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Posted by: Wraith---------------------

http://www.backprotection.com/

I am only writting this thread to (hopefully) make people aware of a peice of saftey equipemnt I was not aware of. Until it was to late.

After a wreak that broke my back last year (that put me down for 6 weeks, but could have been wose I guess) I was informed by a member of DRN about a peice of equipment, that could have prevented my bone breakage:confused: .

My sole purpose is to inform everyone that does not have one, (and I strongly urge this) to purchae one. I know they do not guarentee anything. But the added protection ontop (actually under)of a good chest protector, is well worth the money. And the nice thing about it is, they are olso avaliable for kids.I know there are other important peices of saftey gear, as well. And I am not trying to put this atop of the list. But at least put it on your list.

People always ask me "Why do you wear that under your CP? It looks so uncomfortable?" To me it's not. But then again, I broke my back. So mabey when I first got it and put it on, I wasn't worried about feel, and was more worried about protection. Who knows? But to me me, once I'm riding I don't know it's there.

So I strongly urge everyone on here (and relay this info to others you know) to look into it, for yourself, and for your children if you have any.

I know the risks that come with riding. And I accept those risks, just as everyone else on here. But I never thught I would break my back Mabey a arm, leg, or whatever:confused: But please check into it before it's to late for you. As it was for me.

There I said my peace. Thank you


Posted by: Jay-R---------------------

This looks like it would be very protective, but from the picture it looks like it would be uncomfortable and difficult to ride in. Also, how much do they cost approx.? The way I ride, or crash, I really should get one.:confused:


Posted by: YZDezertGuy---------------------

WRAITH! Man, I wish I would have read about this about a month ago! I am definately going to purchase one. As I type right now I am sitting here in a back brace w/ 2 broken vertebrate in my back. I also preach that everyone should look into something of this sort!


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

We have requested a unit for review...


Posted by: Wraith---------------------

Click the products icon. And when you get there. Scroll down, and where it lists Adults and Kids. Click either one of the 2, and it will take you to sizing and prices.

When you get it. You trim either the top or bottom Or both. I trimmed both. I don't think they have the one pictured trimmed. Because it doesn't look like a new product. Ya know what I mean After I trimmed mine. I just taped over the peices I cut to make it look clean. But no one sees it under the jersey. And no, it isn't uncomfortable. :D


Posted by: Wraith---------------------

YZDezertGuy, man I'm sorry, I didn't get this out sooner:mad: I know you pain. And it's not something I want to go thru again. Or want anyone else to go thru.


Posted by: CR Swade---------------------

I'm sold-this thing looks like just what I've been looking for (after breaking my tailbone twice). I'm more excited about getting this for my sons, along with the EVS collar. Thanks!


Posted by: BSWIFT---------------------

After my crash at DW01 this is going on my list. As soon as the wife is up, I'm showing her the link. It will likely get ordered within the week. Thanks guys.


Posted by: Anssi---------------------

I have one of those (they are required for MX in Sweden and we get them pretty easily over here). I don't notice it while riding.


Posted by: Milquetoast---------------------

I like the idea, and may buy one. One other thing I think it could do is have sort of a "backstop" for your helmet like some football linemen use. Maybe that could prevent serious neck injury from a head-first fall that pushes the head back? That's what got David Bailey I think, or maybe it was the roadracer guy, can't remember.


Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Okiewan
We have requested a unit for review...

Very cool.

Trouble is, how much protection is enough? How much is too much? You can't protect yourself from everything.

I'm thinking about one, though . . . :think


Posted by: Wraith---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by XRpredator



Trouble is, how much protection is enough? How much is too much? You can't protect yourself from everything.

I'm thinking about one, though . . . :think


How much protection is enough? Break your back, and I will guarentee you will know for sure then. There is never too much protection. And no, you can't protect yourself from everything. But I bet this will protect mor than just having a CP on. Like they say, 2 is better than 1.


Posted by: LWilson250---------------------

I will get one after I get my knee braces. Next on my list then is the back guard then neck guard and then elbow guards... It's to bad the knee braces cost so much...

Lee W.


Posted by: JuliusPleaser---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Milquetoast
I like the idea, and may buy one. One other thing I think it could do is have sort of a "backstop" for your helmet like some football linemen use. Maybe that could prevent serious neck injury from a head-first fall that pushes the head back? That's what got David Bailey I think, or maybe it was the roadracer guy, can't remember.

I rode at Mill Creek MX with Lemming last week, and he was sportin' a new foam collar that attached to his chest protector. It was his first ride with it, and by the end of the day he was comfortable with it. I don't hve any details, but Lemming can fill you in.


