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03 World/US SX Series...

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Posted by: SirReel---------------------

So if I understand it correctly, the 03 SX will be a combined World/US title. The world title being 17 rounds (the 2 in December in Europe and the US rounds except for Daytona) and the US title being the 16 US rounds. Who came up with this brilliance ?
And there will be 2 champions, 1 world and 1 US. The only cool thing I can see coming out of this is if RC decides not to go to Europe, then MC could have a chance at being the 2003 World SX champ :thumb: Wonder if this is some of the fallout from the AMA/CC almost split from last year...


Posted by: truespode---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by SirReel
Wonder if this is some of the fallout from the AMA/CC almost split from last year...


Ding, ding, ding... we have a winner!

Ivan


Posted by: JPIVEY---------------------

I don't think it was the AMA/CC slap fest, I think FIM/DORNA is try to take it to the next level..............I think


Posted by: SirReel---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by JPIVEY
I don't think it was the AMA/CC slap fest, I think FIM/DORNA is try to take it to the next level..............I think


Might want to add CC to that as the only US round not included in the "World title" is the one that CC is not a part of...


Posted by: truespode---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by SirReel


Might want to add CC to that as the only US round not included in the "World title" is the one that CC is not a part of...



Here is the deal...

AMA threatened to leave Clear Channel and go with JAM Promotions. Clear Channel got upset and said they'd put on their own series. However, AMA was the sanctioning body and CC didn't want to be a sanctioning body too so they contacted FIM/Dorna and FIM/Dorna agreed to sanction the CC series.

There is a deal between AMA and FIM/Dorna about races and whose takes precedent (I don't know all the details) therefore as a result for all the backdoor shenanigans to workout and for the AMA and CC to get back together they came up with this wonderful idea of combining the World SX stuff into the CC stuff.

Therefore, it is all a result of the AMA / CC split. If the split would not have been attempted CC would not have brought FIM/Dorna into the picture.

Ivan


Posted by: SirReel---------------------

But isn't the AMA the FIM representitive for the US already? I thought that was how it worked so that AMA Pro licenses are good at FIM events and vice versa... I am pretty sure I got the skinny. I just think it's crazy to have 1 series that has 2 champions, and really weird rules...The Daytona round not being part of the World SX is what threw me the most...


Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

The FIM sanction all races.


Posted by: kiwi_925---------------------

This crazy idea of a world supercross champion, need more 'world' rounds for it to become a world champion. Anyone see that there might be a 15-17 round world motocross championship next year??


Posted by: JPIVEY---------------------

Yeah, the season starts 12/7/02 in Switzerland, then to Holland on the 14th, then all the rest are here in the USA


Posted by: Combat767---------------------

Things should be good for our entertainment though. If all but two of the World Supercross series races are here in the states, then we should have the European riders here in the states competing. It should be the best of the best every Saturday night. I'm really looking forward to 2003!


Posted by: kiwi_925---------------------

in my eyes the winner of the 'world' supercross championship will never be the true champion unless they drop more US rounds and visit other countries, then there will be a true world champion but until that happens you'll still have the american champ.


Posted by: kiwi_925---------------------

What if the 'world' champ didnt go to the first 2 rounds and still won it?? a true world champion?? could happen if the big 4 dont want to go all that way for only 2 meets.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Do you really think the top US riders will even bother with the first two rounds? How are all the satelite/smaller teams supposed to afford going to Europe and the Europeans coming here?

Pretty silly idea IMHO.

There is NO world champion until the rounds are balanced between Europe and the USA.


Posted by: kiwi_925---------------------

but having said what ive said i think the best SX riders are in america, and whats up with 3 rounds at Anihiam(sp)?? CC seems to be a bit like Dorna, go and stay(keep going back more than once a year) events where the $$ are sure to come in for them.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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CC seems to be a bit like Dorna, go and stay(keep going back more than once a year) events where the $$ are sure to come in for them.
I tend to believe all promoters are in it for the money! It's a crime I tell ya. :silly:


Posted by: ochster---------------------

Damm right, thier in it for the money... who say's the elimination of the sattelite/private teams is not part of the plan? This does suck, bit also should be no surprise. This is, and has been, what supercross is all about.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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who say's the elimination of the sattelite/private teams is not part of the plan?
I'm not sure I follow? What would we end-up with, 10 guys total on the line each week?

It's about money for the factories, the sponsors the riders and the promoters. Not to mention the dealers, the magazines, stadiums, concessions, hotels, restaurants, you name it, it's ALL about the money. Take the money away and you have no sport. That goes for all the local tracks as well, there isn't a track owner out there that isn't trying to make $.


Posted by: padrutt199---------------------

whats gonna happen to all the privateers if all the top european riders come over here.the top ten is all pretty much factory guys isnt it . i dont like the idea


Posted by: truespode---------------------

Let's not forget the World SX has been around for awhile. However, it just wasn't part of the bigger series until now. Last year I believe Vuillemen won the World SX title. MC won it a few times too.

It isn't a big deal. It isn't much of a change. The packaging is just a little different.

Ivan


Posted by: ochster---------------------

I should have elaborated... First let me say, "I'm all for profit". I just believe that inorder for the promoters/factories to attract "big name" sponsors ($$$), you have to be able to provide them with what they wan't. Most would wan't that $$$ to provide coverage. With the increase of satelite/private teams, many of wich have very capable riders, and even ex-champions, you increase the odds of a "spoiler". In Nascar, this is not a problem, as most everyone gets coverage, mostly because of the track/camera layout. In supercross, it is very common for the camera to literally fallow the leader around for the entire race, not to mention other logistics problems. Great if that is your guy, but if it is not. Looking at some of the rules that have been instututed in the last few years (by promoters and sanctioning bodies), they have only made it more difficult for the privateer, or smaller teams. I just see this as more of the same, unless of course the promoters are going to pick up the tab for the series competitiors that could use it (fat chance). While I'm all for a "world" match, I would rather see it a show off or mini sereies, between the seperate series riders. And as far the AMA, what about increasing and helping stabilize the venues we have or wan't right here at home?


Posted by: SirReel---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by kiwi_925
What if the 'world' champ didnt go to the first 2 rounds and still won it?? a true world champion?? could happen if the big 4 dont want to go all that way for only 2 meets.


That won't happen. The way I understand it, there will be 2 titles. One for whoever DOES go to the first 2 rounds and has the highest points (minus Daytona as it doesn't count for the World title). The other is the US title which goes to the winner of the 16 US based rounds...



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