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Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/09/0...t.ap/index.html

:silly:

Posted by: IrishEKU---------------------

Good thing I donate to the John Wayne Foundation! I've been a heavy disel wrench for 11 years

Posted by: WoodsRider---------------------

*cough* Looks like all those years I spent testing stationary power-gen sets will eventually due me in! *cough*

Posted by: Patman---------------------

I'll take my chances. The latest low content diesel came out after that report was well underway and most new diesels have much lower emissions anyway.

Besides I'm not behind my tailpipe

Posted by: Highbeam---------------------

I pity the poor lab rat or monkey that was subjected to sucking on a diesel exhaust pipe bellowing soot until he developed health problems.... go figure. I doubt the exhaust pipe led to an engine in good health too. I wonder what would happen if another monkey sucked on a gas engine exhaust pipe, would it take longer to develop health problems? I bet the monkey would eventually.

I bet it's poor science. Perhaps the only conclusion is that you shouldn't suck on exhaust or you may die.

Posted by: bsmith---------------------

What about boats/ships, trains and Deisel generators

You would think they would spend more time on things like Tobacco products and X-ray machines.
I know it allready cost to much to Farm, hence the second job, I can't wait until they start raising the cost of deisel

to pay for more research and increased refining costs.

Just wait until some sick sue happy sees that article and the light clicks on(cha-ching), geez I drove a dozer for years and spilled Deisel all over my self everymorning, sucked the exhuast all day, smoked 3 packs, and soaked up the sun

and now have Cancer, I knew it wasn't my fault! here Texaco

Posted by: *william*---------------------

Good thing I got a gasser F-250, eh?

Seriously though, is the EPA forgetting that deisel engine are more fuel effiecent? Duh. :silly:

Posted by: WoodsRider---------------------

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Originally posted by bsmith
What about boats/ships, trains and Deisel generators

This is the industry I work in. We supply parts and engines for locomotive, marine propulsion and power generation applications.

I've spent time bathed in lube oil and doused with fuel oil, both of which are known to cause skin cancer. Now I've got to worry about all those exhaust fumes I've had to breathe. Maybe I need to live in a bubble.

I do wonder if sniffing bio-diesel (recycled oil from deep-fat fryers) exhaust will cause your arteries to harden? :scream:

Posted by: IrishEKU---------------------

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Originally posted by WoodsRider

I do wonder if sniffing bio-diesel (recycled oil from deep-fat fryers) exhaust will cause your arteries to harden? :scream:

No thanks my cholesterol is high enough!

Posted by: dell30rb---------------------

Bio desiel... have you ever smelled the stuff? It smells like french fries.

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Cripes, it doesn't take a mental giant to figure out that maybe exhaust is bad for you! Gee whiz, ya think? If it smells bad, then it probably ain't good.

Why didn't they just give me the gajillion dollars so I could tell them that?

Posted by: Lemming---------------------

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I bet it's poor science

Before making blanket statements, read the document, do some research so that you know the subject (start with a refresher course in toxicology and pathology), then state your case with supportive evidence.

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You would think they would spend more time on things like Tobacco products and X-ray machines

So is your worry that you'll be standing on the street and some mad radiologist will come by and zap you with his X-ray gun? You get an X-ray because you typically have a medical problem that is potentially a greater health hazard than the radiation exposure from the X-ray (that is, the benefits outweigh the risk). As for tobacco, that's easy, we know it causes cancer, and that's why you can't smoke in most public places.

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Cripes, it doesn't take a mental giant to figure out that maybe exhaust is bad for you! Gee whiz, ya think? If it smells bad, then it probably ain't good.

You don't know until you test it. Afterall, it was only a few hundred years ago that the dogma was that the Earth was flat.

If I worked in the industry (like Woodsy) that exposed me to diesel fumes all day long I would certainly want to know that the fumes may cause harm. Then if the company doesn't provide adequate ventilation, I could make an informed decision as to whether or not the job was worth my health.

Signed - a defensive biomedical scientist who recently purchased a diesel F250

Posted by: Patman---------------------

Maybe the people that did the study should talk to the poeple that did the study that determined that diesel emissions are less toxic than gas powered vehicle emissions and we could have saved a bunch of paper and they could have issues a single page document on something the size of a fortune cookie slip.

Confucius say: "Man who suck on tail pipe end up dead".

It's pretty well known what toxins are emitted from internal combustion engines burning various forms of organic fuel, pick your poison.

Somebody please pay me a Gabazillion dollars now please.

Posted by: Milquetoast---------------------

Nice post Lemming :thumb:

Posted by: IrishEKU---------------------

Ditto!

Posted by: WoodsRider---------------------

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Originally posted by Lemming
If I worked in the industry (like Woodsy) that exposed me to diesel fumes all day long I would certainly want to know that the fumes may cause harm. Then if the company doesn't provide adequate ventilation, I could make an informed decision as to whether or not the job was worth my health.

Well I'm certainly not exposed to fumes all day long anymore... unless you count flatulation.

Seriously though, when I worked at an engine remanufacturing and testing facility, the company next door filed a lawsuit claiming we made their workers sick from the exhaust fumes emitted when we would start up an engine. They also complained about the noise level even though the silencers pointed away from their facility and were well under the industry standard for decibel emission in an industrial area.

The main carcinogen the article points to is sulfur. For the past 20 years or so all diesel fuel oil sold in the U.S. has been of low sulfur content. In fact only in third world countries do you still find high sulfur content in the fuel oil.

I also wouldn't worry if I owned a new diesel vehicle. The modern CPU controlled EFI systems are extremely clean burning leaving almost zero opacity (visible exhaust emissions). They also produce less unburned hydrocarbons (HC), carbon monoxide CO and oxides of nitrogen (NOx) than gasoline engines of equal size. I'd be more concerned about that 30 year-old dump truck puking out so much opacity from it's tailpipe that it leaves a black cloud. You know you'll get stuck behind that sucker while driving through a 20-mile no-passing construction zone on the interstate.

Posted by: 70 marlin---------------------

Can't live forever, I guess old wrech'es will just have to live with it.

Posted by: Zoomer---------------------

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and other sources over time can cause cancer in humans, an Environmental Protection Agency report concludes after a decade of study.

Environmental Impact Studies, along with all the other studies, I think will pretty soon cause cancer in humans. I think I heard riding SUZUKI'S can cause cancer! :silly:

Posted by: Tony Eeds---------------------

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Inhaling diesel exhausts from large trucks and other sources over time can cause cancer in humans, an Environmental Protection Agency report concludes after a decade of study.

Your tax dollars at work. Only one decade .... hate to be sarcastic, but how many trees were eaten up by the reports and requests for funding that came to this conclusion? Although knowledge is good, the basis must be well founded. Remember phosphates - they were not bad for the environment, the environment loved them. How many people (scientists) understand the potential effects of biodegradable products. Isn't nuclear waste biodegradable eventually?

Lemming, I understand your drift, but I wade daily through the quagmire of VOCs rules and regulations etc. There is little overriding objectivity to the majority of the info I have to deal with.

What is the toxicity of government studies?

Has anyone told you that oxygen will kill you .... but you can't live without it.

Moderation is the answer.

The lead plaintiff attorney in the TX tobacco lawsuits has been seen with cigarette in had since the settlement. Go figure ....

Zoomer - regarding Zukis - we'll have to check Elk :scream:

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