Posted by: Wraith---------------------

Here is a link for a race collar. They are nice. My son has one. As long as he's under my roof. He will ride with whatever I tell him to ride with:D

http://www.promotorcyclesafety.com/


Posted by: AJ Waggoner---------------------

I'm all for protective equipment..
and i have broken my back riding.
Mine was a compression fracture,no crash,just a very hard landing. So i guess i'm not sold on that device as it wouldn't help in a compression incident?

I'm sure in other types of breaks it would be very protective and you should wear anything /everything available >shrugs<


Posted by: Wraith---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by AJ Waggoner
So i guess i'm not sold on that device as it wouldn't help in a compression incident?

I'm sure in other types of breaks it would be very protective and you should wear anything /everything available >shrugs<


No it would not help with compression fractures. But my whole objective was to just let people know it was out there. Because I didn't know, and figured others might not know as well. And I'm almost sure if I had one on during that one crash. I might not have broken anything.

But anything that protects the spine (even if the protection is minimum) it should rank right up there with the helmet. As a need to get first item. That's just my 2cents.


Posted by: MikeT---------------------

Waith, Your recent posts on the back protector have reminded me of this product. I know we talked about it a bunch a few months ago.

Because of your posts, I called Friday and ordered one. Thanks Wraith!

What do you guys think are the main differences between the collar above and the EVS collar? I will also be getting a collar and now have to decide between the two.

MikeT


Posted by: oldguy---------------------

Wraith, is it flexible? Really wondering if the lowest section flexes and does it snag the seat at all?


Posted by: Wraith---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by oldguy
Wraith, is it flexible? Really wondering if the lowest section flexes and does it snag the seat at all?


It is somewhat flexible OG. To get to the point, I cut the bottom of mine right above my crack . It went down a little further than that (when new, not cut). And then I gradually cut (ever so little) more as needed, to keep as much protection on the lower part of my spine. But to where the protector would not grab the seat. I got mine to fit me where it protects all the way to the (top) fat of my butt. And this puts the protector (while sitting on the bike) just a hair higher than my seat. So this way, the protector is not sliding up and down if I'm on the seat. And it is best to do this (cutting, to get it to fit properly) however you are going to wear it. Like, if your going to wear it under a jersey and pants. Make sure you measure (before it's even cut) it while it's being worn under your gear. Because it will flex (slightly), depending on how tight you wear your pants. And this will make a difference, in fit.


Posted by: MikeT---------------------

I just got my back protector yesterday and here are my initial thoughts.

1. I doubt this thing would restrict movement in any way.
2. It is designed to protect your spine from impacts like part of a bike hitting you when you crash (I believe David Bailey did an endo and his seat hit him in the spine). Hitting rocks and what not. It will not protect from compression injuries at all.
3. It seems very simple in design whish is probably why it works.
4. As far a s price, if you looked at it as if you were also getting a kidney belt which is about $40 to start with, the back protection is only $40 more dollars, $79 total.
5. I doubt it will interfere with my chest protector in anyway. I will be wearing it over my jersey and under my chest protector.
6. I am looking forward to wearing it.


Wraith, how do you wear yours?


Posted by: Wraith---------------------

I wear mine under my jersey. But I do because I lost a little bit of weight and it makes my pants about the right size when I pull the pants over them:confused: . But that's just me. It works over or under the jersey. Glad to hear you got one


Posted by: Milquetoast---------------------

I can't seem to find any info on the EVS neck support collar thingie, does anyone have a link with a picture of it or other info?


Posted by: MikeT---------------------

Hang on, I'll get it..


Posted by: MikeT---------------------

http://www.evs-sports.com/

I's called the RC-1 race collar

On the right side of the screen hit "GO" next to accessories.


Posted by: Milquetoast---------------------

OK thanks, I found it under accessories section. That looks pretty similar to the other link given earlier. Does anyone feel that this will prevent injuries? It looks like under a hard hit, your neck would just snap back and squish the foam down. Is the foam very stiff?


Posted by: Titanium---------------------

A few years back (maybe 5-6) there was an article in a road racing magazine about back protection. This doctor; who was also a rider/weekend racer, designed a back protector with the intention of totally isolating the spine from any impact at all. He said ANY back protection is better than none, but a flat protector still transmits the shock to the spine. He came up with a hollow channel design that would transmit the shock to the rib area on either side of the spine, as well as the usual padding on the full back. Dainese (sp?) leathers from Italy hopped on his idea if I remember and their back protectors have his design. The road race guys wear these things under a skin tight leather suit, so I would imagine comfort is an issue you can put out of your mind.

I really need to dig up that old article...I'm pretty sure he had another idea about an air-bag cervical collar thing that would be depoyed with a kill switch if you happened to leave your bike in a hurry. It was on the lower rim of the helmet; it could easily be detatched from it and used as a standard cervical collar on the way to the hospital. It wasn't even noticeable on the helmet, until it was needed. Ran off of a co2 cartridge, I think.

