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who should we send to des nations?
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Posted by: jake949---------------------

At this point in the season who is your vote for the big show? my picks are

open= TIM FERRY
250 = RC (like this is a question)
125 = bubba

my team looks strong. is there a better team out there?

Posted by: ktmboy---------------------

Bubba needs more experience. My picks would be:
OPEN-M. LaRocco
250-Carmichael
125-M. Brown

Posted by: kiwi_925---------------------

do you all not know that there is no 125 class, the riders can choose to rider whatever bike they want

Posted by: JUSTRIDE415---------------------

RC
Ferry
Reed

Posted by: karterron---------------------

Reed is Australian so not elgible for US team. The Australian team could be a major threat this year.

My picks are

1. RC
2. LaRocco if healthy if not then Stewart or Brown
3. Ferry

Posted by: super rat---------------------

I say we send Bubba on his 125 and let him kick Everts and Pichons but Jhonny O style

Posted by: jake949---------------------

RC, bubba and brown all on 125's i think we still have a good chance.

Posted by: JUSTRIDE415---------------------

I'm terribly sorry i forgot about Reed being the aussie

Posted by: slideways11---------------------

The Florida wrecking crew Timmy, Ricky and Bubba. Must be something in the water there that makes these guys so fast!

Posted by: Starwest #9---------------------

1-250 - RC
2-Open (using a 250 ) a HEALTHY Pastrana, otherwise Ferry in the 450F.
3-125 Stewart

All three are the top riders in the USA barring injuries

Posted by: bclapham---------------------

i am hoping for the call for the british team!

Posted by: angry jim---------------------

RC
Stewart
LaRocco or Ferry, whoever's healthier and hotter when the time comes.

I'd have liked to see Brown go last year, but he's done nothing to justify a spot this year.

Posted by: 326mx---------------------

My pics are... drumroll please.

RC
Ferry
Bubba

Bubba may be inexpierienced but oh boy is he fast

Posted by: nephron---------------------

Are there any production rules, since they've done away with the classes?
If not, I'd say send RC & LaRocco out on CR500AF's

& Ferry on a YZ450F. Everts on his 500cc 4 banger wouldn't have a chance. Bye-bye.

Posted by: kmccune---------------------

Quote:

Originally posted by bclapham
i am hoping for the call for the british team!

I'm with you, if they put ME on the US team , the other teams would loose for sure! It's hard to ride when you are laying on the ground laughing

Kevin

Posted by: bclapham---------------------

kevin, i have a secret weapon.....ive been riding the MXDN track for the past two weekends so with that advantage i think i am sure to get the call!

Posted by: kmccune---------------------

bclapham, Well you got one one me! How is the track?
Kevin

Posted by: kmccune---------------------

Quote:

Originally posted by kmccune
bclapham, Well you got one on me! How is the track?
Kevin

Posted by: bclapham---------------------

its great, i cant really compare it to anything else though since i havent been riding long so its the first full size track ive riden! it was very sandy the first week , very physical, but is firming up and getting some quick lines already after 1 week. it was designed by the FIM and is long wide and flowing, like the GP format, however, it is in a flat area (no natural terrain) so i think it will excellent for spectators and TV alike. i cant wait to go watch

later

Posted by: jake949---------------------

we could send a retired team wouldn't that be funny.
Hughes, Emig, Henry, and Dubach

if you think about it those retired riders would still do very good at the desnations. i picked four because we need a allternate.

Posted by: TheGrinch---------------------

Quote:

Originally posted by JUSTRIDE415
RC
Ferry
Reed

You wish! Reed is going to make you guys wish he was American.

Posted by: jake949---------------------

lol i don't think so not while we have bubba, reed is good but he is no bubba

Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

No you are correct jake Reed HAS a championship:

seriously though reed came in with no hype on tracks he hasnt rode and dominated, stewart is without a doubt prorbably the fastest rider on the planet but i dont think he will stop crashing, i may be proved wrong but thats my prediction, he is the fastest but not the best.

Posted by: KiwiBird---------------------

Bubba WILL be the best, right now he is just finding where the edge is and occassionaly stepping over it and crashing it. He has phenomenal control at the limit like RC, RC has more experience now but Bubba will be better than him in the end.

JMHO.

The US has a tremendous talent pool - probably the best in many years.
RC and Bubba for sure, then pick who ever is healthiest from the rest of the cream.

Posted by: bclapham---------------------

marcus: that kid is for real, accepted he was disappointing in SX but outdoors he has only lost points when his kwaka bombed out. he even stood upto brown, something not many people have managed, not bad for a 16 year old. Reed was the hot ticket with the all of the SX wins, but it is clear to be seen he has been humbled somewhat in the outdoor season.

you know the european scene well, who do you think will be able to match the speed of RC and stewart? is everts, dobb pichon? anyone else?

Posted by: mkuder---------------------

Dicky C, uhh I mean Ricky C (Sorry, IMO he is a pompus a$&)
Mike LaRocco
Tim Ferry
(Cooper or Dowd alternates depending on how they finish out the season)

Posted by: jake949---------------------

yes Reed has a championship, but we all know the world championship is not the top crown to be had, like arena cross compared to supercross.

