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Posted by: JAFChE---------------------

While at the local Yamaha shop last week, looking for some information on the new TTR lineup for my son's new bike, I noticed that they had a freshly un-crated and assembled 03' YZF250 AND 03' YZF450 setting on the showroom floor. I asked the salesman to show me how easy these new models were supposed to start with the new auto-decompression system.

He proceeded to show me how easy they start, and I wouldn't have believed it, but I saw it with my own eyes...the sales guy started the YZF250 by cranking over the kick-starter using his hand! :thumb: (first try) the bike wasn't warmed up either.

Then...he proceeded to do the same with the 450!!! (3 tries)

Now I can do the same with my 400EXC using the kick-start, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that NOBODY would have even attempted this feat with their 02' YZF426!

I just can't figure out why Yamaha was so "stubborn" as to wait for so long to incorporate the auto-decompressor system into the YZF/WR lineup. IMHO they would have got a lot more sales (read kept more, or increased, their marketshare) if the stories of how hard it was to start these machines weren't so prevalent. I know that I'd probably be riding a blue bike if I hadn't discovered the beauty of having a "Button". :thumb:

Now if they'd just lose those cheapa$$ stock handlebars and put on a quiet exhaust! I could probably live without the hydraulic clutch...well, maybe not! :flame:


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Once the engines are broken in and the rings seal properly you won't be starting them with your hand.


Posted by: JAFChE---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Rich Rohrich
Once the engines are broken in and the rings seal properly you won't be starting them with your hand.


It was pretty impressive though! :thumb:

And no, I don't think you'll see Tim Ferry cranking over a YZF450 or WRF450 (the button) with his hand either. :confused: LOL!!!


Posted by: dave186---------------------

what dealer was it? Snake River?


Posted by: JAFChE---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by dave186
what dealer was it? Snake River?


Yes Dave, it was the Superstore in Meridian.

Didn't ask if they were spoken for, didn't want one, so I didn't ask. I'd bet they were picked up for the weekend races at OMC and probably have all the knobs worn off the tires and some paint missing from the side cases by now! Might even have a bent or broken lever or two, knowing those motocrossers! :confused:


Posted by: motohead00---------------------

I can still start my KTM 250RFS with my hand. WITh the kickstarter and NOT the button.


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by motohead00
I can still start my KTM 250RFS with my hand. WITh the kickstarter and NOT the button.


Maybe that explains why they are so slow :confused:


Posted by: motohead00---------------------

Maybe so Rich, but your quick quips aren't

The bike may be slow compare to others, but it's fast enough for me!


Posted by: SFO---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by JAFChE


I just can't figure out why Yamaha was so "stubborn" as to wait for so long to incorporate the auto-decompressor system into the YZF/WR lineup


After the carnage of multiple decompressor failures on the rfs I for one am not too crazy about putting more contraptions on my camshaft.
There is also a history of auto decompression failures with other models that create more trouble than they are worth, reliability wise.
Finding tdc is pretty easy, I think.
It appears the crf is well sorted in this department though.


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by motohead00
Maybe so Rich, but your quick quips aren't


Sorry, I couldn't resist


Truth to tell, I'm really disappointed in KTM for not doing a purpose built 250. It's clear they could do a great one.
I guess KTM can be forgiven in light of how long it's taking Honda to do a 250 with far greater resources than a smaller company like KTM.


Posted by: motohead00---------------------

I don't take any of those type comments seriously, I have heard them all.

It is slower than the YZ 250F that I had previously and I know this, but I honestly can ride this bike faster in roots, rocks and trails. For some reason it just really suits me. I have missed YZ on the MX track though! If at the time I could have afforded to buy the KTM without selling the Yamaha I would have done it. But I just hate going the financing route. I picked up a '99 CR 125 the other day cheap that is now my track bike. Plan is to keep them 1-2 years and see what's available then.


Posted by: WoWman---------------------

OH yeah?! I can start my bike with one FINGER (and have been able to since day 1)


Posted by: fatty_k---------------------

At the Yamaha shop I work at, the mechanic uncrated a 450F and started it first kick straight outta the crate. Just added gas. The bike didnt even have the handle bars mounted yet! Too bad I didnt hear about this earlier, I would have told him to try it with his hand!


Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

I think KTM were working on a proper 250 but the design engineer was killed in a car crash.The sleeved down 250 was just a stop gap and for most its a nice trail/playbike.


Posted by: weimedog---------------------

Actually that using your hand to kick start a bike has been a VOR thing ever since they used a auto-decompression device. I can still do that on a 2001 503...and it has some serious compression! Conversely when the auto decompression is out of adjustment you will bend the damn kick start lever if you hit the wrong stroke! (I've done that too)...so I'd belive the Yamaha guys...but how come it didn't make an impact 3 years ago?

