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Posted by: 99cr250---------------------

I was at the Dallas supercross and during the 125 race there was this redneck and his kids in front of me yelling KKK and booing James Stewart every time he came around. That really pissed me off alot. I think they really made fools of themselves. Whats wrong with the world when you cant get past the color of someones skin?


Posted by: Tapkawiman---------------------

Yep pretty sad, surprised someone didnt give them a thumping


Posted by: Patman---------------------

Losers! Too bad they weren't sitting a little closer to the DRN crew I'd imagine 20 of us could of quieted them down a bit since wee were all cheering for Bubba.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

"Whats wrong with the world when you cant get past the color of someones skin? "

Of course that's the way it should be, the media isn't helping, by trying to be "nice" . "James Stewart, first African American to win a SX".

So? Am I described as a Dutch American? American is good enough. Thanks.

Why the need to point out his skin color or heritage? Last I heard he is an American, male, 16 years old. He's a MX'er who won a SX, the "youngest to do so" not good enough? While we all try not to be "racisits" we, at the same time point out skin color when acheivements are made. Isn't that racisum? "First time 2 African Americans win Academy Awards".

As far as the KKK guy? I guess I would have had a hard time not doing something (I can get another Beer), but I'm just a redneck Dutch American.


Posted by: CylinderStay---------------------

And he was doing this in front of his kids? There's a dad who's setting a good example. What a role model!


Posted by: karterron---------------------

Thats the kind of father that could use a good butt-kicking, also in front of his kids.


Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Okiewan
Am I described as a Dutch American?

It's you dang Dutch Americans that make it tough on us half-Mick/half-Krauts! :confused:


Posted by: nephron---------------------

I couldn't agree more, Okie. I'm so sick and damn tired of everyone calling him "African American" and pointing out his skin color. They are absolutely as much at fault as your average toothless twinkie-eatin' confederate skinhead moron. I wish JBS would call them out on that and embarass them publically just once, to get everyone to shut up. I could care less that he's black. (And he's black, not African American--another BS PC phrase).


Posted by: GasGasSmoker---------------------

Why are you calling him a redneck was his neck red?


Posted by: CylinderStay---------------------

The bottom line is once he puts his helmet on, he's a RACER! And a good one at that. :D


Posted by: BunduBasher---------------------

I am surprised no one took exception - might be an idea to inform track security about stuff like this - could get pretty ugly in the future.

Like Okie said, what the hell has ones skin color to do with ability and achievement - The slave mentality of the media sickens me.


Posted by: BEEF706---------------------

I agree with Okie and Bundu, he's a racer, pure and simple. One of the better things about our sport, when you put the gear on noone cares or even sees what's underneath. I wish great things for this kid, not because (or in spite) of his race, but because he can do amazing things on a motorcycle that I can never do and I love to watch that happen. Having said that, I am saddened that there are still people so hate filled that they would behave in the manner described. Just sad really.


Posted by: Patman---------------------

How many times to they refer to the ethnic background of a player in any of the ball sports? Nope, just a way to try and generate attention.


Posted by: Badgas---------------------

I'm going to have to dissagree with ya'll on this one. For the most part I agree with the whole "you can't asked to be singled out and be part of the majority" mentality. But it would be wrong not recognize Bubba as the first "African American" to win a SX or the first "African American" amateur champion. That would be more wrong than not acknowladging him as the youngest SX winner in history. What if Colin Powell became President? Would it be right to not acknowledge him as the first "African American" president? But I do believe that once the minority has accomplished what the majority has then it's a different story and singling out people by their race is counterproductive.

Also I agree that the KKK guy needed a good a$$ kicking.


Posted by: 326mx---------------------

Who cares about his skin. He has one of the smoothest, fastest and most entertaining styles ever. And being the first "AA" power to him I mean hey this kid is doing something he loves. And any true motoX fan shouldn't care about the skin or nationality of a racer? And 10 bucks says if that Redneck hadn't known who he was he woulda rooted him on.

