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That Cooperland Step-Up?

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Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

http://dirtrider.net/bstep-up2.wmv


Posted by: OKKX'er---------------------

It sure looked scarier in person. I was impressed with the number of DRN'ers that jumped (or attempted ) to jump that thing. Jaybird (on a 125)comes to mind . HLG did it 5 or more times in a row. He said it was the bike, but we all know that
going for it the first time feeling.


Posted by: BEEF706---------------------

It looks pretty big from here too. BillyWho looked soo smooth and fast over that thing!


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

The first time I saw it... "no frickin' way" was all I could think. It's MUCH bigger in person.


Posted by: bscottr---------------------

Sure makes it look easy. Did you notice how he seems to let off well prior to the face? Need more of these clips. :thumb:


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

The face of that thing is super steep (you can't walk up it, you have to crawl, lol), seems letting-off keeps the nose down. Dubach hit it the same way.


Posted by: bscottr---------------------

I remember the other angle from Thump's still shot....like you said, steep. How bad was coming up short? Gotta put some fertilizer on the dodads prior to October. :confused:


Posted by: Senior KX Rider---------------------

He makes it look sooooo easy.


Posted by: Thump---------------------

Coming up short sux, trust me. I promise you I don't look that smooth going over it... but not quite as roug as Jaybird does. LOL


Posted by: CAL---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Okiewan
It's MUCH bigger in person.


[size=3]MUCH Bigger![/size]

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Posted by: High Lord Gomer---------------------

Jaybird was bragging about doing a backflip on it...pffft!

It was a *front* flip! When he realized that he wasn't going to clear it, he decided that at least the bike should have the pleasure of making it, so he set it free! He then landed on his feet right before the top. The only problem was that the rest of his body wanted to continue the 30 mph forward thang it was doing when the feet decided to stop. Well...the feet and the rest of the body kinda got into a tussle about it and cut a mean forward flip while they were fighting about it.

When we got to the top of the hill I really expected to find him in several pieces.  Miraculously, he was only missing a few feathers!


Posted by: _SOLO_---------------------

To me it looked like he held the superman too long and when he realized he couldn't land like that he attempted the front flip.


Posted by: bscottr---------------------

Bet I could make Jaybird look like RC.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

A different approach to the same jump: :confused:
http://dirtrider.net/lpstep-up.wmv

You can almost tell how big it is.


Posted by: biglou---------------------

Billy-You go boy! Go on, git it! Git it! Git it boy!

Yeah, that thing is a mountain. The step up part is about 10 ft. tall and near vertical. And remember, evrything looks bigger from the rider's perspective. And, video does no justice to altitude changes in the terrain. You see Billy launch off that downhill and then wheelie down it? Hell yeah!:thumb:

I had some more video of this linked here somewhere.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Funny you would post after my last one


Posted by: biglou---------------------

Hey! that last one was me! OH MY GOD~! We were freaking racing, too! For real! I think I',m gonna go cut my achiles tendons now...

BTW-Didja see the nice brake-check on PK? Buwahaha!


Posted by: Papakeith---------------------

Bastages!
You shoulda stayed on me. I was much more entertaining relighting the 500 for the 3rd time in two laps!
Sheesh!! :silly:


Posted by: High Lord Gomer---------------------

For the record...I did NOT kill your motor!


Posted by: JuliusPleaser---------------------

It was tough to even ROLL the jump. The face was really loose. . .and deep, too.

I even got see a DRN hero fall on it once.


Posted by: _SOLO_---------------------

Yes, but he was able to make it look just as graceful as when he was jumping it.


Posted by: Treejumper---------------------

I had to laugh when i was showing some of my footage to my freinds and family. There's a section that has the cowboy doing a superman over that stepup. As he started to leave the bike we hear a faint scream coming from my mom as she thought he was falling off. She's never seen the freestyle guys.


Posted by: bscottr---------------------

Seeing the Lou/PK video gives you a good idea how hard Billy is accelerating up that hill prior to the step-up. :scream: PK did ya chase Lou down for that brake check?


Posted by: GETMETOCA---------------------

On Race Day, I took Sara (Hotpants) around the track for a practice lap and I didn't even think twice about her  following me up the stepup because I'd seen her on the track with Thump earlier in the week and thought she'd already tried it!

