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Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

125's

1 50 25 (1) 25 (1) 259 J. Stewart Haines City, FL Kawasaki KX125
2 40 20 (3) 20 (3) 60 B. Hepler Kittanning, PA Suzuki RM-Z250
3 31 22 (2) 9 (12) 3 M. Brown Johnson City, TN Yamaha YZ250F
4 29 13 (8) 16 (5) 386 J. Grant Yucaipa, CA Honda CRF250R
5 26 18 (4) 8 (13) 35 C. Gosselaar Victorville, CA Honda CRF250R
6 25 10 (11) 15 (6) 18 B. Sellards Sherrodsville, OH Yamaha YZ250F
7 24 11 (10) 13 (8) 33 K. Smith Ludington, MI Yamaha YZ250F
8 22 0 (38) 22 (2) 29 I. Tedesco Murrieta, CA Kawasaki KX250F
9 21 9 (12) 12 (9) 188 D. Millsaps Cairo, GA Suzuki RM-Z250
10 21 15 (6) 6 (15) 21 S. Roncada Lake Elsinore, CA Kawasaki KX250F
11 18 7 (14) 11 (10) 44 R. Mills Clintondale, NY Honda CRF250R
12 18 0 (36) 18 (4) 122 M. Walker Mcdonough, GA Kawasaki KX250F
13 17 14 (7) 3 (18) 83 M. Blose Phoenix, AZ Yamaha YZ250F
14 16 16 (5) 0 (34) 61 T. Adams Brooksville, FL Kawasaki KX250F
15 14 12 (9) 2 (19) 59 D. Smith Middleton, ID Yamaha YZ250F
16 14 0 (34) 14 (7) 52 G. Schnell Rancho Cucamonga, CA Honda CRF250R
17 11 4 (17) 7 (14) 41 B. Gray Camillus, NY Suzuki RM-Z250
18 10 6 (15) 4 (17) 123 B. Metcalfe Murrieta, CA KTM 125SX
19 10 0 (25) 10 (11) 105 R. Hughes Temecula, CA KTM 125SX
20 8 3 (18) 5 (16) 289 M. Goerke Lake Helen, FL Suzuki RM-Z250

Posted by: SpectraSVT---------------------

another snooze fest?