Jason


Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Who said he was in Alcoholics Anonymous? I thought he was just black.


Posted by: Badgas---------------------

Hey XRp,

I went back and edited my post from "AA". Don't want a bunch of confussed drunks showing up to the next million man march. :confused:


Posted by: Patman---------------------

How far could they really march though.


Posted by: MotoManiac---------------------

I find that hard to believe....


Posted by: BunduBasher---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Badgas
I'm going to have to dissagree with ya'll on this one. For the most part I agree with the whole "you can't asked to be singled out and be part of the majority" mentality. But it would be wrong not recognize Bubba as the first "African American" to win a SX or the first "African American" amateur champion. That would be more wrong than not acknowladging him as the youngest SX winner in history. What if Colin Powell became President? Would it be right to not acknowledge him as the first "African American" president? But I do believe that once the minority has accomplished what the majority has then it's a different story and singling out people by their race is counterproductive.

Also I agree that the KKK guy needed a good a$$ kicking.


Badgas, to acknowledge or make an issue of ones race with regard to any achievement is just plain wrong IMO - what the hell has this to do with anything - my kid has white and Indian (India) blood, I would be totally pissed off if he were to be acknowledged the first Indian European Caucasian to have achieved this or that (And for freaks sake, he is not a minority!) - this is the slave mentality I am talking about. When we can get to the stage where we can acknowledge that there is only one race (the human race), and that no race, creed, or nation is superior/inferior - where role models are respected for their achievements, morals etc, and not their ethnic background, then we can go forward - racism is racism be it reverse, affirmative or otherwise. BTW, what the heck is a minority, if you are a Ch-ristian, then you are in the majority, be you black or white, a white single male who is an a-thiest is probably a minority. We are all just individuals, and are all minorities - protect the individual, and you protect us all.

If you can convince me otherwise, just why ones race should be an issue with regard to achievement, I may just have a change of heart. Making race an issue to me implies inferiority, achievement outside the normal, and in my mind we are normal regular human beings regardless of race or ethnicity or even disability.

Unfortunately, it is the system we are in that creates and perpetuates these issues, stereotypes etc, which only leads to division and hatred, and fuels the fires for the extreme elements i.e. the KKK fool in Dallas.

I have much respect and admiration for the DRN crew who have never made this an issue, nowhere have I ever seen an announcement regarding JBS and his race or ethnicity, only JBS and his achievements. This is the way it should be.


Posted by: Tapkawiman---------------------

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black, I couldnt agree more about what that guy said or the way they treat Stewart because of his skin color. But whats the difference when you call that guy a rednick, isnt that putting a label on something which after all is what we are talking about?


Posted by: Badgas---------------------

BunduBasher, I'm a Thirty something white guy. Probably one of the most discriminated against groups in America. I am no fan of Affirmitive Action or anything of the such. I just don't see what's wrong with acknowledging Bubba as the first African American to win a SX. It just doesn't hurt my feelings one bit. It is no different than Jackie Robbinson being the first African American to come out of the negro leagues to pro baseball, or Tiger winning the masters or Arthor Ash winning Wimbeldon. Just because Motocross is not and has not been viewed as a sport that excluded Blacks at one time (ie. Tennis, Golf, Baseball) does not make Bubba's achievements any less significant. I think it's great. Maybe this will bring more African American people into our sport. Lord knows we need all the support we can get to save us from the "greens." Intergration of the masses is what is going to give us the society most people want. And if that includes saying Bubba is the first African American to win a SX or a championship. Then that's fine by me. Burying our heads in the sand and saying "why can't we just all get along" is not going to solve the problems of the Human race. Do you think the Middle East crisis, which is based solely on religion and land, is ever going to get solved until each side decides to understand from where the others point of view is coming from? Be it race or religious discrimination, our society will never grow to what most people view until people understand and accept the differences in race and religion. And if that mean saying bubba was the first, fine. Maybe that statement will send a message telling other people "Hey, come on in the waters fine." You're never going to get rid of all the bigots. But Bigots only exist because of the lack of education.