Turns out she'd never taken on the step up til this point so she was pretty freaked and happy about it at the same time!  I got a mild scolding from Thump later on ("you trying to kill my girlfriend?"   )

In the end Hotpants overtakes me in the third lap of the race, so I guess "that which does not kill us makes us stronger after all!!"

I can't wait to get back to Cooperland.  This thread is making me all melancholy...


Posted by: slo' mo---------------------

I think HLG's phot captured it best, but nothing like being there!

(photo courtesy of HLG)


Posted by: IrishEKU---------------------

That picture does it for me, ther is no rolling that one! I'll chop the throttle about half way up and get on it once over for the hump.lol.


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

I'm not waiting for DW 03 I'm going to try to get together with some DRN'ers a couple times before. Hopefully, by Spring I will have misplaced about 30lbs :silly:


Posted by: IrishEKU---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Okiewan
Hopefully, by Spring I will have misplaced about 30lbs :silly:
With Christmas coming? I'll be lucky if I don't gain that much!

Good Luck Boss :thumb:


Posted by: Jaybird---------------------

LOL...Gomer, my backflip claim was for our pal G Cooper's benefit. You pretty much have it pegged as to what happened.
Thing about comming up short or "spoding" that jump is, you are more than likely in 4th gear on the approach, and if you let off and case, you have to scramble to find the low gear just to make the rest of the way up. Wrastlin' a stalled bike up the top face is NOT fun.

I want another shot at that jump BAD! It's all a mind thing ya know, it's really not that bad the way it is laid out. Pinned in 4th and approaching a wall is quite un-nerving to say the least though.
Heck I saw motometal overjump the thing.


Posted by: Jeff Gilbert---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Okiewan
I'm not waiting for DW 03 I'm going to try to get together with some DRN'ers a couple times before. Hopefully, by Spring I will have misplaced about 30lbs :silly:

Let me know when you're ready, I can be there in 7 or so hours, well worth the trip up. I'm gonna try that step-up next time, on my 125 ...I think.
As it was, I hit the face of the thing in 4th and coasting, downshifted to 2nd in the air and fishtailed the rest of the way up. Hell, I was hitting the little step-up after the down hill part in that section in the top of 3rd during the B moto and getting about enough air & distance needed to make the big step-up but I just couldn't bring myself to do the big one. Man what memories!


Posted by: IrishEKU---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by Jaybird
LOL...Gomer, my backflip claim was for our pal G Cooper's benefit. You pretty much have it pegged as to what happened.
Thing about comming up short or "spoding" that jump is, you are more than likely in 4th gear on the approach, and if you let off and case, you have to scramble to find the low gear just to make the rest of the way up. Wrastlin' a stalled bike up the top face is NOT fun.

I want another shot at that jump BAD! It's all a mind thing ya know, it's really not that bad the way it is laid out. Pinned in 4th and approaching a wall is quite un-nerving to say the least though.
Heck I saw motometal overjump the thing.
Jay,
After hearing about your "get off" ,I can't belive you are talking up my riding ability at LBL when you hit that monster! :thumb:


Posted by: Jeff Gilbert---------------------

You snuck your post in before me Jaybird while I was typing. I think you summed it up the best when you said "Pinned in 4th and approaching a wall is quite un-nerving to say the least though."


Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

'bird hit the "problem".... there is something JUST WRONG with clicking gears and pinning it into what looks like a 12' wall. On the approach, it looks perfectly vert. The mind and body must be disconnected at that point or you will let-off


Posted by: IrishEKU---------------------

So what is needed is a good walk through? Boss, I have never ridden a track before, what Sarge labels "A European GP Track" is all I have done. Not to mention some Knarly woods riding, I think JayBird can attest to that.


Posted by: Jeff Gilbert---------------------

We got there Monday but didn't look at the track until Tuesday morning. I remember as Tigger & I walked the track from start to finish, rounded the corner to see the "BIG STEP-UP" for the 1st time and thinking HOLY SH*T. Like Okie said, you can't even walk up it. I tried and got about half way or so before I slid back down. Didn't give up there, I tried walking up it sideways and still no luck.


Posted by: IrishEKU---------------------

Jeff,
That "Euro GP Track" that Sarge talks about has two really big hills on it that are not as steep considering grade but have about between 2-4 kickers on them that if you arn't ready for them will ruin your day. I am not taking away from the one at CL, what I am saying is that thing is intimidating and I will need to take a close look at it before I even think about hitting it.