Posted by: Senior KX Rider---------------------

1 50 25 (1) 25 (1) 4 R. Carmichael Havana, FL Honda CRF450R
2 44 22 (2) 22 (2) 22 C. Reed Dade City, FL Yamaha YZ450F
3 40 20 (3) 20 (3) 12 D. Vuillemin Murrieta, CA Yamaha YZ450F
4 34 18 (4) 16 (5) 14 K. Windham Centreville, MS Honda CRF450R
5 29 14 (7) 15 (6) 26 M. Byrne Temecula, CA Kawasaki KX250
6 29 15 (6) 14 (7) 24 E. Fonseca Murrieta, CA Honda CR250R
7 28 16 (5) 12 (9) 28 H. Voss Mico, TX Yamaha YZ450F
8 25 7 (14) 18 (4) 15 T. Ferry Largo, FL Yamaha YZ450F
9 22 12 (9) 10 (11) 64 J. Povolny Mendota Heights, MN Honda CRF450R
10 21 13 (8) 8 (13) 918 J. Aubert Lake Elsinore, CA Suzuki RM250
11 18 5 (16) 13 (8) 30 C. Anderson Riverside, CA Honda CRF450R
12 16 11 (10) 5 (16) 27 N. Wey Dewitt, MI Suzuki RM250
13 15 8 (13) 7 (14) 34 C. Stiles Athens, AL Honda CRF450R
14 11 10 (11) 1 (20) 87 J. Gibson Westerville, OH Yamaha YZ250
15 11 0 (33) 11 (10) 108 J. Rodrigues Murrieta, CA KTM 450SX
16 10 4 (17) 6 (15) 38 J. Thomas Melrose, FL Honda CRF450R
17 10 6 (15) 4 (17) 142 J. Neese Julian, NC Suzuki RM250
18 9 0 (21) 9 (12) 23 K. Lewis Henderson, NV Honda CRF450R
19 9 9 (12) 0 (24) 244 R. Holland Clovis, CA Kawasaki KX250
20 5 3 (18) 2 (19) 969 M. Corder El Cajon, CA Honda CRF450R
21 3 0 (23) 3 (18) 78 K. Johnson Albuquerque, NM Yamaha YZ450F
22 2 2 (19) 0 (21) 940 M. Karlsen Denver, CO Honda CRF450R
23 1 1 (20) 0 (23) 91 B. Modjewski Hatley, WI Suzuki RM250
24 0 0 (24) 0 (27) 225 M. Maximoff Howell, MI Honda CRF450R
25 0 0 (25) 0 (30) 442 J. Mace Hesperia, CA Kawasaki KX250
26 0 0 (28) 0 (28) 524 B. Butler Gainesville, FL Honda CRF450R
27 0 0 (26) 0 (31) 93 T. Hofmaster Pearl City, IL Suzuki RM250
28 0 0 (36) 0 (22) 96 B. Carsten Bayville, NJ Suzuki RM250
29 0 0 (22) 0 (36) 84 T. Hadsell Hudson, FL Yamaha YZ250
30 0 0 (30) 0 (29) 433 B. Miller Silverwood, MI Honda CRF450R
31 0 0 (27) 0 (33) 461 D. Ginolfi Lake Hopatcong, NJ Honda CRF450R
32 0 0 (35) 0 (26) 70 B. Mason Belleville, IL Honda CRF450R
33 0 0 (31) 0 (32) 360 J. Cook Elizabethville, PA Yamaha YZ450F
34 0 0 (29) 0 (34) 483 T. Burton Stewartsville, NJ Yamaha YZ450F
35 0 0 (39) 0 (25) 574 K. Crine Lothian, MD Honda CRF450R
36 0 0 (32) 0 (35) 855 J. Beatty Sherman, CT Honda CRF450R
37 0 0 (34) 0 (37) 890 J. Rhoades Delta, PA Honda CRF450R
38 0 0 (37) 0 (38) 380 C. Ellis Manorville, NY Suzuki RM250
39 0 0 (38) 0 (39) 981 D. Oettel Cadiz, KY KTM 450SX
40 0 0 (40) 0 (40) 36 S. Hamblin Murrieta, CA Suzuki RM250

Posted by: bclapham---------------------

excellent result there for for my fellow REM racer, Josh Grant. someone should put Milsaps back on the RM125!!!!

i watched southwick today. Bubba is not on this planet with them lap times

Posted by: bclapham---------------------

and as for the amazing US talent pool, in the 250 race, 4 riders from the top 6 are not natives!

seems like that if Bubba and Kdub dont want to do the MXDN then the US should not bother, unless they let ricky race 125s and 250s, LOL

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Well let's see, the best GP rider here is Reed, and he's not doing MXdN either. So who is the favorite team at this point?

Posted by: super rat---------------------

Dowdy, Brown, and RC would be unstoppable in the sand.

Bubba is scared to get beat by RC, he better get use to it.

Posted by: zcookie49---------------------

just got back from an absolute beautiful, Blue-skyed race today....I think this is the third year in a row that the Bubba/RC show won overall.At least I know that next year it will be impossible for the same results as the years prior, since Bubba is moving up
Couple of points from today:
Was at the Yamaha pit after 2nd practice, Brock sellards came in, put up his bike on stand, then Matt Walker drove his bike in, and started a fight with sellards, knocking brock to the ground. I got the very end on video tape. The troy team picked up Walkers bike and told him to get out while restraining Brock....it was comical that Matt walker couldnt fire up his kx250f after 10-12 kicks and had to push it out of the Troy tent back to his rig.
Bubba is just plain sick.
RC is still THE MAN.
Reed put on a great show keeping Rc in his sights both motos, while everyone was distant third and beyond. I would definately say that Chad HAS stepped it up this year, but unfortunately for him, RC is still racing at his level which I do not think anyone can match.For the majority of both motos it was RC, then 6 secs back Reed, then 30 secs back DV and the rest....
K-dub looked in another one of his funks, BOTH motos, not to say his isnt a great rider, But I expected more from him today; but then again, they replaced his handlebars and such in the pits before the race, maybe he had a bad wreck in practice.
RC set another record I believe in recording his 100th overall today.
Ryno gets the tough man award. He crashed extremely hard over a rutted out downhill section, appeared that he supermaned the bike with both legs on one side of the bike and had viscious getoff. But got back up and finished the 1st moto and came back and raced the 2nd moto.
Broc Helper rode strong for both motos, 1st one being on Brownies tail the entire moto.
I haven't been able to figure out Millsaps though
Oh yeah, Heath Voss held off K-dub for about 2/3's the 1st moto, strong riding today by #28.
The 125 class IS loud.
I didnt see any punks stealing banners this time, the track personal advised numerous times you would be arrested for it, about time to start enforcing it.

