I left those off because I didn't want you to think I was just trying to sell product for our "VALUED ADVERTISERS" as it was so nicely put.


I think what you ment to say tim was,
Our valued advertiser's cheque's bounced so I won't plug them at this moment

pps, Yes Alan Olsen is a mechanic for Dubach (I hope he didn't teach timmy, or else dubach;s in for a sweet top triple clamp change when he complains about the handling:confused: )


Posted by: Tolson---------------------

Don't knock the triple offset change until you try it.

And as for the crappy California dirt that was a joke.

Not a single person that rides for MXA works for Yamaha despite what you guys think. My Dad (Alan Olson) is Dubach's mechanic, but he does it because he loves it.

I didn't mean to backpedal on the test if that's the way it sounded. The bike doesn't turn. Changing the triple clamp offset and the springs helped resolve the problem. End of story.

I hope the Cannondale succeeds with their four-stroke and resolves the teething problems. Maybe at that point they'll let us test another bike.

Now I'm off trying to figure out exactly what barometric pressure is and why it might affect my (product plug) Renthal soft half waffle grips.

Sincerely,

Tim Olson
Motocross Action


Posted by: mx547---------------------

taken from twmx's test

"we were completely surprised with the excellent handling characteristics of the new CRF450R
the CRF450R is without a doubt the most nimble big-bore thumper we've ever thrown our legs over. Test riders commented that the combination of the strong motor and excellent handling traits inspired confidence right off the bat
The bike was quite adept at catching tight, inside lines"

sounds like they think it turns. or maybe they forgot to mention that they changed the triple clamps.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------




Posted by: mxaddict---------------------

CanadianRidr, great 'quotes' post! Oh yeah, I posted it at thumpertalk.com and you cut and pasted it here.

Tim,

I would like you to tell me exactly how the YZ426 is a vastly superior race bike that handles better, is faster and has better brakes but most testers could go faster on the Honda.

Also, you say a set of heavier springs, exhaust and a triple clamp change make it your bike of choice. But it is a 'garbage scow' stock? That is absurd. Apparently 'garbage scows' and 'oil tankers' powered by minivan motors are viable options for the serious mx'er with a little tweaking. Maybe we'll see a shootout soon.

-Pro Circuit Valdez vs. FMF Mississippi flatbottom-
(Let me guess, they will both need heavier fork springs)

(now I'll have to start a thread asking Rich to mediate a dispute over Mobil 1 or Castrol 10w-40 oil in my Chrysler V6)

Julius Pleaser,

That is the funniest post I have ever read anywhere. I should be able to ride again in a couple of months after healing from hernia surgery.


Posted by: Patman---------------------

mx547 beat me to the punch, I was just getting ready to type that exact quote. Maybe they have different "turning" dirt at TWMX?:confused:

I will say this, Tim you are being a good sport about this little bash fest and even show some humor when others would be doing quite the opposite. I guess I'm hoping when Roland unloads MXA and Jody get's his just rewards that if you are left to steer the boat you'll turn it around because it's plowing more bottom muck than water right now.

A little related humor. The wife was at the store and had Little Patman with her. Thinking she would be bringing me a little suprise she picked up a MXA and put it in the cart. Little Patman saw it and said "Mommy who's that magazine for?", "It's for you and daddy", "But this one is a pile of crap", (some corrective action taken by Mrs. Patman here for his choice of words) so it goes back on the shelf. When the story is related to me my response before she finished was "That pile of crap?!" to which Little Patman was overheard laughing on the couch.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Rasing the boy right Pat.


Posted by: MX-727---------------------

I'm impressed with Tim's ability to take it and respond without fighting back. It's nice that he's here. We can ask him to clarify the reviews and he can address the differences that other magazines come up with on their tests.

As far as tests go, trying being a KX guy :mad: The bikes come in last in every test. Reading between the lines though, it's only a matter of small degrees and since most people buy a pipe, I can rest assured that for less money I can get Eric to fix the engine

I don't mind someone holding the AMA's and Clear Channel's feet to the fire. I enjoy the new products sections and it is the best catalog that I get. That's not really a slam, I have a need for the ads and prices. I break lots of parts I also can use their test to either corroborate or discount information that appears in other magazines and vice versa.

The Yamaha Action thing is actually a pleasant change for me from the early 90's when it was Honda Action. I missed the 96-98 time frame, but I imagine that would've been the glorious years of Kawasaki Action


Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

The CRF seemed to handle well on our super tight Sx tracks when i went to watch(Neil Prince won one of the nights on it).When i say small think small compared to arenacross.


