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About that Oklahoma Red Dirt
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Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Just cleaned-up after the weekend mud ride at Cooperland (1 day was muddy, the next perfect).

I hear horror stories about clean-up. Simple Green and a power washer is all it takes... cleaned-up well. In fact the red dirt clumps came off easier than the stuff we have up here. It's really no big deal.

You bring your SimpleGreen... we'll have a couple of power washers there.

Posted by: MrLuckey---------------------

Good thing you didn't go down to Draper and sample that red mud/dirt. It varies widely in relatively short distances. I haven't been to Cooperland but from the pics - thats not the red dirt you hear people talking about. I tried SG and power washing with the Draper stuff, no good

FYI I quit using Simple Green about a year ago when i discovered ZEP industrial orange cleaner. You can get in gallon jugs from Home Depot etc. IMHO in works way better than SG and I was once a SG disciple. Just spray the bike down to get the big stuff off, spray the orange on and let it sit about 10 minutes, hose it off.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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Just spray the bike down to get the big stuff off, spray the orange on and let it sit about 10 minutes, hose it off.

Sounds like SG to me? Same routine. Is the stuff cheaper?

And SHHHHHH!! I'm trying to get Simple Green to sponsor DW. :D

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

And isn't Draper woods and trails and stuff?
No chance I'll be getting that mud on my bike.

Posted by: MrLuckey---------------------

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Originally posted by Okiewan
And isn't Draper woods and trails and stuff?
No chance I'll be getting that mud on my bike.

Ooops forgot you're one of THEM!

The stuff is very similar to simple green only its orange and I think it works a ton better. I think the last gallon was $7 from Home Depot. Smells great, enviro-friendly etc. Mind you the only brand I have tried is ZEP. The bottle says something like 'commercial grade' on it. If I remember I can bring it up to Wardy's and you can try it out.

PS I think ST500 is still carrying some of the Draper Red mud around on his gear and bike from almost 2 years ago

Posted by: bscottr---------------------

DW sounds like a good time for a Member Product Review of cleaning products. We need to get the under 20 crowd to do the testing, daily, on nearly 200 bikes. Now that would be a review.

I’m using a product named “Mean Green”; it’s cheap and works better than the other green. Do not use SG on a Honda frame, unless of course you want some cool vertical streaking (if you let it sit at all). I learned the hard way. It does the same to some rims.

I will give the Zep a try.

Come on Okie, put on some bark busters. Man, you sound like Gomer.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

"on nearly 200 bikes"
I guessing more like 300 bikes.

I try to sound like Gomer. He is my hero.

Posted by: bscottr---------------------

Posted by: mx547---------------------

the dirt in oklahoma is divided by the arkansas river. west of the river is the red dirt, east of the river is the brown/black dirt. i live east of the river. everyone can always tell when i have been riding at stillwater because of the red dirt on my bike.

do not wear white gear to dirtweek.

Posted by: roosteater---------------------

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Originally posted by TTRGuy
.....i discovered ZEP industrial orange cleaner. You can get in gallon jugs from Home Depot etc........Just spray the bike down to get the big stuff off, spray the orange on and let it sit about 10 minutes, hose it off.

I'll vouch for this stuff. I picked up a jug of the ZEP brand cleaner at Home Depot. Great stuff. I've used it on my bike as well. Another tip...I've used it for cleaning my air filters. I just spray it on superthick and work it in and around the dirty filter. It gets rid of all the old filter oil and dirt. Rinse it off and let it dry. It's worked better than anything else I've tried for conventional type cleaners (never tried NoToil).

However...let's not discount Simple Green either. I still use that stuff quite liberally for all purposes. Also great stuff.

Posted by: oldguy---------------------

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Originally posted by TTRGuy

Ooops forgot you're one of THEM!

The stuff is very similar to simple green only its orange and I think it works a ton better. I think the last gallon was $7 from Home Depot. Smells great, enviro-friendly etc. Mind you the only brand I have tried is ZEP. The bottle says something like 'commercial grade' on it. If I remember I can bring it up to Wardy's and you can try it out.

You do that and we might let you try out your new power washer- if you remember to change the oil first

Posted by: MrLuckey---------------------

Posted by: Lorin---------------------

The red dirt is the part of Oklahoma that you get to take back home with you. We are more than just good, friendly people - we have nice, red dirt. The amount of scrubbing you have to do after the ride is a solid indicator of how much riding you have done, and how good it was\wasn't. The fact that Ed actually knows about cleaning is a clear indication that he is a graduate of the Draper school of riding.

