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Ryan Hughes.. Suspended???
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Posted by: PT564---------------------

So, cyclenews reported Hughes is on a suspension fro AMA racing do to the Mike Brown on track scuffle....... Is this still true?

Posted by: Senior KX Rider---------------------

First I have heard of it. I always wondered why Ernesto Fonseca didn't kick Browns a$$ for all the moves he used on him

Posted by: steve125---------------------

No suspension just a probation. Ryno's on a leash and Brown can now go back to what he does best. They have gone from hugs at Highpoint to blows at Budds. An MX soap in the making for sure :silly:

Posted by: karterron---------------------

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Originally posted by Senior KX Rider
why Ernesto Fonseca didn't kick Browns a$$ for all the moves he used on him

 

Maybe the fear of getting his butt kicked has something to do with it.  Ernie doesn't exactly strike me as being capable of taking Brownie in a fight.  My money would be on Brownie in that one.

Now Hughes is another story, that would probably be a good fight.

 

 

Posted by: Nevada Sixx---------------------

do you guys think brown is a dirty rider?

Posted by: PT564---------------------

If Hughes didn't get suspended why didn't he race? Seems he was well enough to practice...

Posted by: mxneagle---------------------

He twisted it again in practice and believe it or not couldn't handle the pain riding.

Posted by: mx547---------------------

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Originally posted by steve125
No suspension just a probation.

double secret probation?

Posted by: Roostmaker---------------------

http://a1016.g.akamai.net/f/1016/60...3ryno_brown.jpg
Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: whitesands26---------------------

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Originally posted by Nevada Sixx
do you guys think brown is a dirty rider?

I knew it would only be a matter of time before the topic of Mike Brown being a dirty rider came up...

Yup.....He's taken Ernie out in the 125 nationals and it looked like he did it on purpose...He took guys out in the Supercross, outdoors it doesn't matter...

Aggressive passing is one thing...You know, go in for the block pass and take away the guys line....But Mike Brown goes in, hits the guy, and takes out the front wheel with alarming regularity...I'm surprised that Brown hasn't been fined several times by the AMA.....Ricky Carmicheal is an aggressive passer and he won't leave the guy much room, which is o.k as long as you don't hit the person or endanger them some way.......But Brown just takes guys out...

I get ticked off every time I see Brown get close to anyone....That guy should not be allowed to race until he cleans up his act...

Mike Brown is perhaps the dirtiest rider I've ever seen...

Posted by: jboomer---------------------

I think he and Hughes are both "hotheads." It's so irritating to watch them race. I know "rubbings racing", but like you said, it's intentional way too often. And another thing, why is retaliation so important? The last couple of races you've got Brown running into Hughes (intentional or not) and David Bailey saying "Uh oh, watch Hughes! He doesn't just let that sort of thing happen to him!" Then a couple turns later, he'll INTENTIONALLY nail Brown. It's a wonder the riders don't fight on the track more often. I would ghost ride my bike into someone if they did that to me! WOT, point, shoot, and bail off the back of the bike. Look at what happened to Preston 3 or 4 times during the SX season. I think he practiced amazing restraint. Yeah, I think both Hughes and Brown are overly aggressive riders. Does that make them dirty riders, well, yeah, I think so. If you aren't fast/strong enough to take the lead without trying to INTENTIONALLY take someone out (I'm not talking about block passing -- I mean t-boning someone in order to knock them down) then you don't deserve to be in the lead.
But, can you imagine how difficult it would be to regulate that type of riding? Where would you draw the line? Would we need referee's on all of the corners to officiate, or better yet, have them chase the riders around on their own bikes or 4 wheelers (similar to football) and throw a penalty flag? Instant replays to determine if someone should be black flagged? Doesn't quite sound like American MX, does it?

Posted by: Chili---------------------

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Originally posted by jboomer
And another thing, why is retaliation so important? The last couple of races you've got Brown running into Hughes (intentional or not) and David Bailey saying "Uh oh, watch Hughes! He doesn't just let that sort of thing happen to him!"