Posted by: Patman---------------------

It's all about the dirt Marcus


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Patman
Little Patman saw it and said "Mommy who's that magazine for?", "It's for you and daddy", "But this one is a pile of crap"


Wise beyond his years


Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Patman
It's all about the dirt

I think ol' Tim stepped on his, er, manhood when he made that statement! That's gonna stick!


Posted by: Patman---------------------

Quote:
That's gonna stick!


Not if it's a CRF in Kali it ain't.

Yeah it might leave a mark for a bit but, really could it be the first time?

Too bad the Weasel won't pop up here :mad: Likes to talk plenty of smack when he's on the back side of a one way mirror.


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Patman
Too bad the Weasel won't pop up here :mad: Likes to talk plenty of smack when he's on the back side of a one way mirror.


Our little friend Timmy has been known to talk smack when he thinks it won't get back to you. RIGHT TIM?:D


Posted by: CR Swade---------------------

Like I said, they stepped on their proverbial YZ blue dinks. I still haven't heard one word from these guys. I think after singing their praises for so long, buying their mags since 82' they could at least tell me (the customer) to go blow or sorry, we really tanked that one (something!).

You know they probably sent out an electronic reply, but cyberspace in Kali is MUCH harder to navigate than anywhere else, much like the same forces that cause a CRf to turn into my wifes Chrysler Town & Country with two flat tires, running on four out of six cylinders. :silly:

When is that socks shootout?


Posted by: nephron---------------------

Quote:
Our little friend Timmy has been known to talk smack when he thinks it won't get back to you. RIGHT TIM?


Care to kill two birds with one stone here? (Enlighten me, humiliate him)

Quote:
I'm impressed with Tim's ability to take it and respond without fighting back. It's nice that he's here. We can ask him to clarify the reviews and he can address the differences that other magazines come up with on their tests.


Kidding, right? My beef is that these are legitimate complaints that he is not responding to. Does nothing but reinforce my belief they all thrive on throwing sticks & running away--or at least hiding.

Then again, maybe he's just getting his kicks watching all of us piss and moan about them. What's the big fuss? They are the ENQUIRER of motocross & everyone here knows it. What's the surprise? These are largely uneducated people throwing a fab mag out at the uneducated & young public. As my 4 year old son would say: "That's despicable!".:mad:


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

You guys are brutal! All the other mags are wrong, they, being the only true socal mx'ers, are the only ones willing to dis the big red wing and tell the truth! You should be thankful... they just saved you some big buckage on that CRF purchase.


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by nephron


Care to kill two birds with one stone here? (Enlighten me, humiliate him)


It's not worth going into. Let's just say it's fairly clear that our intrepid MXA editor Tim Olson can't recognize when he's bringing a pointy stick to a gun fight. It always amuses me when some pencil neck spouts off about how they want to kick me ass. :silly: (The internet seems to foster this behaviour)

The funny thing is they never seem as anxious when they meet me in real life. It must be my sparkling off-line personality that turns the tide. L M A O


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Might as well punch a brick wall, lol.


Posted by: Tolson---------------------

I'll clarify Rich's little statement.

I don't like the guy based on his holier than though attitude. Then again a lot of people don't like us because of our holier than though attitude.

So before, at or during the Indy trade show last year I said to someone (can't remember their names, might have been the Rev guys) that I'd love to meet him person just to see if he was as fun loving a person in real life as he is on the internet.

From that Rich thought I wanted to fight. Unfortunately for him I'd rather beat him on the track then in the parking lot as I'm sure he could whoop my butt. Fist fighting has never been one of my strong suits.

Sincerely,

Tim Olson
Motocross Action

PS. Maybe we'll get to meet this year if I get to go again.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Funny how stories change when passed from one person to another... by the time it got to Rich, it wasn't a nice "I'd like to meet him" .


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Here's a SHOCKER. I heard a different story from a couple of people I trust without reservation (FYI, it wasn't the REV! guys) . You haven't exactly built up any trust/intergrity points with me (or too many other people from what I can tell) so you'll have to excuse me if I don't take your word for it.