Posted by: Jaybird---------------------

I'm gonna buy some of that cheap Zuki Yellow gear. Then maybe when DirtWeek's over, it will be manly orange! :D

( I'm wiff bscottr, hard to beat MeanGreen at $5 a gallon from the Dollar Store

)

Posted by: MrLuckey---------------------

Fellas, give the ZEP orange stuff a try, I only use about half as much of it as I was using SG and its only about $7/gal.

On another note, I was wondering if there was any way to pre-treat riding gear to keep the red mud from 'setting' into the fabric?

I am also planning on stripping the bikes down fairly well and spraying silicone all over them to make it mucho easier to wash off later. I'll probably use a whole can on each bike, every nook and cranny. I have found that it works much better than WD-40 etc.

Posted by: Jaybird---------------------

Scotch has different grades of silicone spray to waterproof clothing and shoes, it works well but won't last much past the washing machine.
(high dollar product)

WD-40 is silicone.

Posted by: gospeedracer---------------------

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Originally posted by Jaybird
WD-40 is silicone.

Ummm, really??

"What does WD-40 contain?
While the ingredients in WD-40 are secret, we can tell you what WD-40 does NOT contain. WD-40 does not contain silicone, kerosene, water, wax, graphite, chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), or any known cancer-causing agents."

http://www.wd40.com/Brands/wd40_faqs.html

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

That's gonna leave a mark

Posted by: Jeff Gilbert---------------------

Quote:

Originally posted by TTRGuy
I am also planning on stripping the bikes down fairly well and spraying silicone all over them to make it mucho easier to wash off later. I'll probably use a whole can on each bike, every nook and cranny.

Be sure to spray your seat. :scream:

Posted by: biglou---------------------

Now that's just mean!

Posted by: BSWIFT---------------------

Quote:

Originally posted by Okiewan
That's gonna leave a mark

LOL Tommy Boy!

Quote:

TTR-guy asked,
On another note, I was wondering if there was any way to pre-treat riding gear to keep the red mud from 'setting' into the fabric?

Ride naked and your clothes won't get stained. However, if anyone chooses to take this advice, please, PLEASE remind me to bring my darkest sunglasses.

Posted by: Brownie---------------------

I live at Cooperland (I am the owner) and the dirt is no big deal. The dirt at the Sillwater 500 is red clay that stains but the dirt here is not nearly as bad, it is more sandy here. I have all white gear and boots (and I ride here more than anyone) and it does not stain unless you plan on rolling around on the ground (which some of you will probually end up doing, especially Thump). So don't worry about ruining your gear.

Posted by: TwinSpar---------------------

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Originally posted by Brownie
and it does not stain unless you plan on rolling around on the ground (which some of you will probually end up doing, especially Thump).

I've only seen that when he's been riding an underpowered Zuki that couldn't make it up the jump face. He kinda rolled up the face, power fell off, bike fell over, and he rolled down the jump face.

Posted by: MrLuckey---------------------

Thanks for the "Dirt Update" Brownie

Jeff, some people stand up when they ride

Ok, well, not me but some people do

Posted by: Jaybird---------------------

Speedy,
I know that WD-40 claims no silicone, but I have been priviy to some discussion between some auto mfg's that tested WD-40 in their painting operations and found that the formula craters both solvent and water based paints in a manner that is unlike any other component save for silicone or aluminum chlorhydrate. (meaning that the cratering can occur just by being in the vicinity of the product rather than it being actually applied) WD-40 claimed it had neither. One particular auto mfg. was going to allow WD-40 on their vendors list for use in other than paint areas, but WD-40 refused to give a full disclosure MSDS as to the actual ingredients of the solution. They choose to lose a very large account rather than let the facts be known.
Many still contend that WD-40 does in fact contain silicone. And unless one would spend the dinero to reverse engineer the product to confirm, they say what they want.
One fact I do know...if it doesn't conatain silicone it most definately mimics it's effects.

Posted by: biglou---------------------

I thought that MSDS's were regulated federally. Can you legally not have full disclosure on an MSDS? Kinda like, "Oh yeah, we forgot to mention that it causes terminal illness. Oops! Our mistake." :scream:

Posted by: MrLuckey---------------------

Even if WD-40 did contain some small amount of silicone it is worlds apart from pretty much any can of "silicone spray" I have ever seen. Try putting silicone spray on 3-4 different surfaces, then spray WD-40 beside it. They are WAY different.

Similar - well, I sure don't think so but even if thats your judgement, to say that WD-40 IS SILICONE is just incorrect, period.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

I don't care if WD-40 is spit.... this thread isn't about WD-40. It's about red dirt.

Posted by: Jaybird---------------------

OK, TTRGuy, it's incorrect, period.