Posted by: MrLuckey---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by IrishEKU
what Sarge labels "A European GP Track" is all I have done.


Where did you and Sarge ride that? I wanna go ride a GP track!


Posted by: IrishEKU---------------------

Eddie,
Since you where with CAL and Lonnie most of the time you never really did get to hit the "Loop". LOL That is a 7.5 mile run around TB. Sarge and Lee rocked on that section like a couple of pros! The funny thing is we never really hit traffic like what I was used to and we had som blistering times through there! Sarge and I battled it out on this one hill where we hit the kicker at the same time and the first thing that ran through my mind was, "He's going to show me his A$$", he did, LOL! Sarge and Lee rule on that outer loop, but I'll tell you what, that JayBird guy is one hell of a rider too. I have never had the ammount of success in the tight stuff that he does on a 125. Sarge needs a little polish on the hill stuff, Lee and MotorMichael rock on anything they ride. About all I can say is that I was holding all of them up just showing the way.


Posted by: MrLuckey---------------------

Ahhhh, I've been round that outer loop many a time. Thought you guys had gotten together somewhere else. Trust me when I say that there isn't anything at TB that is even remotely like the Big StepUp at Cooperland. And I do mean not even on a remotely similar scale.


Posted by: IrishEKU---------------------

Understood!


Posted by: Jeff Gilbert---------------------

Irish, the thing about CL is the entire track is very well thought out and very forgiving in every aspect until you look at the big one. As much of a spode as I am I still believe the big step up isn't as bad if you can manage to do as Okie said and disengauge you body from your brain as you commit to doing it. As it was, I landed about 3/4 of the way up the jump by coasting up the face of the jump. The bad part was the verticle descent from the sky as you dropped on to the face. My fear was not knowing what the launch would do hitting it under power, the fear of over jumping played as much a roll in it for me.
A couple of weeks ago I practiced on a track that has about a 110 - 120 ft table-top. It had a long, perfect run up to it and a perfect landing if you came up short or over jumped it. It's the farthest I've ever tried to jump. I'm ure I could have cleared it but just keeping the throttle twisted that long as you build the needed speed to do it is intimidating to say the least. Coming up 10 ft short and bouncing off the landing ramp isn't the smoothest way to do it but it's all my brain would allow. The same was true for CL but I'm working on it in my head as I type.


Posted by: IrishEKU---------------------

Thanks Jeff!

Hearing other acconts of it is inspiring. Eddie made the point clear that nothing I have rode even comes close to this thing. I will give it a go and try to make it out in one piece. Unfortunatly It will be later than sooner considering the bikes condition(Meaning a track). I did get an invite from Gomer for Spring Break that is irrisistable so I am sure he can give me some help.

Thanks,


Posted by: biglou---------------------

Here's some footage. Starts off with the A/Pro moto2 start and then some footage of just Billy practicing. Notice on the uphill double before the roller section, when both Billy and Duback hit it, the power is on the instant the wheels hit the ground. Roost flying immediately! Video doesn't do justice to the elevation changes on the climbs, either. Also, after the stepup, Billy does slack off a bit in the corner at the top as there is a rider in front of him. Check it out: DW02 Video


Posted by: IrishEKU---------------------

Thanks Big Guy!

Where have you been? I can understand a little under the weather but you have been like a ghost! I hope everything is O-K, if you have the "bug" that TTR Guy was talking about, I'm sorry and it sounds like a dosey!


Posted by: CAL---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by TTRGuy
Ahhhh, I've been round that outer loop many a time. Thought you guys had gotten together somewhere else. Trust me when I say that there isn't anything at TB that is even remotely like the Big StepUp at Cooperland. And I do mean not even on a remotely similar scale.


Eddie, that is an understatement!

Irish...I'm no pro., but there's not a hill at Turkey Bay that I won't at least attempt to climb, if not climb, successfully.  Quote me on this..."I will never, ever attempt the big step-up at C.L."  I don't care if my balls swell bigger than volleyballs, and my brain shrinks to the size of a pea...I ain't touchin' it!

Irish, you're going to have to hit Turkey Bay with me and Eddie and the local crew sometime.  We'll show you some "gnarly trails".


Posted by: IrishEKU---------------------

Corey as long as your Dad comes along for the "learning sessions!"....You are the final word Big Guy, and that's my story. (You all know the rest) I will take your account as gospel.