For the record there is no holier than MXA attitude. Personally I don't think you guys are getting paid off by Yamaha, or Honda or whoever, and my posts reflect that. I do know you guys are technically inept, haven't the first clue how to conduct a valid repeatable test, and gloss over facts in an effort to protect your advertising base. Jody has specifically said he's in the "ENTERTAIMENT business", so it's clear why you guys might view facts and accuracy as burdensome liabilities.
While I'll be the first to admit this is probably a very good business practice, it's HORRIBLE journalism. If you guys didn't try and pretend you were the keepers of the truth it would be easier to ignore this, but when you portray yourself in that light it shouldn't surprise you that someone might take you to task.
Lots of people feel the way I do but are too civilized to express the opinion. Frankly I don't care if people think I'm an a-hole for taking magazine jokers to task for inaccurate information and the "trust us, we are smarter than YOU" style of journalism you are so fond of.
BACK IT UP OR PACK IT UP is the advice a great tuner once gave me and it was the best advice I ever got. You might not like my attitude but I defy you to find a technical post of mine that isn't accurate or can't be backed up. Think you clowns can say the same Tim?


Posted by: Patman---------------------

Tim,
-Yes, Rich is built like a brick wall and about as solid as one.
-No, most folks would not want to start something with him unless thay had a large metal bar. (although I have gotten the drop on him)
-Yes, Rich IS as fun loving in real life as he is on the Internet, maybe more so.
-No, I don't REALLY think you guys are paid off directly by Yamaha, etc... but you have to admit it sure looks that way to a casual observer.
-Yes, Rich is VERY technically demanding of both those that provide information as well as of himself. If everyone took a similar stance we all would be MUCH better off.

I really do hope you get to meet Rich at Indy this year, I would urge you to do so. You will find him a very interesting individual with massive amounts of technical information he can back up and a good sense of humor. Now as far as the whole parking lot thing, well... sorry I won't be there


Posted by: VintageDirt---------------------

Can anybody that wants to go the the Indy Trade Show? I'd like to meet Rich and Tim. I'd even wear my new MXA limited edition shirt, but I already got sketti sauce on it.


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by VintageDirt
Can anybody that wants to go the the Indy Trade Show


It's a dealer/trade only show but a friendly dealer can usually help you get in.


Posted by: VintageDirt---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Rich Rohrich


It's a dealer/trade only show but a friendly dealer can usually help you get in.
Oh. Indy is kinda far anyway. Besides, I've already sworn to attend DW02. Maybe you and Tim could make it out to Frank Crosby's Albuquerque Sports Show in February. Last year they had a band, a boxing kangaroo, trout fishing, midgets on unicycles and everything.

Tim: there was an insightful/spiteful comment on one of your esteemed competitors web sites. They said, "It’s also cool to study how MXA has changed so greatly over the years, going from hero covers of stars from both Europe and America, to just Americans, then pretty much just their test riders and editors, and finally mostly hardware cover." Do you, as editors, make a conscious decision to change direction? Or, does it just happen over the years? Do you have the editorial freedom to make MXA anything you think it should be? Or does The Big Guy in the penthouse office pull the plug on your efforts?


Posted by: Patman---------------------

I'd venture a guess it's like the Dallas Cowboy "coaching" decisions.

Here's a little precursor to what may be happening soon. Next time your at the news stand in the middle of the month see what dirt magazines are left. (the writing is on the wall nobody's just bought the ad space yet.)


Posted by: Farmer John---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Patman
I'd venture a guess it's like the Dallas Cowboy "coaching" decisions.


Now that was just mean.


Posted by: Patman---------------------

Tim I have created a solution to create a safe environment for you at Indy. I can virtually assure you 110% that you will see no harm what so ever from Rich. It's as easy as 1-2-3.

1. Buy two plane tickets.
2. Give one to Jody.
3. Do not stand too close to Jody.


Posted by: VintageDirt---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Patman
Tim I have created a solution to create a safe environment for you at Indy. I can virtually assure you 110% that you will see no harm what so ever from Rich. It's as easy as 1-2-3.

1. Buy two plane tickets.
2. Give one to Jody.
3. Do not stand too close to Jody.



Posted by: dheard4992---------------------

i rode both,i bought the red one


Posted by: pvb---------------------

Why hasn't been there any reply from tolson to John Curea's post on the first page dated 11/5? It sounds like they royally screwed them by offering a test of their products in MXA and then reneging on the deal after MX-TECH went all the way to Cali. I can put up with the pompousness and bad attitude journalism of MXA because I'm fairly sure there has to be a changing of the guard soon (this group has been around far too long), but when you talk about outright screwing somebody and then not even replying it's enough to make me seriously rethink subscribing. Maybe I missed the reply or misinterpreted the whole context but the integrity of MXA to fellow riders is paramount to my respect for the organization and whether I'll do business with them. I'll take their opinions and filter them as I wish but don't go around inviting people for a product review and then blowing them off without even a reason or reply. That's the lowest form of life on the planet.