Here's a hypothetical. If the next Heavy Weight champion of the world were a White guy what would you say? He's a great fighter? It's been 50 years since there's been a white heavy weight champion? Being white shouldn't have anything to do with it but it's not the norm. And until we make it the norm for all races and religions to be intergrated in all walks of life then we will always have the KKK guy that needs his A$$ kicked.

I also respect the fact that the DRN crew has never made this an issue. I just responded to a thread someone posted and gave my opinion. I was not looking for a fight or trying to offend anyone. I can respect everyones opinion. I just hoped people would respect mine. That is what makes life fun meeting different people and learning about our differences.


Posted by: BunduBasher---------------------

Good point Tapkawiman - is the term Redneck synonymous with ra-cist ? If not, then the heading should just refer to a ra-cist spectator from Dallas.

The real issue here is not about labels, but rather about a ra-cist bigot shouting obscenities at a competitor because of their race. I guess the reference to labels is relevant with regard to racism in general.


Posted by: Badgas---------------------

Quote:
But whats the difference when you call that guy a rednick, isnt that putting a label on something which after all is what we are talking about?


Tapkawiman,

Who are you referring to when you say "you call that guy a rednick"?


Posted by: BunduBasher---------------------

Badgas, you fail to answer the question, why is it necessary to acknowledge ones race with regard to achievement. Until you can answer this question with a real answer we can never go forward. BTW, I was born in Africa, my father was born in Africa, this makes me an African , no ?! , my daughter was born here, she is an American, is she a minority, definitely no, is she an Indian American, or Asian American, or even an African American ? no matter what the system or media tries to label her, she is an American. Would it be right to label her if she ever achieved anything, won an Olympic gold etc, I would hope not. What if my wife were Black and not Indian, same question, why now does she become a minority worthy of recognition, a white father, and black mother ! - this is the type of thinking we need to eliminate - education yes, but slave mentality education, hell no ! - To keep things in perspective, in South Africa, and other countries around the world, race has nothing to do with ones role models or recognition of achievement, why the disparity here ?!

I think your statement/question about a white heavyweight boxing champ says more about the slavery mindset than anything else - a mindset we need to grow out of.


Posted by: Jeff Gilbert---------------------

I can't figure out if you talking about stewart of the fan.

Alan, I worked with a guy (black) from Los Angeles and his interpretation of a redneck is different from a Texans understanding. I guess it depends on where people are from as to how they interpret the meanings. To me a redneck is surely a stereotype but most people I know and consider a redneck are proud to be called one. Sort of a country boy set in his or her ways.

I don't care what color peoples skin is, it's what's underneath that counts. By the same token, what's underneath might not be understood by the person making the analysis.

I'd like to mention a quote from a movie which I failed to post in the other thread, I like this one a lot but I guess it's up to the readers of this post to see if it can be associated to the topic at hand.

"Life is not a problem to be solved, it's a mystery to be lived."
That's how I'd like to look at life all the time

man, that was deep


Posted by: BunduBasher---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Gilbert
I can't figure out if you talking about stewart of the fan.


Both, the issue of the ra-cist fan, and the issue of our ra-cist media !

Quote:
Life is not a problem to be solved, it's a mystery to be lived."
That's how I'd like to look at life all the time


For a rock star (wannabe ) , I would have thought the meaning of life would be "a mysterious woman who needs to be loved kinda problem !" - or was it "money for nothing, chicks for free" philosophy ! :confused:


Posted by: Jeff Gilbert---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by BunduBasher


For a rock star (wannabe ) , I would have thought the meaning of life would be "a mysterious woman who needs to be loved kinda problem !" - or was it "money for nothing, chicks for free" philosophy ! :confused:


That's no my mystery to be solved, that's a challange to overcome.


Posted by: nephron---------------------

*Moderator Edit - You guessed right. No need to bring that up again*

Alright, I expect that to be removed, but this kind of stuff means a lot to me I guess.