Lew, MSDS's are for the most part very vague. You can state a range of component and as long as you stay in that range, you are fine. As far as component make-up...only a full disclosure MSDS will state each and every component and it's percentage. If you have ever seen a MSDS, I can almost garantee it is not a full disclosure statement.
If the product is a carcinegen(sp) it will state such, but it (usually) won't state which component does the damage.
The feds are more concerned with safety and health issues and how to properly medicate for, or contain the product, rather than knowing exactly what is in it. An MSDS that you would normally see can state proprietory component and leave it at that. A full disclosure cannot.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Hey Brownie... look what I found

Yup, the dirt is red.

Posted by: Thump---------------------

Quote:

Originally posted by Brownie
....which some of you will probually end up doing, especially Thump

Here we go... Kris, my smack talking abilities are much better online then they are in person, just to warn you.

I was rolling on the ground in laughter after I saw what kind of bike you ride.

BTW I am coming back up soon, gotta get the track wired before DW yanno. (Wanna give some lessons?)

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Hey now... hang on there mister. I'm there. Let's have our PDA's work out a schedule. :silly:

13 hours each way to ride. For those wondering about my sanity, the place really is that good. And after the smack talk, watching Kris put THE SERIOUS HURT on David, I just can't miss it.

Posted by: Thump---------------------

Quote:

Originally posted by Okiewan
Hey now... hang on there mister. I'm there. Let's have our PDA's work out a schedule. :silly:

13 hours each way to ride. For those wondering about my sanity, the place really is that good. And after the smack talk, watching Kris put THE SERIOUS HURT on David, I just can't miss it.

As soon as you can go let me know. I a free for a 3 hr drive any day.

And if watching Kris put the hurt on me out there is your motivation I suggest you stay home cause it won't be a real big show.... he will twist it open and I will wait for the dust to clear... over. Unless we are side by side going up the step-up again.... the Zuki just doesn't hang in an up hill drag race, but that is the mfg's fault, not rider LOL, now once we land it is a different story.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

I hear ya.
I've just got to make the time, there two weeks ago, gone this week end... ugg. July 4th is a long weekend though

Posted by: Jeff Gilbert---------------------

Looks like you need to go ahead with the tie-downs in the corporate jet.

Posted by: Milk---------------------

This is what the Oklahoma Red Dirt can do to your bike if it goes into a pond:

http://moon.ouhsc.edu/dlouderm/adob...ncarbentmud.jpg

Posted by: Milk---------------------

This too:

http://moon.ouhsc.edu/dlouderm/adob...owncrankmud.jpg

Moral: Keep your bikes dry here in good ole OK. :D

Posted by: MrLuckey---------------------

Hey Milk , that your bike or SMITTY's...... Oh wait a minute I think Smitty's pond was down south of the border (in TX).

How long was she in the pond and how long after fishing her out where those pics taken?

Does Reynard still come out to 59th to show off for the locals and stuff them in corners?

Posted by: Milk---------------------

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Originally posted by TTRGuy
Hey Milk , that your bike or SMITTY's......How long was she in the pond and how long after fishing her out where those pics taken?

TTR:

The bike is a friends 2000 YZ 125. It stayed in the water for nearly 10 mins, with the front end down, and about 6 inches of the rear wheel showing. It happened at about 2pm and the tear down began at 5pm. I have some other pics, chronicling the whole tear down, if you would like a link to them. (Bike Tear Down Pics )it got pretty nasty.........

The bike still sits torn down to the frame, but totally cleaned up. Every bearing had to be replaced and Michael is still waiting on parts. I have a nasty pic of the Silencer that i am going to post now too. Its icky poo-poo.

Milk

Posted by: Milk---------------------

Here's the silencer:

http://moon.ouhsc.edu/dlouderm/adob...downpacking.jpg

Posted by: Milk---------------------

Quote:

Originally posted by TTRGuy
Does Reynard still come out to 59th to show off for the locals and stuff them in corners?

He still comes out and was there last saturday flying around. He does very little stuffing in the corners as he has about half a track lead most of the time and lappers let him go by. =] I would too. Well, I wouldnt have to let him. =]

Posted by: gnarlykaw---------------------

i can't figure out how thoses fish got in there...............
wow milk, what a mess!

Posted by: Milk---------------------

Ill ask my friend. He seems to be great at "motorcycle fishing."

Posted by: nascarmac---------------------

I live in southern Oklahoma and the red dirt and clay is fun but dont wear NO WHITE GEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I always wear my blue! We have a few tracks when it rain that are just bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nascarmac PS. Simple Green does clean everything but white boots! A friend told me that!

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