Posted by: Patman---------------------

No you did not miss a MXA reply reguarding MX-Tech. Tim blushed over it. Maybe something for a future issue? I doubt it. Why I would bet the MXA Wrecking Crew wouldn't know the difference between a blown out suspension component and a functioning one if somebody hit them over the head with it. Maybe I'm being over the top here though. Let's wait for a reply.:silly:


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by pvb
It sounds like they royally screwed them by offering a test of their products in MXA and then reneging on the deal


Gee, Jody and his weasel squad screwing someone over in testing? That would NEVER happen.
Tim why don't you share with us some of the stories about running some small tuning company's test engines without any oil in the gas so the engines blow up, or some of the other "mishaps" that come from submitting a product to the wrecking crew for testing. Boy you guys must really be HARD on bikes .:silly:

You guys can believe what you want about these glad handing magazine scum bags, but don't for a second think they have your best interest as a reader at heart.:silly:


Posted by: pvb---------------------

Gee, do you remember the good 'ol days of Pete Szilagyi and the "Baz"? Or even when Dick Miller was running the ship? Who let this band of misfits and reprobates in the gate?


Posted by: VintageDirt---------------------

For one day I, VintageDirt, will rule over all of the Hi-Torque empire. I will use my great and wise power to steer a new course for the mighty Hi-Torque ship. Even as we speak, a new deal is in the making (see spy photo below).


Posted by: nephron---------------------

Tim

What the hell is so hard about just publishing something that's informative as possible, reasonably objective, AND positive. And no one is even asking you to speak in technically competent terms. Furthermore, you're just making fools out of yourselves attempting to do so. Give it up, and leave it to someone else.

Also, what makes you think you have to make derogatory comments about any & all that YOU don't like? What are you achieving, bud? It's lame, juvenile, & poor journalism. I think it was MXRacer who did a review of the new KX's. You could smell them not liking the bikes, but they really said nothing overtly insulting--and certainly not in a lame, overly beaten down metaphorical manner (as you do). They even pointed out their "potential", referring to Pro Circuit's use of the KX in their program. Nothing wrong with that.

Like I said before, it's good evidence that not ONE of your staff has a useful degree beyond high school, & have spent little time even studying trials, statistics & such. Or, is it you're all geniuses, but you simply ignore your best intentions & proceed with what will sell?

It would be classic to line you clowns up in a truely randomized & double blinded bike trial. You'd make fools out of yourselves, & it wouldn't even develop beyond the successful differentiation of an 02CR250 vs. ...well, you fill in the blank. I'm tired.

As far as threatening someone physically--what a moron. Grow up, or I'll beat the shat out of ya' with the business end of my stethescope.


Posted by: VintageDirt---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by nephron
It would be classic to line you clowns up in a truely randomized & double blinded bike trial. You'd make fools out of yourselves, & it wouldn't even develop beyond the successful differentiation of an 02CR250 vs. ...well, you fill in the blank. I'm tired.
That is a grrreat idea! It could be the biggest thing since--well--since something really big. It could be a motojournalist challenge of the century. Only thing I don't quite understand is, how do you ride a motorcycle blindfolded?


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by VintageDirt
Only thing I don't quite understand is, how do you ride a motorcycle blindfolded?


Jody has been riding with his head up his ass for years, so the transition should be seamless.


Posted by: VintageDirt---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Rich Rohrich


Jody has been riding with his head up his ass for years, so the transition should be seamless.
Hmmm, there is yet another joke in there somewhere. But I'm not going after it.


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Go for it Wes, you know you want to


Posted by: VintageDirt---------------------

Well I would give it a go...but I can already hear the Hi-Torque lawyers knocking at my door because of my secret spy photo.


Posted by: CanadianRidr---------------------

Rich can you fill me in abit about Jody? I know there are some let say "issues" with the guy, but I am clueless when it comes to MXA staff (or is that a good thing:confused: )


Posted by: pvb---------------------

I hope Damon Bradshaw reads this after being crucified by MXA. It's about time Jody WEASEL (there's a profound meaning there) got a little of what he dishes out.


Posted by: Patman---------------------

Quote:
but I am clueless when it comes to MXA staff


Pretty much sums up the folks your asking about.


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by CanadianRidr
Rich can you fill me in abit about Jody?