Posted by: zeroo---------------------

There are some valid points here...but,people like those "rednecks"will always be around,just like people who call other people rednecks :whiner:.But pretending someone isn't black/red/white/blue doesn't help.I think it creates a false atmosphere.James is black.I am white.We are both Americans.I think its great to see a black person ride mx.I personally don't see alot of riders other than white.Trying to ignore a person skin color is a dead end.


Posted by: CPT Jack---------------------

Bundu,

When your kids start filling out college applications, don't forget to apply as an African-American for any kinds of scholarships/grants. Hey, why not, you're entitled! :D

At least if they ever get called on it they can say "I'm South African. Which Country in Africa are you from?" Sometimes the Johnny Rotten in me likes to stir things up. :confused:


Posted by: slideways11---------------------

My best friend is from South Africa and when he first came to Mexico I was introducing him to some of the locals. Anyway one of my friends here asked him where he was from and he told the guy South Africa. My friend seemed kind of shocked and said but your white!


Posted by: BunduBasher---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by zeroo
There are some valid points here...but,people like those "rednecks"will always be around,just like people who call other people rednecks :whiner:.But pretending someone isn't black/red/white/blue doesn't help.I think it creates a false atmosphere.James is black.I am white.We are both Americans.I think its great to see a black person ride mx.I personally don't see alot of riders other than white.Trying to ignore a person skin color is a dead end.


I think you miss the point zeroo, trying to ignore a persons skin color is just the beginning. Are we not stereotyping or guilty of ra-cism when prefixing a persons achievements by their race or ethnicity ? - How about just gender bias ? - 'She's fast for a chick', or 'Bubba's quick for a black dude' ! - Will you be prejudging or labeling my son or daughter because they have Indian/Asian blood. Will you be one of the people pigeonholing them as a minority, labeling them as Asian American - I for one won't. God help the first person who refers to my kids as Asian American. I will spit in their eye.

James is black, Negroid, I am white, Caucasoid - so what ?! - the differences are skin deep, my wife is black, Caucasoid, my kids are brown Caucasoid Euro-Asians. I can recognize the historical, racial, and ethnic differences, this does not mean that you or anybody else should treat them differently. To make mention of their race in any context other than for geographical or historical reasons, especially with regard to individual achievement to me is offensive and ra-cist in the extreme.

To keep things in perspective, JBS, RC, and TP have been riding and racing together since they were kids - how do you think they view each other with regard to each others and their own achievements, how do they relate as competitors ?, how do they relate as human beings. Do you think for one second race is an issue ?! - No, so why should it be an issue to us !?

One last thing, if you were to achieve any kind of greatness, be it academic or athletic, would you yourself be thinking of yourself as the greatest or first White to have achieved this accolade, would you take exception if someone were to refer to you as the first White or European or Euro-American to have made this achievement. If so, and you do take exception, are offended, ask yourself, why ? - why the contradiction, why the hypocrisy, why do you feel comfortable referring to ones race and their achievements and not your race and your achievements ?!

I for one would prefer if we saw each other and treated each other as blue - true blue Americans.

CPT Jack - If all else fails I may just have to take your advice in the future - why pay for it, when you can get it for free !


Posted by: zeroo---------------------

Look,Maybe being from SA,you have a much different veiw.But in my small world(not venturing to far from home) I find it hard to to watch a supercross race that Bubba is becoming a big part of and not mention he is the "first".I'd like to get Bubbas point of veiw on this.If I was him I would be proud of the fact.Same If I was any color other than white.Same if it was a woman.

May'be I do miss the point.Talking about skin color,nationality,or gender doesn't have anything to do with racism to me.I don't dislike someone that is faster than me because of their skin color/nationality/gender-I dislike them because they are faster. :D


Posted by: BunduBasher---------------------

zeroo, it really is quite simple, take DRN for example, you have no idea who is behind the screen. Would it be appropriate for DRN to welcome its first African American member ?!

If we had a member who was a successful racer, would it be OK to say or title something about this persons success and include their race - for example - "DRN's very own Blue-American BigAldee wins his first race" - hell no.