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Originally posted by jboomer
Then a couple turns later, he'll INTENTIONALLY nail Brown. It's a wonder the riders don't fight on the track more often. I would ghost ride my bike into someone if they did that to me!

Care to answer your own question since your first thought after someone rammed you was to retaliate?

Posted by: jboomer---------------------

I'm not a professional though! I don't have fans, no one inspires to be like me, and when I ride people only watch because they know they'll be treated to flying W's and a potential ghost ride! :thumb:

Posted by: AngryCandy---------------------

There has to be a great deal of frustration on Ryno & Brown's part right now, which is probably the fuel behind the fire. Bubba is back, and he ain't foolin' around. He spanked Brown by over a minute in his first moto back from a serious injury. These two "tried and true veterans" figured they'd cherry pick a title in the 125s with the hot-shot down and out. Now the whole MX world realizes how ugly and clumsy violence can be when set next to grace.

Posted by: jboomer---------------------

Well put!

Posted by: karterron---------------------

I wouldn't exactly call Ryno and Hughes cherry pickers. They were set for the 125 nationals long before Bubba's injuries. The record books will list the champion at the end, there will not be an asterik next to the champion even if Bubba wins out. The knock on Bubba has never been about speed, it is whether he knows when to settle down and collect points when he is having an off day. Bubba has now cost himself two titles (last year supercross and this year outdoors) because he does not know when to settle down. His collarbone injury was due to his not settling down after going off the track. He had plenty of speed to catch back up and still win but would not settle for that.

That being said, that grit and determination is why I love to watch the guy. However, that unwillingness to calm down is going to cost him titles and wins. Ricky went through the same thing, it is just part of the learning process. Don't knock Brown and Ryno if they win the title, there are alot of championships in different sports and not always by the fastest or the best. Consistency is part of any championship also and probably the most important ingredient.

Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

well said

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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Ricky went through the same thing, it is just part of the learning process

And RC has 90 wins. 1 bad National and 1 bad SX series... he's still on the edge.

Folks just have to find a chink in the 17 year old don't they? You are witnessing the new age of MX in that young man. Get used to seeing him on the podium boys. He's possibly the most talented ever... at 17.

Settle down? That's how you DON'T go from 37th to win in one moto, making the cherry picker in the class look slow. Everyone talked about RC being out of control... 18 overall's in a row and 90+ wins later, the focus has shifted to bagging on Stewart. :silly:

What's really gonna be tough? Reed proves he can beat RC on a regular basis in SX, just in time for Stewart to show-up on a 250 next season. Bad timing for Reed and RC may be moved back to the shortest step on the podium

Posted by: mx547---------------------

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Originally posted by karterron
I wouldn't exactly call Ryno and Hughes cherry pickers.

aren't they one in the same?

i'm not so sure they are cherry picking either. brown has one national championship, hughes has zero.

stewart has one championship also. maybe he's cherry picking?

Posted by: zcookie49---------------------

yeah, but the word is that Villopoto, Allessi, and Milsaps have the same speed possibly as Bubba. I do agree that this fast style is the generation of MX. I just wonder why it took so long for the bar to be raised? is it the training regimine or what?

Posted by: nephron---------------------

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Villopoto, Allessi, and Milsaps have the same speed possibly as Bubba

No way. Millsaps is the closest of styles to JBS, but has been beaten intermittently by less-talented foes. Allessi is super fast, but has more of a blazing style like RC, and IMO no one has got James' style and speed. Scary thing is, we'll see him get better for the next several years.

...Oh, and I don't have data for those observations--it's only what a guy can tell from a camera/mpeg or the sidelines. Impossible to know for sure, but even Bailey said the up and comers, although promising, are not at the same level.

Posted by: 490Dave---------------------

IMO, theres only one thing that can be said about #259 and thats WOW!