Posted by: MadEarthWorm---------------------

I went to my first National race today at Budds Creeek and it was awesome! I've never seen so many people and so many dirtbikes. The sound of all those thumpers on the line brought a tear to my eye.

Carmichael and Reed battled for about one lap and that was it for that. Stewart had to work his way up in the first moto but it only took a couple laps. All in all the best action was at the back but even then it seemed like guys were just following each other around the track. I wanted to see some "rubbin is racing" type competition but the best I got was somebody trying to take Millsaps out (the guy looked back and waited for Millsaps to come before he pushed him over the berm).

Posted by: MadEarthWorm---------------------

I think we posted at the same time zcookie...What was up with Matt Walker and Sellards? I was at the Pro Circuit pit when he came back (sometime in the morning) and apparently he crashed or something but he was pretty heated (and bloody).

Posted by: TheGrinch---------------------

Thanks for the report guys. Good to see Reed was only 6 -7 seconds behind RC in both moto's. I think that's proof enough that he has stepped it up. If he can keep closing the gap, he might actually win a race. RC is proving once again that he is the best. Twice now he has fallen or stalled and Reed has taken the lead only to have RC take it back again.

DV isn't doing to badly outdoors this season either. What happened to KDub?

Posted by: bclapham---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

Well let's see, the best GP rider here is Reed, and he's not doing MXdN either. So who is the favorite team at this point?

Shame on Reed for not commiting.

i would say the strong teams would be

1. Belgium

2. France

3. New Zealand

imo it would be a sad state of affairs if USA had to send two semi retired [from top level AMA MX] riders.

Posted by: JPIVEY---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by bclapham

imo it would be a sad state of affairs if USA had to send two semi retired [from top level AMA MX] riders.

Why you say that, hell even our retired riders could school the teams you picked

Posted by: super rat---------------------

100 wins!?!!?!! Did you guys hear that? 100 Wins!!!

HAHAHA!!

Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

Thanks for the reports, guys! Good stuff!

I am really, really wishing Bubba had stepped up to the 250 class this year. If he had, he would have had epic battles in SX with Chad, and he would be having epic battles with RC outdoors. Also, the 125 outdoor and 125 SX title chases would have been a hell of a lot more exciting, too.

If Bubba clinches the 125's early, does anyone think he will race a round or two of the 250 series? I don't.

Posted by: va_yzrider---------------------

Great day indeed! Chad was really running out there, but Ricky had his number and was determined to get his 100th win yesterday. Chad actually looked faster on several parts of the track, but Ricky must have had the section that I couldn't see dialed in. I don't think Ricky takes getting passed too kindly as he quickly returned the favor after his little mishap (within a half lap).

As for Bubba, WOW!!! He was soooo flat over the tables that I couldn't believe what I was seeing. You could actually see his foot peg taking out chunks of the lip!

Three cheers for Hughes for picking up his bike and finishing both motos. That was a nasty crash!

Posted by: whyzee---------------------

there is a back stretch two turns after the finish line jump that was rutted and had breaking bumps before it dropped off to a big down hill. Bubba was 4th gear pinned, front wheel in the air and never let off the throttle, NO ONE else not even RC was hitting that section as hard or as smooth. He is unreal.

Here is RC thanking the fans.

And Chad never quit, he maintained around a 10 second gap for most of the race, but could never draw him in for the last moto

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

.. would be pretty cool to be able to actually stand, let alone speak after a moto.

Posted by: KXTodd---------------------

Windham went down hard in practice, a haybale got dragged out into the track right before the off camber by the barn, flagman was barely waving the flag and Windham didn't see it as he came over the rise and plowed it.
I think the Walker incident started from him going down in the first turn at practice, missed the fight after though.
Ryno is a bad a$$ superman , I had the camera on that section and had just turned it off when he went flying.
Brown had a serious wreck too after going over Henry hill on the landing in the second Moto, he was doing good until then.
Besides all the wrecks it was some good racing

I thought DV looked real good, he was taking lines noone else was and was keeping pace just couldn't catch up.
I haven't found out what happened to RC yet that let Reed get by momentarily?