As with most things in life it's best to form your own opinion. My opinion is just that MY OPINION :D


Posted by: Thump---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Rich Rohrich
As with most things in life it's best to form your own opinion. My opinion is just that MY OPINION :D
And that is why I have the respect that I do for the man... He has no problem telling you what he thinks, but has enough confidence in himself and respect for others to want you to form your own opinion. Rare to have in today's society... But Richy is not your average dude either. He may not write a magazine, though he could, but what this guy adds to the sport in a week is more than the entire crew at MXA will ever add. If you saw the guy at DW01 you know what I mean, he was all over the place... Flagging events, fixing bikes, pulling motors... why? because the dude just loves the sport so much he wants everyone to have a good time. His time is given with out regard to himself rather he knows who he is helping or not. Get on the bad side of him or his pals and guess what... you have lost one of the best resources dirt biking has ever known (at least in my time), and more than that you have lost THE best resource of humanity in any sport IMO.


Posted by: jeffd---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Tolson
Don't knock the triple offset change until you try it.

And as for the crappy California dirt that was a joke.

Not a single person that rides for MXA works for Yamaha despite what you guys think. My Dad (Alan Olson) is Dubach's mechanic, but he does it because he loves it.

I didn't mean to backpedal on the test if that's the way it sounded. The bike doesn't turn. Changing the triple clamp offset and the springs helped resolve the problem. End of story.

I hope the Cannondale succeeds with their four-stroke and resolves the teething problems. Maybe at that point they'll let us test another bike.

Now I'm off trying to figure out exactly what barometric pressure is and why it might affect my (product plug) Renthal soft half waffle grips.

Sincerely,

Tim Olson
Motocross Action


I don't subscribe to MXA, and I ALWAYS take anything that Jody says with 2 grains of salt.

Tim:
I gotta hand it to you for sticking around with all of these flames lapping at your backside - it can get pretty hot in here.

That being said - Perhaps you can find a way to filter out the un-warranted hotter remarks and take the essence of the complaints being lodged here and make MXA a better publication.

I, for one, tend to agree with some of the comments regarding journalistic integrity (or lack there of) based on the issues of MXA I have purchased in the past. Notice that I said in the past... I can't remember the last time I picked up an MXA to even thumb through, much less to buy.

Sincerely,
jeffd


Posted by: CanadianRidr---------------------

Quote:
Get on the bad side of him or his pals and guess what...


Hmmm :think
Im still on the "good" side right? Because if I am sitting on the same side of the fence with Timmy I will be ticked:confused:


Posted by: motometal---------------------

Not that an average rider's opinion on the actual bike originally referred to matters here, but...

I rode one last weekend, and (check my writing style, familiar?)

it had WAY more throttle response than I thought it would
it felt lighter than I thought it would on the straights
it felt heavier than I thought it would in the corners
it had less compression braking than I thought it would
suspension worked better than I thought it would--better than my 2001 CR250
power was smooth and seamless
brakes were typical Honda-top notch
handling was exactly like I expected--not as good as a two stroke...but then, I'm a two stroke guy anyway.

Would I buy one? No. Did I have fun riding it? Sure. Was it hard to start after I killed it and twisted the throttle like a bone head? Of course.

As a side note, these bikes are not quite as annoying to listen to when you are the one twisting the throttle.


Posted by: CR Swade---------------------

No repsonse yet... nothing, zip, nada. Must be heavily involved in that silencer plug shoot-out.:scream:


Posted by: CanadianRidr---------------------

LOL I can't wait to find out which one works better!!
The rubber plug one or the billet plug ? Hmmmm
My guess is the shinier one, you know how simple minds are intrigued by shiny things:confused:


Posted by: mx547---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by motometal

I rode one last weekend


i looked at one today. not to buy, just checking it out. i think that silencer did come off an oil tanker.


Posted by: Sawblade---------------------

Tim,
Since you chose to wimp out last time and not debate the few basic questions I asked back in Sept. Here is one more chances to redeem youself.

Regards,
Sawblade


Re: CRF450R vs. YZ426

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Tolson
Root of the problem since 1973.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Tim,
Why not be the root of the solution? This statement demonstrates the overall negativity that MXA has portrayed for years. Pull Jodys head out of Kalifornia. There's a much larger world of MX other then then movieland!

Print factual information that your readership can relate to outside of Kalifornia. Hell, print what you posted here about the CR450F when you write up the test story, you may find it refreshing! Hint, what I would spend my money on (To bad you didn't put this in the article).