Back to Ryno and Brown, i believe Ryno is totally a self motivated individual that has the heart and soul of a true racer, the same could be said for Brown except that he has Mitch Payton lending plenty of his own kind of motivation on him as well.
This is truly been a great season for the sport so,
sit back relax and enjoy!

Dave...

Posted by: mxneagle---------------------

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Originally posted by karterron
Bubba has now cost himself two titles (last year supercross and this year outdoors) because he does not know when to settle down.

The season ain't over yet, who says Bubba has already lost the title. Don't you remember a few years back when virtually all the top contenders did their best to throw the title away (Brown eventually got the nod of the lucky lady). There's still a chance for JBS, now wouldn't that be a story!

Posted by: whitesands26---------------------

I saw alessi and milsaps race and I was not that impressed...milsaps looked good but not half as good as some of the champs of the 90's looked as amatures....
The talent pool isn't as deep as it used to be...Yeah, I know Bubba is Super fast but who in the 125 class right now was a superstar amatuer like Bubba ? Travis Preston ? He's never really struck me as championship material.

There used to be several superstar amatures in the 125 class....The competition these days is horrible...I'n not saying these guys are slow...It's just that Ricky shouldn't be dominating like he is...I mean Kevin Windham and Ricky Carmicheal are the only two superstars in the 250 class

Posted by: whitesands26---------------------

Remember the days when you had Ward, Lechien, Hannah, Omara, Glover, Bailey, and Rick Johnson ?

Every week any of those guys had legitimate chances to win Races...Either Ricky Carmichael is superfast or the competiton is horrible...

Ricky is extremely fast but you should have someone that could at least challenge him....I mean this guy is winning nationals by over 30 seconds in highest level of pro racing!

Timmy Ferry ? He's never struck me as someone that can win anytime he wanted to...

Posted by: nephron---------------------

I think RC will go down as the best outdoor rider of all time. He has the perfect style for the outdoors. He takes the absolute fastest line, rides low, rides hard, rides long (endurance), keeps it pinned, and stays way low off jumps, and I think is unbeatable in the longrun (over a season).

All I can say, is it's gonna be one hell of a show when JBS is out there battling him in a couple years.

Posted by: truespode---------------------

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Originally posted by whitesands26
Remember the days when you had Ward, Lechien, Hannah, Omara, Glover, Bailey, and Rick Johnson ?

IMO, the biggest difference between them and our current crop of riders is that each of them had the will to win that is as big (if not bigger) than RC's will to win.

Right now only RC has the deep fire in the belly to win. Look at BC last week with Ferry... he got upset about something (according to some of the reports I read from the pits prior to the race) and went out and won a moto. He has the speed, but the fire does not seem to be there day in and day like it is with RC and used to be with our past champions of the 80's.

Just my .02

Ivan

Posted by: flynbryan---------------------

Well said Ivan. As everyone knows its definately much easier to sit on this side of the fence and be a critic, but I have to say that there was no reason why Carmicheal won EVERY single race last yr. And I don't think it all has to do with a lack of trying, its head games mixed with a high rate of injuries by those that try to run that pace and wad it up. I have to disagree about WhiteSands comment on Ferry. I think Ferry's got what it takes, but lets seriously think about that statement. Who out there can "win whenever they want"? If I could click my heels, I'D be out there winning 250 nationals. Of course this is nothing more than bench racing, but isn't that what this forum is for.

I realistically only see a few guys able to win on the right day. I already stated my opinion of Ferry, but Windham seems to be the best bet right now. He's always been real fast, but it seems the head games seem to beat him. Put him in the hole shot with about a good 5 sec. lead and he's GONE. Put him in the drivers seat w/Carmicheal breathing down his neck and its .....questionable. I put Ezra in the same head game boat as Kevin, but I just don't see the same fire from him that was there in 98-99'. Reed has alot of potential, but as with most rookies its gonna take a season or two for him to be at the level of Carmicheal. Seriously lets think about it. He more than surpassed everyones expectations of him in SX, and now hes just expected to do the same outdoors. Sorry guys two different ball games. I'll say it again, 3rd. overall in his first 250 national season is nothing to scoff at. And for the likes of Tortelli, Vullemin, LaRacco I think all those guys have the "fire" needed to beat Carmicheal, but injuries have them holding back right now. If no one ever got hurt it'd be a much different ball game out there for sure. Just my .02.