Posted by: whyzee---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by KXTodd

....I haven't found out what happened to RC yet that let Reed get by momentarily?

He stalled in the left hander right after the finish line jump. Took him about 10 kicks to start the bike

Posted by: nikki---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by whyzee

He stalled in the left hander right after the finish line jump. Took him about 10 kicks to start the bike

Darn four-strokes

Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikki

Darn four-strokes

I can't get used to the site of professional racers who can't restart their bikes. At least RC got his relit, and he's got the excuse of being a little guy on a 450.

Matt Walker at Southwick and Josh Grant at Hangtown lost good points becuase they could not start their 250f's after tipping over. Who's next?

Maybe its time to start outfitting the four strokes with electric starters. Effective silencers that comply with the AMA rules would be a nice addition, too.

Posted by: john3_16---------------------

It's amazing that RC was able to get that bike started again...He has every excuse in the world...But man, that guy is tough....I can't imagine doing a moto and having anything left after having to kick it over 10 times...lol

These guys are in incredible shape....RC, Reed, Windham....Going all out for 30 minutes is amazing especially at their pace.

Posted by: Mxracer695---------------------

Those 250fs havent been so great .. A few of those kawasaki riders lost some points due to some blown motors .....

Posted by: 2smoke---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by super rat

100 wins!?!!?!! Did you guys hear that? 100 Wins!!!

HAHAHA!!

Ahhhh Ratboy..... the question is has XRpredator seen it.......100 wins.......who's the man?????

Posted by: XRpredator---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2smoke

Ahhhh Ratboy..... the question is has XRpredator seen it.......100 wins.......who's the man?????

yes I have. Big whoop de doo. Quality of competition is the deal. Not everyone is as motivated as they were "back in the day", or you'd see 100 wins by DeCoster, or Hannah, or Smith, or O'Mara, or Johnson, or Barnett, or Howerton, or Glover, or maybe even Hansen or Bailey. But, they were racing each other, and they had to share 'em with someone cuz week to week they all busted their asses. Everybody now is demoralized to the point where they are racing for second. Hell, there's actually three tiers! RC wins, Reed, Windham, and maybe Villy race for second, then everyone else.

While I don't miss the bikes (except for the exotica of works hardware), I miss the competition.

Posted by: john3_16---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by XRpredator

Good point...I've always wondered if these guys are really that fast (yes they are fast) or has the talent pool lost some of it's depth....

Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

Back in the old days there were fewer races per year, so it would have been a harder to get 100 career wins.

IMO, major CHAMPIONSHIPS should be the real benchmark for measuring the all-time greats. And RC has everyone beat there, as well. He has won every single major championship he has ever contested with one exception - his rookie year in 250SX.

RC has raced against all the other champs of his era (LaRocco, McGrath, Langston, Pastrana, Reed, etc...) and spanked them all. Can't do any better than that.

Posted by: 2smoke---------------------

You guys are tripping. Back in the day there were three outdoor titles 125, 250 and 500 the talent pool was spread accross all three if anything it was more diluted than the two class structure now.....remember great names like Rick Burgett 78 500 champ?????.....no.....neither do most people. Not everyone back then was that brilliant.

Posted by: dirt bike dave---------------------

Don't be dissing The Lumberjack!

Team Yamaha '78 (Glover, Hannah, Burgett) won every AMA title and would put a hurtin' on Team Yamaha '04 (Reed, Cobra, Ferry) if every rider was in his prime.

Posted by: 2smoke---------------------

Yeah Dave...but remember...Glover ran 125's Hannah 250's Burgett 500's. Honda, Suzuki and Kawasaki split their riders the same. The only time they allraced together was Supercross or Trans AMA/USA Series. How can that have more depth ran running nearly all the top guys in one class today. As for the racing being closer who remembers Hannah's 78 season......If I remember right he slayed em RC style.

Posted by: zcookie49---------------------

Agreed, but that being said, I would say Team Yamaha has the best 3man TEAM (not counting one individual) out there currently.
.
Not to break the tradition of having a Natl spoiler turn into a 4s vs 2s debate. I copied this Q&A from RC off of RacerXill.com today!!!! hahahaha (just for kicks)!!!