If you guys ran your business the same as you did 15 or 20 years ago in the "real" world, pun intended. You wouldn't have a job. I know I wouldn't. I don't run my business the same as I did a year ago. It's called keeping ahead of the curve. You need to look at the surveys you conduct each year in your magazine, and on your web site when you have contest. Does it really matter if I have a BMX bike? Survey's can tell a lot, but only if you ask better questions. Many of these questions are turning 15 years old. Do your really know your customer? How is your readership compared to last year? Is your business growing?

MX has changed a lot in the last 20 years. MXA has not. I'm not talking about changing your principals on some types of advertisements. I'm more concerned with factual information in test of bikes and products.

To say the least your bike test format is very long in the tooth. Question One: How fast is it? Question Two: Hows the suspension? Etc. Please come up with a different format!

One last comment. How come Jody Weisel doesn't post on DRN? Are you doing his dirty work as the song says? Or is he the lurking type?

Sincerely,

Sawblade


Posted by: CR Swade---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Sawblade


To say the least your bike test format is very long in the tooth. Question One: How fast is it? Question Two: Hows the suspension? Etc. Please come up with a different format!

[/B]


Oh come on, I don't know what I would do if I couldn't hear what type of power I was dealing with, bruupp, braappp, buurrrpp, bada-bing, bada-boom, pphhhttt or just plain old fuzzy fart (which is one of the 7 types of way to expel gas) :scream:

I know, now I'm just being mean


Posted by: nephron---------------------

Quote:
I gotta hand it to you for sticking around with all of these flames lapping at your backside - it can get pretty hot in here.


Disagree.
Again, he is NOT adressing the questions. End of story.

It would be awe-inspiring, however, if an ASS avatar (tattood with MXA nonetheless :D ) were applied--yet he showed up frequently to debate the attributes of the varioius silencer plugs....

THEN, I would respect him.


Posted by: Mark Hammond---------------------

<Mod Edit>

Sorry Mark. As much as I might agree, you can't say that here.

<end edit>


Posted by: Joe Turner---------------------

tolson - in a fight its usually a bad idea to lead with your head

i haven't seen a beating like that since someone stuck a banana in my pants and turned a monkey loose


Posted by: CR Swade---------------------

Great, I just spit chocolate chip cookies ALL over my monitor-thanks sooo much Joe! LMAO


Posted by: bud---------------------

Could it be a matter of "any publicity is good publicity"? :think


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Ivan - Stop sniffing glue at work. Weird things come out of your keyboard when you do :scream:


Posted by: Patman---------------------

OR

Maybe the Internet sites just don't give a damn about stepping on their crusty old yellow toes because it will soon enough that the magazines will be trying to buy advertising on them? Sure there will always be a market for them but, where do you get the most daily news from a newspaper off your front step or the Internet? The day is near that we'll be able to affordibly take an electronic WEB browser in the can with us. Then we won't have to wait to see 3 and 4 month old information while ya' pinch one off.


Posted by: Patman---------------------

I must admit I picked up six copies of MXA today.

Then turned them upside down behind the Better Homes & Garden and Green Living magazines.

Then I went to the front desk and asked if they carried Racer X, Transworld MX, and Cycle News. The girl said no but if the demand was there they would. I explained to her that if they did there was a very good chance every issue would go early in the display cycle because they were the magazines "we" were looking for. She asked specifically about MXA since it always seemed to have several left on the shelf each month. I went and grabbed one, took it to her and showed her all the ads and little content then told her it wan't something I would be buying. Seemed to make an impression on her as she was the manager.

Now just imagine if everybody in this thread did the same.


Posted by: jeffd---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by nephron


Disagree.
Again, he is NOT adressing the questions. End of story.

It would be awe-inspiring, however, if an ASS avatar (tattood with MXA nonetheless :D ) were applied--yet he showed up frequently to debate the attributes of the varioius silencer plugs....


THEN, I would respect him.


Dang - can't you see I was trollin'??:scream:

Seriously, tolson does appear to be rather content with the arse whippin' goin on in here. Otherwise we might be hearing a little bit more of his side. :think

Then again, it isn't too wise to bring a knife to a gun fight, and there are plenty of loaded guns in here just waiting to go off on tolson!

My only point was that if you want to lodge a constructive complaint then do so, however, if the message is too bloody hot it will surely go undelivered.

-jeffd


Posted by: spanky250---------------------

Not that this is truly related to this thread, but why is it that the only time Tim posts anything on our site is when their is a Flame thread about MXA? If he has something to say, why doesn't he post in a forum just like everyone else? Does he simply like getting flamed?


