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Posted by: mx_scottj---------------------
I'm getting ready to purchase a new bike. I need some feedback on good things and bad things about 2002 450 and 426. I have not made up my mind on which to buy yet. Your thoughts would be much appreciated!
Posted by: motoman542---------------------
you should buy a cr450f they are so much better than the 426.
for example the 426 hits hard in mid range making it hard to clear things but the cr450f has a smoother powerband.
Another example if you go to sell the cr450f it will get more money than the yz becuase they last longer
Posted by: Seth_88---------------------
You can go to www.thumpertalk.com and find many threads that compare the two bikes -though the CR450 forums have many over-sensitive owners that are just waiting to flame any negative remark posted about their "perfect" bikes.
Posted by: BillyWho---------------------
You can start by posting in the right forum, and then go ahead and get the 450, it blows the 426 out of the water. Moved to which bike to get.
Mx, if you would rather have this thread in the Thumper central forum, let me know and I'll move it there, one or the other but not both, thanks.
Billy
Posted by: The^^Rock---------------------
CRF would be alot more reliable also......
Posted by: ktm033---------------------
Rode a buddy's CRF450 this weekend, nice bike, almost as good as my pumpkin, the YZ426F's that I have rode aren't nearly as good. If you insist on buying a CRF or a YZF and won't consider a KTM buy the CRF. 
Posted by: highflyin86---------------------
Yea, i 'd go with the crf. Very reliable bike. Hauls A$$ too.
Posted by: skthom2320---------------------
So far I haven't seen a good reason to own a CRF except "you should get the CRF it's way better."
I own a YZ426 and considered a CRF. Here is why I didn't get one. Reliability is not yet established. Replacement parts are still a little hard to come by. Tuners are just now getting their setups down. These are really just first year bike issues though. The Honda by all accounts is a very, very good bike and improves on some of yamaha's downfalls - lighter, auto-decompression (I won't say easier to start, mine always starts in less than 3 kicks, 1 when warm), separate clutch/engine oils.
Since it was the first bike for me in 25 years, I wanted something that was well established. After riding for the last 6 months I can see why weight is an issue. But you can get great deals on YZF's, be very competitive if you race, and have a huge grin every weekend if you don't. And the hit from that motor is a blast! Not only that but most will say that the YZ turn sharper as well.
If you go to thumpertalk.com you will find reports from people that have owned both.
Posted by: MxKid512---------------------
Not trying to start a flame at all, let me establish that, its just that sometimes the reliability of the YZF's is questioned in my mind. I know that for the most part the bike has been reliable to its owners but it scares me to see a bike that has been around for 5 years still have problems like exploded clutches, cracked tanks, broken hubs, and it seems like a lot of people are shearing teeth off the tranny. I know this is only a small number of bikes in comparison to the thousands of bikes yamaha sells, but it kinda makes ya wonder. :think I guess we'll have to see what kinds of issues come up with the CRF. Im sure it wont be a perfect bike either. They both are pretty close though!
Posted by: skthom2320---------------------
No flame taken! I did all the research before I bought my YZF. My conclusion was that it was no less reliable than any other *race* bike and in many ways more so. You have to take into account that a lot of posts come from people who have problems that need to be solved. It's unusual to post "hey my bike is running great and has been for the last year!"
I haven't paid close attention, but I have seen a couple of cracked case reports on the CRF on TT. It wouldn't stop me from buying one though.
My biggest concern was AVAILABILITY of parts and expertise/experience and just wanted to relay that opinion. I expect dirt bikes to break (well-not like Kawasaki's though). I just don't want to be the first person to experience a particular problem. That's the main reason I wanted to wait on the CRF and bought a YZF instead. I am very pleased with my choice.
It's funny - people get religion about their brand/model of bike. The way I see it, it is just a toy. If you like it great. If you don't, get a different one.
Regards and Happy Hunting!
Posted by: Boozer---------------------
Quote:
Originally posted by skthom2320
It's funny - people get religion about their brand/model of bike.
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some one said what i was thinking.
Posted by: MxKid512---------------------
skthom,
I see exactly where you are coming from and I agree that it would be hard to get the parts at first. I think the YZF's are great bikes and if Honda doesn't get off there a** and get a 250 four stroke out there, I will be blue in 2003.
Posted by: thickone---------------------
i work for a honda dealer and my friends ride crf's. i ride a yzf and and completely happy. i see too many crf's with cracked frames and seized motors for a new bike
Posted by: SpeedyManiac---------------------
You work for a Honda dealer? yeah right. If you don't put the oil in BOTH places then you could seize the engine. I think it would be pretty tough to break a CRF frame, unless you jump HUGE jumps. Plus, I thought you ride a ATC110?
Posted by: thickone---------------------
ya if you believe that i've got some land to sell you in florida. i'm just telling you what i have seen n the service department. three crf frames have been warrantied by honda (there good about stuff like that).
