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Posted by: zcookie49---------------------

Allright, I am not looking to get flamed, and I know most will say RC, and that FMX is a joke, BUT...... If there was an award to be given out, (lets say expn's motocrosser of the year, in which Rc just won it over Deegan this past year), what is more impressive, RC's total DOMINATION this year or METZ's 45'baclflip landing into a 80' backflip consecutively in contest.
.... As I said, I am just posting the thought, what do you all think?


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

First of all, RC and Deegan shouldn't be on the same ballot.

It's amazing that these guys are doing flips, but unless your 10 years old, it isn't comparable to RC's Season. Or Bud man's, or Coop's and 10 others I can think of.

What's with all of these FMX posts lately? Here is a better place for that stuff:
http://freestylemx.com


Posted by: Mike198---------------------

RC should win all the way, going a whole season without loosing is great rc is still young and most people cant do that in there whole lifetime of racing. i mean doing a backflip is impressive but look at how many people are doing it, next year youll see it in most of the riders routines. I think that comparing RC to metz is like comparing RC to robbie kneivel. ITS A JOKE.


Posted by: 326mx---------------------

Well let's think about this logically.

FMX - Repetiveness and consistency is what makes it all happen. But every time they go at that ramp its the same. The landing might have changed but not much.

RC & MX - Every lap the track is completely different. New ruts new lips and new landings. Its one of those predict the unpredictable. Rc has to stay on his toes and always be alert.

These things considered I think RC's win streak is far more impressive.


Posted by: bighaus---------------------

what mike198 said. not even close.


Posted by: BunduBasher---------------------

It's just the newness of it all, I watched Metzgers flip and was in awe, a great trick by a talented rider. RC's wins/season et al, is so outstanding, it is predictably boring. Sad that something so impressive fails to awe us


Posted by: Senior KX Rider---------------------

Comparing RCs achievements to Metzger is laughable. :confused:


Posted by: MX-727---------------------

It's a timing thing. For the moment, the flips are very impressive. With RC though, you are talking about an entire season. Week-in and week-out. That consistency is much more impressive. No one else will do that this year. Other riders have flipped and Travis most likely would've done the back to back flip if he was healthy.


Posted by: mx547---------------------

by this time next year, a dozen guys will be doing multiple backflips. rc's winning streak, even if it ends today, will likely never be duplicated.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Have you seen Pastrana's no-footed backflip? How about the one handed? Soon enough, the flip will be just another trick.


Posted by: jake949---------------------

I was going through the box of old mags in my closet the other day. and on the cover it had Deegan and Metzger doing there big tricks, they had there hands behind their backs hands on the helmets, kinda made me laugh when i saw it. compared to what they are doing now the tricks of 5 years ago are very mild.
But a season like RC's is locked in to the record book for all time. freestyle is still new and expanding, so as you do new things you get lots of hype. RC is doing the same thing as Cooper, Mcgrath, Jeff Ward.

R.C. might not have a new trick but he has a old perfected to likes that we have never seen before.


Posted by: zcookie49---------------------

Hey , I too agree with you guys... What RC is doing is totally insane, and if he finishes the season undefeated, I can't imagine it ever being duplicated, and I think that will the Holy Grail of our sport!!
I only posted this thread to make some conversation and get some views, it really is two different comparisons, apples and oranges that is....My thoughts are that the general public that knows little would underestimate RC's streak when compared to Metzs gold the other day. Seeing the flair in the air and not actually realizing the full capacity of what RC is doing.
I have seen RC race this year, and I was at the x-games friday, so I feel pretty stoked to have seen it both this year.
All I can say is that there will be more attention to "dirtbikes"
this year then there has been in the past!
What RC is doing and has done is a tribute to our sport, dedication, skill, practice, and a little pinch of luck (ie mechanical failures, injs).
I know that the FMX scene is just the jumps, not too many other tangibles to stop you from winning but yourself...
It was pretty insane seeing an 80' jump with the rider upside down, death could be right around the corner


Posted by: LaRider20---------------------

I'm NOT a fan of freestyle, but I was flipping channels tonight and saw the backflips just as I turned to ESPN2. I must say it was very impressive. Especially since one jump was almost twice the distance of the other. That must have taken a lot of practice. He gets two thumbs up!

I'd still pick RC though. :D


Posted by: CR125_Ride---------------------

RC all the way. But freestyle is still very much in it's infancy. They need to follow the skateboard model. Seems like freestyle is always jumps they need to mix it up with flat land tricks to not just aerials. Oh well i'm not a freestyler. I still get freaked out when i do a 50ft tabletop.


Posted by: BunduBasher---------------------

Just watched the X-Games on TV, taped it all, must say, the back-to-back back-flip was pretty awesome, Metzger really kicked ass, best of all, what he had to say afterwards - "This year he has spent a lot of time practicing, probably more so in the past few months or so, than in his entire career" - Maybe we can learn something from these FMX folks after all - was quite a different show, lots of guys with their wives and kids. Maybe the sport is not only growing but evolving and progressing as well. Deegan was not missed at all, felt sorry for Mad Mike Jones though, was not himself, crashed badly, and is hurt - still he pulled off some awesome stunts at the games. Add to that, the track/course itself was in great shape, well designed, a well put together package. Seeing the skateboarders and BMX guys going at it as well, was icing on the cake, the downhill BMX race was 'da bomb', maybe these Denali electric bikes can take to this sport, add a loop back to the start, and go round a few times, now that would be great !


Posted by: TOTALL---------------------

RIGHT-ON MX547


Posted by: JuliusPleaser---------------------

I've always despised Metz, but he seemed to be a different animal this year. He seemed almost mature. :scream:

The double back flip blew me away, but it's not comparable to what RC has accomplished.