If you were watching my son race, would you be saying "Heck JD is one crazy racer, we need more Asian-Americans in our sport ! " - probably not !

What is really important about JBS's success, is that kids from all walks or life, regardless of race or creed, can take a look at MX, and see that it is a truly open sport, all competitors are welcome, and that no matter who you are, you can succeed, win and be the best.

Quote:
Originally posted by zeroo
I find it hard to to watch a supercross race that Bubba is becoming a big part of and not mention he is the "first".


Do you apply the same logic to Michael Jordan ?!, how about tennis and Michael Chang ! - you should be asking yourself, 'why I am thinking this way - what difference does it make'. It all goes to mindset.

In my profession, computer programming/consulting, we have people from all walks of life, all nations, creeds, religions etc. I could not imagine handing out an accolade to anyone who is successful and mention their race in the same breath ! - which is probably why I find it crass and offensive that this is acceptable in sport and the oscars.


Posted by: Badgas---------------------

Quote:
What is really important about JBS's success, is that kids from all walks or life, regardless of race or creed, can take a look at MX, and see that it is a truly open sport, all competitors are welcome, and that no matter who you are, you can succeed, win and be the best.



Bunda, That is exactly my point and it has been the whole time. I don't know where you read in any of my post that telling everyone JBS is "African American" is mandatory. I just don't have a problem with people saying he was the first in SX. And if JBS's success brings other people into this sport that's great. It's bringing the same kids into our sport as the ones your talking about in your quote.

Also, I don't know where you and Capt Jack have found anyone on this thread saying a certain group of people should get something free because of their race. Frankly, trying to bring that into this thread is totally uncalled for.


Posted by: BunduBasher---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Badgas
I just don't have a problem with people saying he was the first in SX.

and therein lies the crux of the issue, would you apply the same thinking to any other person in the same position ? - Are we going to have to put up with the first Native Indian American in MX, the first Chinese American, the first Indian American, or say my kid, the first Euro-Asian African American ... the list goes on ad-nauseum, or does this only apply to Black Americans ?

Quote:
Also, I don't know where you and Capt Jack have found anyone on this thread saying a certain group of people should get something free because of their race. Frankly, trying to bring that into this thread is totally uncalled for.

I think this was a tongue in cheek comment about my kids being able to apply for 'African American' sponsorships when registering for college. I see the joke, I also get the irony. Uncalled for, yes.

One other note:
Quote:
It is no different than Jackie Robbinson being the first African American to come out of the negro leagues to pro baseball, or Tiger winning the masters or Arthor Ash winning Wimbeldon.

Glad you mentioned Tiger, because Tiger has a mixed heritage, and has used the term Caublasian to describe himself. Tiger has never denied his heritage, yet it has been the media, and political groups that have tried to claim and label him 'African American'. Tiger is just a good old All American kid, and his race ...well... human !


Posted by: wildmanmike---------------------

im old enough to be james's dad..i live in the south and im going to tell you...he has more support around here than you could imagine....when he's racing we all cheer for him and you should see some of the guys i ride with..if you seen them on the street without knowing them you would swear they were the biggest rednecks you ever saw....but he is so much fun to watch..he has his own style....kinda like rc's...wild but controlled....he's a good kid and he can do great things in this sport....i hope he wins 7 or 8 championships atleast.


Posted by: motohead00---------------------

The only race there should be the one on the track. BunduBasher stated it best so I will just leave it at that.


Posted by: *william*---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by XRpredator

It's you dang Dutch Americans that make it tough on us half-Mick/half-Krauts! :confused:


Ha! I knew there must be a reason you crack me up so much Pred. We's practically kin.

Actually I'm a 3 generation Californian, and those damn mid-westerners assume were all fruits and nuts, rather than proper gas-burnin, desert racin' types.