Posted by: VintageDirt---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by spanky250
Not that this is truly related to this thread, but why is it that the only time Tim posts anything on our site is when their is a Flame thread about MXA? If he has something to say, why doesn't he post in a forum just like everyone else? Does he simply like getting flamed?
Could be one of two reasons.
  1. Deep down he really likes us and he wishes he could be one of the gang.
  2. Him and Grody get tanked up and post on DRN and laugh their nuts off.
By the way, reason number two is what got me hooked on DRN, Only I wasn't with Jody, or anyone else for that matter. But Super Hunky stopped answering my email so I got lonely.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

subscribership
Quote:
subscribership
????
Is that a word?


Posted by: motometal---------------------

I dunno, but it sure is cool!


Posted by: Senior KX Rider---------------------

We just want to get a handle on what makes you tick Ivan. Gomer won't tell us.


Posted by: Vic---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Senior KX Rider
We just want to get a handle on what makes you tick Ivan.


Not even Freud would attempt that. :scream:


Posted by: weimedog---------------------

Just read all of this...god only knows why.

I think I would pay for a Tim-Rich debate moderated by that Sam Donalson guy at ABC news...or maybe by Barbera Walters.

Questions would be the top 20 questions submitted by DRN members....and they couldn't be personal.

How about a Jay Leno deal like RC and Jerry did? The loser has to eat a "humble" pie....(a Dairy Queen ice cream cake with the humble Pie lable) in front of a live audience of DRN members....

So why doesn't some DNR folks test a few of those new CRF's? Especially those who OWN a YZ? Post for all of us to see.


Posted by: yardpro---------------------

great post but long, guess it hit some nerves.
here's a point no one has hit on yet. \

Compare the comments made from year to year about the same bike. They are very inconsistant. I've hav susscriptions to MXA and many othes for years (MXA 8 years and am not renewing this year). In '98 the test said the cr 250 had a weak motor, yet in a recent test(this or last years) they were compairing the new motor to the "rocket 98 motor".
I think that these guys are simply given more yamahas to ride. You'll get used to and like whatever you ride regularly and get comfortable with. Since all yamahas handle similarly (same test riders), they think they all handle great. This inherent prejudice should not interfere with the journalistic aspect of thier buisness, especially when they are claiming to be experts, and reccomendidg a purchase (sorta like good housekeeping does). Bike mags should not accept free bikes, and should have a manditory brand rotation for thier test riders personal bikes (provided by the mag). This would help eliminate prejudice.
It's fun to talk "brand smack" with your friends, but it should not be done in a perodicle.


Posted by: John Curea---------------------

Allright,
You guys got me fired up again......

Did ya ever notice how they beat that drum about being a family magizine, something that they can be proud of to have sitting on the coffee table. Roland Hinz said no too many months ago that they would never show even as much as a girls bare belly........well....... if you look at the latest issue, in the first part the have this girl half way of of of her riding pants (NOT THAT I HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT) but it from a magazine that preaches prudency, looks kinda hypocritical to me.....

I guess they folded up when the advertiser said "NO BUTT, NO BUCKS" !

John


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by weimedog
So why doesn't some DNR folks test a few of those new CRF's? Especially those who OWN a YZ? Post for all of us to see.


A number of DRN members own both bikes so I'm sure we'll get some of those opinions over the next few months. That brings up a good point.

I don't have any problem with Tim or MXA ripping the new Honda. They are entitled to have an opinion. My problem is the way they praise the suspension and in next breath summarily dismiss the handling of the bike. They intimate some deep understanding of chassis dynamics but offer up nothing useful in the way of a valid explanation for the conclusion they have drawn. Typical!

The idea that the MXA guys can isolate a tiny trail difference as the root cause of a handling issue is at best laughable. It's fairly obvious that the only reason they even brought it up is because someone from Honda happened to mention that one of the test riders preferred the additional trail setup so of course MXA gets to be "hard-nosed" with big red and take them to task for building an ill handling bike. Posers to the end.

I showed the CRF test to a friend of mine who is a technical writer (FYI Tim, Roland paid for the issue not me ) She couldn't believe the gibberish that passes for writing in MXA. When she asked if it was always this "style" of writing I just nodded.

It's funny that our buddy AJ who has more experience than most with big bore Hondas didn't seem to draw the same conclusions. AJ has never been shy about saying something doesn't work, but like Tim said it must be that high caster effect dirt out there in So Cal.

So I guess the conclusion I can draw from all this is I'll be seeing a lot more triple clamp ads in MXA over the next few months. I guess the upside is guys like Gary Emig and his CNC machines will be busy this winter.