( Now I just use the button on my 2002..so much easier! and I'm getting older)


Posted by: WoodsRider---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by motohead00
Maybe so Rich, but your quick quips aren't

The bike may be slow compare to others, but it's fast enough for me!

If you really want to see slow, invite Rich to come riding in the woods!


Posted by: motohead00---------------------

I thought about that, but I was going to stay out of the smack talking. I am not the fastest, but certainly not the slowest spode in the woods either

Besides, then he might invite me to get on of the 'Motards and then I would be embarassed.


Posted by: WoodsRider---------------------

I hope Rich realizes I'm just joking as he could probably wipe my butt on the asphalt too.

All kidding aside, my buddy had a '94 Husky WXE350 that was raced at the '94 Tulsa ISDE and he could start the thing by hand.


Posted by: Rodzilla---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by motohead00
I am not the fastest, but certainly not the slowest spode in the woods either



No, that would be me...


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by WoodsRider

If you really want to see slow, invite Rich to come riding in the woods!


As long as I ride my IBIS I'm up for single track all day long. :confused:

Only crazy people and Canadians willingly venture into the woods on a motorcycle.


Posted by: OldassKDX---------------------

I'll check into the ward stat.


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by OldassKDX
I'll check into the ward stat.


Just follow Fredette


Posted by: techman---------------------

A good Canadian ride consists of multiple flavours of tree bark juice on the ends of your bars and shoulders, sandy whoops sometimes underneath overhanging branches, tight loamy twisties and perhaps a dose of rocky trail (the whole trail is a rock at times 20 yards long) with hidden bottom water holes that might be 6" deep or 3 feet deep. If you get all that in one day you've done very well. Oh yeah, the raging creek crossing - with ice cold water - in the spring. Or still with ice!!

If there's any zip left in you then try to find an mx track to beat it back out of you. In the old days a good ride was based on quality airtime on jumps with non-slamming landings. The body can't handle it now.


Posted by: WoodsRider---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Rich Rohrich
Only crazy people and Canadians willingly venture into the woods on a motorcycle.

Well I don't say eh but I do have Strange Brew on video. :confused:


Posted by: JAFChE---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Rich Rohrich

Only crazy people and Canadians willingly venture into the woods on a motorcycle.


Count me crazy then! :thumb:

I've only been on an MX track once in my life, never again! Too many lunatics on over-powered loud motorcycles out there.

Man, talk about getting a thread to veer "Off Topic". :confused:


Posted by: fatty_k---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Rich Rohrich
Only crazy people and Canadians


That would be me; not to crazy, but non the less Canadian.


Posted by: Chili---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Rich Rohrich

Only crazy people and Canadians willingly venture into the woods on a motorcycle.


I meet the second criteria (possibly the 1st also if the wife's opinion counts :scream: ) and I don't want any tree's anywhere near me when I'm anywhere past idle on a bike.


Posted by: Rich Rohrich---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by WoodsRider

Well I don't say eh but I do have Strange Brew on video. :confused:



Your strange tree bark fetish is finally starting to make sense.


Posted by: JohnnyBlitz---------------------

Going way back into the topic... I've personally seen Yamaha 4-stroke riders stall their bikes during supermotard and mx races and then frantically kick their brains out while everyone else passes them by. While I understand the requirements for weight savings for racing bikes, I don't understand why a racer would risk a lengthy restart when $$$ or points are on the line. Seeing this happen more than once has convinced me that my first dirt bike will have an electric start for those times I know I'll be stalling it in awkward places.
John B.


Posted by: Ickabod---------------------

My old XR 350 would ocasionally kick back when the auto decompress hit wrong. Hurt like hell! That thing was alot easier to turn over by hand than my 426 but I don't think I could start either without kicking them. It took me about 5 starts to get the "drill" down and I really don't see what everyone is complaining about. I'm the only one in our group that rides a 4-stroke and I seem to have the least trouble starting. Even after I crash or stall, 3 or 4 kicks and away I go. If I go through the trouble of using the hot start button usually 1 or 2 kicks. The auto decompression system is only suposed to relieve cylinder pressure till the piston passes T.D.C. so as long as the motor stopped around there everything should be fine.If for somereason it stops somewhere else it might kick back. The thought of my 426 kicking back doesn't make me happy.


Posted by: techman---------------------

One 426 kick-back in the foot is a vivid reminder to kick it all the way through like you mean it. It can be enough to tweak your ankle. If you do the drill they start excellently. The time required for the drill is not good for racing, but fine for trail riding.

I'll bet the guys kicking their brains out diddled their jets wrong.



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