Posted by: Motoxkx80---------------------

cARMICHAEL
sTEWART
REED

Posted by: TheGrinch---------------------

Thought that might get a few replies

Just stirring you all up.

I agree, Stewart is definately been proving he is faster than Reed outdoors.

Reed needs to get some better starts and push the envelope a little more. I think that's the only way he'll beat Bubba.

Posted by: Combat767---------------------

Open - LaRocco ( If Healthy)
250 - Carmichael
250 - Henry (For not riding much he sure has kept his speed)

Alternates - Ferry, Lusk(Been pretty consistent lately)

Stewart is fast when he can keep it on two wheels.
Reed is fast also, but may not be healthy by the end of the season at his current crash rate.

Posted by: bclapham---------------------

Quote:

yes Reed has a championship, but we all know the world championship is not the top crown to be had, like arena cross compared to supercross.

Jake: 1. reed does not have a world championship

2. Please do not compare the world GP circuit to the american national circuit, you are well of the mark! americans have a very good habit of conducting a series in their own country and then calling themselves "world champions" eg baseball and american football. look at your Cart championship for example, Alex Zanardi was unbeatable in america, but was really bad in formula one. yet Nigel Mansell won the formula one and then came over here and made fools out of his competition in Cart. Yes, i do expect RC and Bubba and whoever else will win the MXDN, but i would love to see how they would get on with the GP circuit, visiting different counties and the like week in week out. Yes they are american champs, but if you want to be the world champ, then you have to win your championship around the rest of the world!

sorry, but I have more respect for Roberts jr (500 gp world champ) edwards (world superbike) and John Kozinski (250 GP world champ, superbike world champ) than any of the RC's or bubba's of this world since they took it to the rest of the world and won! have you herad of those guys? probably not! look outside the box!

Posted by: kiwi_925---------------------

also there must be money made in the USA otherwise they wouldnt be going there, also DK - YZF425, Ben Townley - SX250 and Josh Coppins - CR250 are team NZ for the des nations, dont count us out, we finished 3rd last year.

Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

Jake, reed has the 125sx championship-stewart doesnt have any at present-he may win the nationals he may not -we will have to see.
I wish pichon could go back to to the Nationals-he is on fire-he is about the only euro who could push RC IMO.He is blitzing the Dobb and he as you know was very fast at last years MXDN, Evert is a amazing rider but doesnt perform well in a enviroment he isnt use to.Smets could best anyone on his day(yes ANYONE)but until recently is injured again and isnt on his top form.Last season when he rode the national he had a groin strain which meant he couldnt train-he still got 5th overall i think and he wasnt even use to riding 2 motos anymore.Its funny to hear US people talk down euros but who pushed your championship winners last season? it wasnt US riders it was the euros-who are the factorys looking to hire-euro riders again.The US does have alot of good riders but then look how many it has to choose from.How many people ride competitvely in say UK or New Zealand compared to the US??And i would adgree 100% with bclapham the NATS arnt the World championships and you should all recognise that fact.They are very different and until you understand this you are burying your head in the sand. I love to watch the MXDN as its the only time to see ALL the best riders together but it doesnt really prove that much-its only one day and a few motos.America is such a big country it doesnt need to look at whats going on around them as much as others, but its your loss if you dont.

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Silly Euros . . . :confused: (and you crazy Aussies and Kiwis!)

USA, all the way this year. We've got something to prove.

Posted by: OLD-N-SLOW---------------------

Stewart is to fast to leave off. RC, Bubba,Ferry. All from fla, just to even the field some for marcus, one little corner of the USA.

Posted by: Stretch374---------------------

I’ve never been to a GP or even seen one on TV.

Can someone with some experience with at least seeing both some GP’s and Nationals races tracks give a little more insight on how they typically differ.

I’m also curios how this will effect the riders.

I’ve read that the DeNations track is on a fairly flat piece of land and that the DORNA
wants a more highflying track. I would think this is a huge advantage to the US. riders.

Posted by: Mx Dude---------------------

Stretch374,

I've never been to a GP, but here's my .02 worth....

I believe Dorna provides the design specifications for the MXDN track. As with all GPs, no doubles, and no whoops. This doesn't mean there aren't any big jumps, just no doubles. With that said, I have to disagree with your statement regarding DORNA "wants a more highflying track".

It's also my understanding that most GP tracks are less technical, and faster than most of the National tracks here in the US.

As far as picking the US team, maybe we should have a couple of races at the track prior to the MXDN and take the top three ????

Since it appears the track is very sandy, my picks would be: RC (of course), Ferry and perhaps LaRocco. All of these are good sand riders and the big bores of Ferry and LaRocco should do well in the sand. Although Bubba hauls, I'm not sure how he'd do against the big bores in the sand.

Posted by: 380EXCman---------------------

Im a little ignorant on this subject so maybe someone in the know can educate me. What country has won the most Des' Nations? Who has had the longest streak of wins?