Someday my bike will be running and we will ride, I promise!


Posted by: CAL---------------------

Quote:
Originally posted by BigLou
Notice on the uphill double before the roller section


That uphill double is why my front wheel points to the left, now.   That was painful!

 


Posted by: WaltCMoto---------------------

I thought I was riding well before DW. HA. As we pulled in and I saw the track, I thought to myself, self, I probley can kick butt on that track. Then I find out that the track I saw is the Kiddie track! :o
The BIG track humbled me big time. Although I progresively got more confident as the days went on, I never came close to the top of that HUGE step up. Probely landed 1/2 to 3/4 of the way up on the face of the hill. Not having anything even remotely close to practice on, I dought that next year will be any different. There are 4 or 5 tables and a few small doubles in the rythem section that I finally did by weeks end. Ill be happy if I can get 2 or 3 more cleared next year. Although testosterone (stupid in this case) does kick in on occation, Im trying to get home in one piece. Im just to dang old to "Just do it". I save most of my crashes for the woods where I try to knock over trees and move knee high boulders :confused:
To those who clear the Big one


Posted by: holeshot---------------------

Yeah, I can see how that jump could be intimidating, but all ya have to do is TWIST THE DANG THROTTLE FER GAWD SAKES. Point your toes outward, stick your eyeballs over the front fender, freeze the throttle hand, force your front wheel into the face and hold on.

Dang, it really makes me want to go the next Dirtweek to show you a thing or two. If I could just think of what to do with my 11 year old.......


Posted by: holeshot---------------------

Wait a minute...I just saw that other pic that shows how vertical the face is. *GULP* I wonder if it's all right to back pedal now....


Posted by: Wraith---------------------

It's nice to see some footage of  CL :thumb:  I got there on Thursday, and did't even attempt to jump the step-up until Saturday. Either because
  1. I've only been riding for 2 years. 
  2. Because I didn't want to watch everyone ride while I was busted up on the side of the track.

That thing was crazy. A great feeling when you did it. But crazy. I can still remember what my guts felt like when I was coming up the the face of the jump.

That was by far, the best track and the best time, I've ever had. On and off the track. I can't wait to go back. The only bad part,  the tracks here just don't cut it anymore. I'd gladly meet Okie for a pre ride before DW3.


Posted by: MrLuckey---------------------

Now that I have a more capable bike I am 'hoping" to clear the big step up next year. Of course thats pretty easy to say sitting here in the relative safety of my office chair. I'm sure by the time next year rolls around and I see it again I'll be thinking damn, I don't remember it being THAT big. The thought of trying it on a 300 lb TTR never even crossed my mind


Posted by: biglou---------------------

LOL, the thought of trying to clear it on my 250 lb, Well-suspended, made for stuff like that YZ426 never crossed my mind! It wasn't even at the edge of my mind. I never, not once, thought to myself, "Hey, I wonder if..." It was always a matter of me just staying to the right to keep from getting landed on.


Posted by: High Lord Gomer---------------------

I had only ridden my CRF once before hitting Cooperland, so I wasn't too familiar with it. One time as I was coming up to it, I had the thought, "On no, did I shift to 4th?!? Am I still in 3rd?!? 3rd? 4th? 3rd? 4th?!!!! Ahhhh....."

I left it in what I thought was 3rd and pinned it. It was 4th. I landed all the way out into the turn, but it still wasn't that bad of a landing.

I still don't understand how he could basically coast over that thing! I was about 3/4 of the way through 4th gear and hard on the gas. You had plenty of run (with a 450) so i would get it about halfway through 4th and maintain that speed until just before the base, where I would pin it.

(Of course, my version of pinning it might not be very accurate. I'd probably be embarrased if I ever found out that my slide had never been halfway up the carb!)


Posted by: Old CR goat---------------------

I figure I'll just wait til Lou clears it, then I'll consider trying to climb it!


Posted by: Reesknight---------------------

I think I could do it.............um, BigLou style! :confused:


Posted by: Fred T---------------------

I got pretty used to DOWNSHIFTING in the air after hitting the face and landing about half way up. NFW I'm going to do it next year either.


Posted by: XR3J---------------------

I'm with Big Lou on this one. I sure had fun fishtailing up the rest of the jump from about 3/4 of the way down it. I was also hugging the right side so I wouldn't get dive bombed!



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