Posted by: CanadianRidr---------------------

Quote:
It's funny that our buddy AJ who has more experience than most with big bore Hondas didn't seem to draw the same conclusions. AJ has never been shy about saying something doesn't work, but like Tim said it must be that high caster effect dirt out there in So Cal.


Ahh Yes Rich but did he try the tripple clamp trick:silly:
I here the red anodizing increases the turning angle by 19.212312 degrees!


Posted by: CR Swade---------------------

You heard it folks! Be sure to but the RED anodized model, not the GOLD anodized model! IF YOU DON't, YOU WILL BE A BONA FIDE IDIOT WITH POOR CLOTHING TASTES AND YOUR SLED WILL HANDLE LIKE THE EXXON VADEZ!

Lookee there, I got to be a MXA test rider after all-that wasn't so hard!


Posted by: CanadianRidr---------------------

Keep it up swade and you will put olsen out of work:scream:
lol


Posted by: CR Swade---------------------

<Sinister laugh inserted here> Then my diabolic plan shall come to fruition!!!!

<Even more sinister laugh inserted here>


Posted by: hapanese---------------------

Read just a couple of lines from the review, and it made me sick to my stomach. I too will cancel my subscription.:mad:


Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

Dang! It looks like you guys ran Tim off.

I know he was just about to post his notes regarding all the clicker, sag, and tire pressure settings (the FREE things most riders do) that MXA experimented with prior to determining the 450 needed aftermarket triple clamps. That would have been some valuable data - now we'll never get to see it. :D


Posted by: Jamir---------------------

I just wanted to reply because I think I am the only one on DRN that has yet to do so.

I hate all of the magazines. They are overpriced and underinformed. I buy them only to have something to read on the crapper. Personally, I think that the local mag here in MO, Playground, is pretty cool. I got my butt chewed from the wife the other day because she picked up my RacerX mag and every page she turned to, it had a half naked chick on it. Now, I have nothing against half naked chicks. As a matter of fact, I would like to have something against half naked chicks, but now, I am forbidden to buy that mag. I am not whipped but out of respect for my wife, who also rides and enjoys reading the mags, I am not buying it anymore.


Posted by: MX-727---------------------

My wife's favorite mag is Racer-X.

She knows it's not our fault that these girls insist on taking their clothes off whenever there is a camera around.


Posted by: CR Swade---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by KX - 727
My wife's favorite mag is Racer-X.

She knows it's not our fault that these girls insist on taking their clothes off whenever there is a camera around.


God bless her and God bless Racer X for having the cameras around when female instinct takes over


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

This is still one of my all time favorite Flame Forum threads.


Posted by: Senior KX Rider---------------------

There is some REALLY good, SHARP TONGUED debate in the archives here


Posted by: Porkchop---------------------

Cameras, skin, cameras, more body parts, cameras, monitarily influenced opinions, cameras, monitarily influenced models, cameras, oh yea.. the truth about good bikes, or less than good bikes, has rarely been found between those glossey pages.
Those glossey pages worked best for camp fire kindelling.
Hell, a couple of years ago I had a small sign made for my bike trailer that contained a very truthfull message regarding land use & eco freaks.
It reads,"SIERRA CLUBBERS SHOULD DO THEIR PART TO HELP SAVE OUR PLANET,
BY COMMITING SUICIDE". The sign has sparked some interesting gas station dialog, allowing me to ask who actually goes out camping & of those who volenteers to take care of that area & give of their time & labor, free of charge. Not one of the non riding
eco freaks said yes, in fact about 40% said they rarely even went camping.
Let them get run over by an ambulance chaser & then bleed!
issed:


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

It's sort of sad that a thread about a magazine is more interesting and entertaining than the magazine itself.


Posted by: Patman---------------------

At 13 pages the thread also has more content and significantly less advertising


Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

No girly pics though?


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------




... you were saying?


Posted by: whenfoxforks-ruled---------------------

Okay, now I want a sweat shirt and DRN stickers for my skid plates.


Posted by: Porkchop---------------------

A fine looking young lady she is, possibly of skandenavian or ukranian ansestry.....
When will she turn 18? Great sweatshirt!


Posted by: Farmer John---------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Porkchop
When will she turn 18?


8~10 years ago.


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Nice to see you posting again FJ


Posted by: CR Swade---------------------

Whodathunkit...I peek in here after a heck of a long hiatus and find this old thing laying about from nearly 10 years ago.



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