As for our team? Send RC, Bubba, and TP all on 125's. We will still dominate the rest of the world. Boowhaahaahaa....

Oh and I think we should start a petition with the AMA to change the name of our Motocross and Supercross series to the World Outdoor Championship and the World Supercross Championship.... Because we all know who the "real" champions are........

Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

The UK has the most wins.Not sure if we have the longest streak but i bet were up there.

The gp tracks are smoother and faster than national tracks-so much so many riders like brown and hughues took a while to get use to the faster speeds.The tracks are more open but do have some huge jumps.You see the difference is also the riders /teams have to travel around the 'world' and so have to eat different stuff, try to communicate to people who dont speak there native language-the weather varies as you would imagine-all these things make it harder than travelling around you home county-hell i can drive to any part of england in less than 6 hours.Im not for one minute saying RC couldnt win a world championship -he could, but what does it say about him that all he desires is to win yet more mx/sx titles-how many do you need?riders like Seb/Everts are constantly pushing themselves by setting new goals-they have 125/250/500 titles betwen them but they move classes/counties to keep stretching themselves.I think everts would love to race in the US but he cant really do sx and no one would employ him to ride just mx.I think a major problem for the euros in america is they get demotived during the sx series as they havnt grown up riding sx so it is hard to compete.So when the mx series start they are often injured or not mentally strong.

Posted by: jake949---------------------

i knew that would stir the pot up a bit.

If the so called world championship is the top series how come the there champs come over here after they win a title? If your the world champ why make a step down to play with the amaricans?? And why make a step down and let the americans beat you?

And now that our supercross series is the world championship series looks like we are getting closer to having the titles in the right places

P.S. this is just freindly PRE mxdn mud slinging.

Posted by: angry jim---------------------

Bobby Moore and Trampas Parker both won world titles for the US. They couldn't get a decent ride in the states. The fact is, that no top US motocrosser has gone to race in Europe while at his peak since Brad Lackey. The Europeans would hate us even more if we sent over our best. How many wars do we have to win for you people before we get some respect

The line starts behind us!

Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

angry dont bring the wars into this we will be here all night

i guess you are the world champs at that as well.Its just frustrating how people in the US never look out of there own front window.The world series maybe lesser-hell i stopped watching since it went to one moto but you arnt a world champ if you only race in one country, make sence?name me one good reason for Rc not to ride a world series-money isnt a problem-he isnt poor and he would get a ride for honda im sure-he would see the world ride different tracks see new sights, and have a different title-5 ,6,7 national titles -once you have the most, may as well do something different.Dont you ever wonder whats out there????

You have the fastest riders for sure at present but it will change-all things do, on respect -how much did bayle get from the US?no one said he was a slow world champion.

Posted by: angry jim---------------------

To be honest, I don't know exactly why our top riders don't go overseas. If I was as good as RC, I'd be tired of smoking the same guys every week. I think he wants to break some records over here first.

As for the war stuff. Take it with a grain of salt Marcus. I've given the UK credit for being our only ally to step up after 9/11. It's those French I'm worried about

Posted by: bclapham---------------------

Quote:

If the so called world championship is the top series how come the there champs come over here after they win a title?

for the same reason as me, (bclapham) i am working in the USA. USA pays people from the rest of the world big bucks to to the jobs that they cannot fill with the 'talent' from within their own country!

Posted by: bclapham---------------------

Quote:

Since it appears the track is very sandy, my picks would be: RC (of course), Ferry and perhaps LaRocco. All of these are good sand riders and the big bores of Ferry and LaRocco should do well in the sand. Although Bubba hauls, I'm not sure how he'd do against the big bores in the sand.

MXdude, it was very sandy the first week but they brought in loads of clay and it has really firmed up good. it is in a flat area, but i believe FIM wanted it this way so that viewing the event would be more exciting and easier to watch......how bout next saturday, from LA 10 east, 215 south, east on ramona express then left on lake park followed by right at the bottom. i am gonna keep nagging you dude!

Posted by: MX Mac---------------------

Depends on the outdoor set-up, I would think RC and Bubba are shoe ins like everyone else, the 3rd could be kyle lewis, he went crazy last week. He's a maniac, who cawn throw it around and stay up.

Posted by: kiwi_925---------------------

as for no doubles what about austria, and no whoops, again in austria they had some, not saying anyhting like the USA, but some and Semts sucked in them, they arent a natural part of terrian so shouldnt be in a track unless its supercross. And in the German GP they did take out some of the technical parts. Dobb Vs RC Vs Bubba, that would be good, Dobb is a better 125 rider than a 250 rider. And why didnt USA go to the des nations last year?? say up yours osama, if they are the 'best' country at mx in the world. would have loved to see RC try to race at Numar, but they needed to have the track in its old glory not this present crap. Also the track that the GP's go arent all that great, Dorna are after the moeny and the places come a distance second, they arent after the good of the sport otherwise there would still be a Aussie GP, and maybe a NZ GP this or next year but cost too much....

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