And last but not at all least, looking through a baseball catalog I saw these things. "ALL-STAR" brand OSI fiberglass technology, custom fit protection. These are forearm, wrist, and foot/ankle batting protection pads ranging from $12 (wrist) to $25 (foot/ankle). They are like a fiberglass cast material encased in material, with velcro/elastic straps. You just get them wet, put on whatever part of your body you want to protect, wrap it with an Ace bandage to conform perfectly to your shape, and 20 minutes later it's done. The forearm one looks like it covers all the way from the elbow to the wrist on a normal sized adult.
(The normal elbow guards for batter protection look so much better than what we have too, and cheap. These don't have the pathetic thin cross straps that never hold elbow guards in place, some look almost like a sleeve you put your arm through. Considering batters need a longer range of motion than we do, I think these would work for us. I'm going to order some stuff, if I like it I'll let you know.)

Glad you brought this up...protection is not a joke.


Posted by: MikeT---------------------

Good post Ti


Posted by: Moto-Monkey---------------------

Thanks. I ordered both the neck guard and the senior back guard today. I agree that protection is cheaper and better than broken body parts. Lets say hi on the trails instead of at physical therapy


Posted by: DirtMonkey---------------------

I am going to look into the back protector as well and I'll tell my dad about it. (He isn't on as much.) :D Does anyone have a link to the site w/ the pics of the back protector? and the price etc...

Thanx.
Dirt Monkey Jr.


Posted by: MikeT---------------------

www.backprotection.com


Posted by: Jeff Allen---------------------

Thanks for the info Wraith! After my header last year, saftey products have been BIG on my mind lately!


Posted by: BCKDXR---------------------

Check Out www.Dainese.com

Look under MTB and Safety Jacket. The Back Protector is great and has kept me out of the Clinic many times!! I manage a Downhill MTB shop and this required uniform for all of my staff. If we didn't no one would ever come to work!!! We all wear it them under our CP, they breathe well and feel great.

On a different note has anyone noticed that many of the top pros dont seem to wear much protection at all. They have lots to lose if they are injured and can't race. I have a theory that many of these athletes convince themselves that will not get injured and that wearing extra protection is a sign of mental and physical weakness. If they feel this way they will not be able to perform at the highest level.

Just A Thought? Anyone agree!

BCKDXR
'01 KDX 220


Posted by: Milquetoast---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Titanium

I really need to dig up that old article...I'm pretty sure he had another idea about an air-bag cervical collar thing that would be depoyed with a kill switch if you happened to leave your bike in a hurry. It was on the lower rim of the helmet; it could easily be detatched from it and used as a standard cervical collar on the way to the hospital. It wasn't even noticeable on the helmet, until it was needed. Ran off of a co2 cartridge, I think.



That sounds like more of what I was looking for. That would be a step in the right direction. But how about someone just makes a suit you can wear that turns you into the Mars Lander ? I'm not kidding, ever see the giant pyramid-like airbag that surrounded the Mars Lander? How about a suit-bag like thing that you activate when you think you are in BIG trouble? Maybe by a bite activated switch or similar. Car airbags are getting much cheaper, if I had something like that I could beat Vuillemin! (just kidding there). Don't tell me it won't be a "man's sport" or something, I'll be happy to be a girl if I can feel safer. :-)


Posted by: Jaybird---------------------

Great thread fellas.

Milk, why don't you go to your local kareoke bar and rent a blow-up sumo rasslin outfit. You could be safe as can be and still wear any frilly little thing you want to underneath.


Posted by: DeanPrice475---------------------

I'd be interested in seeing how badly, if at all, this equippment increases the risk of concussions. If you stiffen everything up than you might not have enough give to avoid head injuries, which are also very dangerous.

Just a thought, I've had two concussions in the last six months, three total, so first on my list of "things to prevent" is bruising my brain, it's black and blue already.


Posted by: MikeT---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by DeanPrice475
I'd be interested in seeing how badly, if at all, this equippment increases the risk of concussions. If you stiffen everything up than you might not have enough give to avoid head injuries, which are also very dangerous.

ZERO. The neck brace still lets you have a decent range of motion and it is still only a pad. Plus to get a concussion your head has to hit something. You get a concussion from your helmet hitting something, then your head hitting the inside of the helmet, then your brain hitting the inside of your skull. Since we aren't even up to your neck yet and you already have the concussive (sp?) hit, the neck brace doesn't even come in to play here.

I think since you have had two concussions you are a little sensitive and just want to be on the safe side. I can say that a neck brace like the ones talked about in this thread will not contribute to any more risk of getting a concussion then not having one. I will also say that it will help lessen the effect of a compressive hit or a bending injury to your neck. How much? I doubt if even the manufacturer knows but something is better than nothing.

MikeT



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