Posted by: *william*---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by BunduBasher


Badgas, to acknowledge or make an issue of ones race with regard to any achievement is just plain wrong IMO - what the hell has this to do with anything - my kid has white and Indian (India) blood, I would be totally pissed off if he were to be acknowledged the first Indian European Caucasian to have achieved this or that (And for freaks sake, he is not a minority!) - this is the slave mentality I am talking about. When we can get to the stage where we can acknowledge that there is only one race (the human race), and that no race, creed, or nation is superior/inferior - where role models are respected for their achievements, morals etc, and not their ethnic background, then we can go forward - racism is racism be it reverse, affirmative or otherwise. BTW, what the heck is a minority, if you are a Ch-ristian, then you are in the majority, be you black or white, a white single male who is an a-thiest is probably a minority. We are all just individuals, and are all minorities - protect the individual, and you protect us all.

If you can convince me otherwise, just why ones race should be an issue with regard to achievement, I may just have a change of heart. Making race an issue to me implies inferiority, achievement outside the normal, and in my mind we are normal regular human beings regardless of race or ethnicity or even disability.


WOW. Very well said Bundu. Kudos.


Posted by: tx246---------------------

how should we treat the first "female" to qualify for a pro supercross main? would it be a slap to not recognize the feat. so its not a "race" but it is a different segment of the population. i think recognizing "firsts" like this helps bring the equality issue to mainstream thinking. ie jackie robinson, amelia airheart ect. it also inspires people in a group who through current social conditions might not think it possible. remember tiger woods when he first appeared? now no big deal. i agree that we are all people but not to recognize firsts seems counterproductive. another segment of the population is age. older people are doing physical things today that were thought impossible not too long ago. even in this sport. look at larocco, dowd, mcgrath ect. 10 ys ago ill bet not many would bet on a 30 yr old making podiums.


Posted by: zeroo---------------------

Excellent point,even though it seems most of the replys here want you to walk around blind.If someone has a problem with another recognizing their race,age,sex,and ethnic background,that just says to me they are ashamed.
Good point on the age.Now that I am "getting up there" at 30,I like seeing the old timers kick a little behind.


Posted by: 2001yz250---------------------

Bubba is black?

but seriously(kinda), it's ok with me if he's the first ... whatever, but I don't agree with the term 'African American'. I don't think he was born in Africa. I guess Brown is the first hillbilly to win a SX championship! I would venture to guess that Kawasaki is promoting the 'race' issue as much as anyone. They think they got another Tiger Woods and want to cash in. That's ok with me, too. To me, he's just another blazing fast rider with a bright future, just like he was riding 60's at Muddy Creek.


Posted by: BunduBasher---------------------

tx246 - good point, we no doubt would recognize this achievement without undue hassle. What would be your point if it were a black female ? - Gender and race are hugely different issues. As to Tiger Woods, perfect point, why all the hullabaloo ? what is the mindset that says we should all get excited because of this guys race - especially since the guy has the heritage of all the worlds races. If you can answer the "Why", then you will realize what a load of crap all this really is !

As to being ashamed of ones race or ethnic identity, what a load of crock - the point is, this is not something that plays a part in your achievement, it does not make you a better athlete, or any better at your job.

Answer me this zeroo, lets say my son were to win an SX race or make the podium, whatever. Would you or the media be jumping up and down saying "WOW - the first Asian American to do this !" ? - The sad answer to this, is probably YES ! - Add to this, if he were to protest, and say, "Hey, leave my race and ethnic identity out of this", are you then going to jump up and ask him if he is ashamed - get a clue man !

I guess some people have no idea as to how hurtful and divisive this kind of stuff can be.

Far from suggesting that we walk around blind, I would suggest we remove the blinkers which cause blindness. Open your eyes rather, and see.

I think by mentioning age, you answer the gender question as well. Certain sports have a use by date, and the younger, fitter, and stronger you are, the better chance you have at succeeding in that sport. A young, strong, fit and talented male, has huge advantages over older males as well as females. For an older male to achieve success in this environment is a huge accomplishment, the same applies to a female competitor as well - thus recognition is justly deserved. In this scenario race plays no issue - chalk and cheese - no ?



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