Posted by: thickone---------------------
ya out in California riders go big off jumps not like Canadian squids who ride XR's and have wet dreams about CRF's
Posted by: sharp7277---------------------
First of all the YZF 426 and the CRF 450 are 2 great bikes(unbeleivable). Ive ridden both and heres the breakdown from a experienced CR 500 and CRF 450 rider. The 426 and 450 are pretty close in everything. the only difference I noticed (and I ripped around the MX track on both) was that the CRF seemed to have a little bit more HP in all areas ( A little bit!). Yamaha is a great company, and they do have a little more experience in the 4 stroke MX world so thats a big plus! But heres the bottom line and listen up! Firstly its all in the rider and how you ride the bike, second of all If your a RACER (like Tim Ferry)then you would have your bike modified in all the areas that you feel are weak anyway ,so whats the difference? Am I right or what! The only thing I really noticed is that my 91' CR 500 would lap my CRF 450. WHY DID HONDA STOP MAKING IT!
Posted by: BEEF706---------------------
I went from a 426 back to a 2-stroke CR and my brither in law (and riding buddy) went to a CRF, the YZ is great , fast, powerful, and the handling is good, what I found on my cr is that I dont get near as tired, both from the weight and the smoother power. My bro in law says the same except that he is also overjumping stuff because the moter sneaks up on him, its faster but doesn't rip your arms out like the 426. PS I really like the suspension better on the Honda, and I never owned a red one before! I t might boil down to which dealer gives you a better deal or treats you better, they are both good machines. As far as reliability, no complaints on the YZ and so far the CR is great except for that airbox snafu.
Posted by: SoderholmD---------------------
Hey Beef706. Did you say that the cr has smoother power than the 426? Is that a real possibility. Do the 426's really hit THAT HARD? Why did the 426 wear you out sooner?
Posted by: BEEF706---------------------
SoderholmD, to me the 426 did hit that much harder. Yes it did hook up well but when you really yank the throttle on it, it felt to me as though my arms were being pulled out of the socket. Some people like that but being old and slow it really required that I concentrate and I pumped up quicker on the thumper. :scream: My 2-smoke feels just as fast but I don't get that pull. The weight difference is ,I'm sure, most of the fatigue difference, and the suspension allows me to relax a little more. I don't think my bike is slower, I still get good starts on it, but I don't feel I have to fight as hard to stay with the bike. On my Bro-in-laws CRF, I keep thinking that it's slow, because you don't get that rush and then I overjump something, so the speed must be good.
Posted by: SoderholmD---------------------
Do you do any woods work or is it mostly motorcross? I'm looking at either a late model cr or yz 426. If you do any woods could you compare the two. Have you done anything to smooth the cr out or is it that way from the factory? Thanks!
Posted by: SoderholmD---------------------
Sorry forgot to mention it will be a nike for hare scrambles
Posted by: SoderholmD---------------------
aaahhh................not a nike...........but a bike! No shoes involved!
Posted by: BEEF706---------------------
Not much woods here, but I do ride some along with some technical desert stuff. Mostly MX though, I have been in the desert more since I broke my hand. Two of the tracks here are pretty tight, and I Felt that I had an advantage on the CR cause it felt smoother to me and I could throw it around.
Posted by: MX250racer---------------------
Are you in a hurry to buy a 2002! Reason being why not wait untill the 03's come out and get the yz450 it is going to be 17 pounds lighter than the 426 and have electric strart. Not to say; about all the other features that are going to be on that bike.
Posted by: johntt---------------------
17lbs. lighter with electric start?I highly doubt it.Electric start adds 5-10lbs so the total wgt. loss would have to be 22-27llbs. to be 17lbs. lighter than current model. I would hazard to guess wgt. on par with CRF without electric start and I would still wait a year til bugs were worked out.
Posted by: mark_england---------------------
motoman how can you say crf's last longer? how many 4 year old crfs are there out there??
Posted by: BellevegasB---------------------
Why does everyone say the Yamaha is a heavy bike? I'm not arguing against that, nor am I taking either side, I'm seriously asking. I am about to buy my first bike (Honda XR650R) so I'm a newbie and don't know much, but I checked both sites and the CR is 225lb dry, the YZ 231lb dry. Doesn't seem like a big difference, and 231lb doesn't seem heavy anyway! Is this just b/c I'm about to buy a 277lb bike? Is 231lb really that heavy? Thanks for answering a dumb question that's been bothering me everytime I see someone call the YZ "heavy".
Posted by: johntt---------------------
The corporate sites are not an accurate measure of wgt.I have seen actual running wgts.[all fluids except fuel] of 231-234lbs. for crf and 247 to 251lbs for yzf so real weight difference is minimum of 13lbs. and a max of 20lbs.I can feel the wgt. difference on a motocross track,which what these bikes are intended.[unlike 277lb. xr650 desert bike ].
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