Posted by: zcookie49---------------------

IF Bubba stays in the 125 class outdoors next year, which I doubt, They will have to let 39 riders start at the gate, and then have Bubba start 30-40 seconds later, just to make it fair for the rest of the 125 class....
It's almost absurd how head and shoulders he is to everyone else out there, and there are some good riders in the class, Brown, Langston,Hughes,etc. IMO, he belongs in the 250 class next year, that way at least RC will be a challenge for him...

Posted by: whitesands26---------------------

Maybe those other guys don't have the strong desire such as Ricky... I mean, Ricky's desire shows. I do think Ricky is Superfast....He's won everything since he was an amature so he definately does have the skill and desire...But other than KW the talent just doesn't seem to be there...Except for Reed....However, I think Bubba and RC are going to be the two determining factors on Reed ever becoming a motocross Superstar...

Kind of like how if it wasn't for McGrath then KW, Villimen, and Ezra Lusk would probably have several championships...MC spoiled superstardom for those guys and I think Chad will suffer the same fate of coming real close but never winning a Championship.

Posted by: truespode---------------------

The talent is there. Each of the top 5 factory riders have the speed and the ability. Something happens to them on the line that doesn't happen to RC... they give up. I'm not trying to be mean and actually I'm giving the riders their props b/c I think they do have what it takes to beat RC.

I am not dissappointed in their performance and I don't call them bad or anything. I just believe they can ride with RC if they had the fire and hate to lose attitude that he has.

For me I like the mid-pack battles as much as I do anything else and I really do not care who wins... I just enjoy the racing. However, there is something different when it comes to RC. With Bubba it is different. I think he has talent that is so much better than anyone ever and has the fire in the belly to match RC. Next year will be interesting. I predict Bubba winning the 250 SX and outdoor season. But I don't see it as a run away b/c I see RC banging and running as fast as he can.

Ivan

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

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Originally posted by mx547

aren't they one in the same?

i'm not so sure they are cherry picking either. brown has one national championship, hughes has zero.

stewart has one championship also. maybe he's cherry picking?

When Stewart moves up to the 250's or goes to Europe, has a career, retires, then comes back to the 125's to run with the kids, I'll call him a cherry-picker too.

Posted by: nephron---------------------

lol^^^^^^

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I am not dissappointed in their performance and I don't call them bad or anything. I just believe they can ride with RC if they had the fire and hate to lose attitude that he has.

Winning and desire are one in the same, so what are you saying? You think Montana, Elway or the classic example...Favre won games almost entirely on their own by being just talented? Champions ALWAYS have the most desire. ALWAYS. Name one that didn't. If Lusk, Windham, etc....can't pull up the desire RC or Bubba have, they're just gonna keep getting their asses kicked. Over, and over, and over again.

Reed is getting better. He looked good at Budd's. I think he'll start to fly toward the end of the nationals. RC is has a simple choice come SX: change setup and style, or get his ass whipped by a guy that's come in and proven he's got more desire .

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

The race will be for 2nd between RC and Reed in 04.

Posted by: 121---------------------

Why do oyu say that, is there someone fom Europe coming over, because theres noone in the 125 class to dominate next year?

Posted by: jboomer---------------------

JBS my man! :thumb:

Posted by: super rat---------------------

Guys I can think of off the top of my head who rode the 250 class then moved back to the 125's Dowd, Ward, Lammy,Ryno, Brown, Langston, Barnett, Everts..... RC, Hennry,Hannah all rode 125's for a race. Would you call all of these guys sandbagers? How about a guy with 8 250 titles showing up at a local race and taking home the 30+ pay out?

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