Posted by: Coop37---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by mx547
by this time next year, a dozen guys will be doing multiple backflips. rc's winning streak, even if it ends today, will likely never be duplicated.


Thats what they said about MC too and look what happened.
Records are made to be broken. dont you think?


Posted by: Mike198---------------------

Yea but that last person to win that many motos in a row in the motocross season was back in the 1978 done by bob hannah, and that was only 10 moto wins, RC is already at 20 straight moto wins. I really think that this record will not be broken within the next 20 years.


Posted by: Stretch374---------------------

Don't get me wrong a back flip is impressive and you have to respect the commitment it takes to doing one, but I just can't call FMX a sport.

I love to compete and watch others compete, a lot of times it doesn't even matter who wins I just love to see good competition. Any event that has judges in it is just that an event not a sport.

I love motorcycles all types but my favorite competition at the X-games last year and this year was the downhill BMX race. The guy who crashed last year on the second to last jump while in a very close battle for first place, rode so hard this year that he over jumped the finish line jump just to make shore he got the gold this year. To me that was awesome he showed hart, determination, and was a true competitor competeting as hard as he could and that’s what I like to watch.


Posted by: motomike137---------------------

RC by far. Metz is quite a character with guts and talent but what he is doing is like making an eyes closed over the head freethrow in a game of horse compared to winning the NBA title.


Posted by: slo' mo---------------------

when they have the Swedish bikini team doing freestyle mx in the nude - THEN I AM A FAN! Until then RC is the man. Little man, but still the man.


Posted by: zcookie49---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Stretch374
Any event that has judges in it is just that an event not a sport.
.

/
SOOO, I guess the Olympics isnt considered a sport??? I guess boxing isnt a sport???
... just stating that there are alot of sports out there that judging is involved, most of the xgames are that, if it isnt a team sport or a race, there will usually be judges to determine who was the best athlete.
.


Posted by: thermal---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Stretch374
Any event that has judges in it is just that an event not a sport.


Hey....are you trying to say that synchronized swimming is not a sport...it is just an event? Holy cow....how could I be so wrong....I thought they were highly trained...highly skilled....professional athletes. Dam it.....I hate it when I'm wrong!!!!!


Posted by: jpuetz---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Mike198
I really think that this record will not be broken within the next 20 years.


I think Bubba may have a strong argument about that.


Posted by: stormer94---------------------

I'm just happy it wasn't Deegan. At least Metzger has some personality.

Two different things. Metzger did an unbelievable stunt, RC is an unbelievable rider.

There is a pretty good article in this months Racer-X on the bckflip stuff. Metzger gives RC his due. But also gives himself a LOT of shameless credit for being talented. I suppose that's cool too, but he's not as talented as he is just plain crazy.

Heck, I did a backflip on my bike the last time we went riding. Climbing a hill, I fell off the back and stood there while holding the throttle WFO, the bike flipped over and tamped me while I was standing there like a dufus... (where's my Sobe contract???)




Posted by: stormer94---------------------

zcookie49,

I agree with you, but by your own definition, would Mike Tyson be considered a sportsman?


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Two different things. Metzger did an unbelievable stunt? Yup, the first time you see it. This time next year, all the top guys will be doing it. How many will go undefeated next year? That pretty much sums it up for me.


Posted by: zcookie49---------------------

No doubt what RC is doing now is down right awesome, and to me, more impressive , because his issue is on the whole, the season that is. Where as Metz is just doing the trick, and i do agree more will do it in the future.
Maybe a couple of years from now, RC's streak will be beaten, Bubba already tied RC's rookie streak for most wins and has 2 events left, he also beat RC's amaetur record for most wins.. So the same could be said about the streak, just much harder to break then pulling a flip
.
As for tyson, well..... there are judges used on dog shows, so since he is an animal, He needs the judging, I would give him an 9 out of 10 on his ear nibbling abilities, he was the first to do that. I would also have to commend him for his eloquent commentarys....
What a Loser.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

"RC's streak will be beaten" (assuming it continues), can't be beaten unless more races are added. Even then, if it's an unbeaten season, I'd still consider it a tie.


Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

For RC to do as well against such good riders is unreal-if bubba steps it up to the 250s he will have to beat RC every race-i doubt either of them could go 'at it' for a season and not crash their brains out.Rc has raised the level so high it will be almost impossible to go much better.


Posted by: stormer94---------------------

To top it off, A tie wouldn't mean much anyway. In order to be considered a superior rider, wouldn't the next phenom' have to race maybe 2 perfect seasons? AND, to top that off RC hasn't had that chance yet. It'll be fun to watch.


Posted by: TRexRacing---------------------

Not gonna make alot of friends here.......FMX isn't motocross,never was, never will be.The back flips are cool but that's it.If I practice on one corner day in,day out no one will be faster in that corner.Still won't win many motos with that but I'll look good in that corner.
I'm not a Carmichael fan but his season is one for the record books.Saw him at High Point this year and he outclassed the entire field.Apparently he's been doing that all season.And it's doubtful anyone(including Stewart)is going to stop him anytime soon.


Posted by: BEEF706---------------------

I, who call landing on the lander with my bike a good trick, have repect for the nads it takes to just huck your body out there as far and as high as they do. I will watch a FMX meet if it's on, (just like figure skating, if it's judged I have a hard time taking it seriously) and I love anyone who goes out to just have fun on a motorcycle. But there is no way that any freestyle accomplishment can be put up there with RC and the chance of a perfect season. Ask Metz honestly and he'll tell you he would rather have made it as a racer. And if Deegan and his Mullisha posse were capable of honesty they would say his greatest accomplishment was winning a 125 supercross. (and then celebrating stupidly). Not in the same league. FMX is entertaining, but a sideshow. Flame on FMXers. :flame:



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