"You look really smooth on the 450 this year, which really isn't your style. What makes that bike so much better than the 250?"
"[Laughs] The bike has so much power, and it doesn't require you ride it as hard, so it's easy to ride. I don't have run the wheels off of it to do well. That's the difference between the two-stroke and the four-stroke: it's so much easier to ride, and I don't have to kill myself to turn the good laps. "

Posted by: funktree---------------------

the 500 class used to be more boring than the 250's are now, I saw a 500 national at Washougal and Jeff Ward lapped through 5th. 1st through 4th were all at least 20 seconds apart. It was awesome seeing those guys ride those monsters though.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:

"[Laughs] The bike has so much power, and it doesn't require you ride it as hard, so it's easy to ride. I don't have run the wheels off of it to do well. That's the difference between the two-stroke and the four-stroke: it's so much easier to ride, and I don't have to kill myself to turn the good laps. "

He's lying for the factory. It's nothing but lies.

Posted by: super rat---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by XRpredator

The same exact thing could be said about MC and his wins and titles or Bubbas, but it would take a major league jackass to come up with that type of crap. I don't know why but I had more respect for you and your knowledge of Moto, the XR hunter thing should have tipped me off. Ain't one squid on the gate of an National or SX. If it weren't for RC we would all talking about how great Kdub and Reed were. 100 wins and 10 titles, Decoster knows he is the best ever so does Hannah or anyone else who has a clue, too bad you don't.There is obviously nothing the guy could do to prove it to ya so you just must be bitter

Posted by: mx547---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

He's lying for the factory. It's nothing but lies.

rc was recently quoted as saying that he believed he could ride the 450 at 60-70% and still win.

Posted by: Vic---------------------

Four strokes are better. We all know it, some of us are just unwilling to admit it.

Posted by: TwinSpar---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vic

Four strokes are better. We all know it, some of us are just unwilling to admit it.

Yes they are... specially the 125 class thumpers. They are better at blowing up!!!

Posted by: Mxracer695---------------------

Yes good at blowing up! Must agree with you on that.

Posted by: Vic---------------------

Yes, sometimes they blow, but they don't suck.

Posted by: steve125---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by mx547

rc was recently quoted as saying that he believed he could ride the 450 at 60-70% and still win.

His tune will change real quick, when it's time to go indoors!

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

... and indoors is where most of us ride/race every weekend, so 2-strokes still rule

Posted by: whyzee---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by mx547

rc was recently quoted as saying that he believed he could ride the 450 at 60-70% and still win.

He wasn't riding below 100% Sunday. He can talk all the bunk he wants to, but it was not a trail ride for him or his CRF at Budd's. He was hitting the rev limiter so hard I thought the bike was going to spit him off.

Posted by: steve125---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

... and indoors is where most of us ride/race every weekend, so 2-strokes still rule

Well at least they still rule somewhere

I was at Budds and RC looked great on the 450. I always though KW had the style on the 4 bangers until I saw RC. The bike really fits him, he was flawless on it. He still flaps the clutch just like he did on the 250. It's awesome to watch.

Reed also was impressive, much improved over last year. DV looked good, just a bit off the pace of RC and Reed. Second moto dice between Heath Voss and DV was good. Heath is fast and gave DV run, very cool to see Heath up front.

Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

I think i said reed would step it up this year

plenty were saying he couldnt hang with RC-well he hasnt beat him yet but hes the only one on the same track at this time-to stay within 6 seconds is making reed one of the fastest riders in the world outdoors. Time for a few to eat humble pie i think

If i was a betting man i would say reed will win a moto or maybe a overall soon.

Posted by: Okiewan---------------------

Quote:

Time for a few to eat humble pie i think

Little early in the season yet for that Marcus.
That being said, he has REALLY stepped it up so far! Impressive.

Posted by: SpectraSVT---------------------

I am also impressed by Reed, but so far RC has passed him like he's a lapped rider this year. If I see Reed put up a fight then I'll believe he can steal one from RC.

Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

To me it doesnt matter if he bombs out after this week-he has proven he can ride fast outdoors.I think the thing most people understimated with reed is his pure determination, i think hes the only one who wont accept 2nd place-yes he is getting 2nd but its not good enough for him, with KW i heard him on the interview at Southwhick-i wasnt impressed with him at all-he was riding for a 3rd and 2nd at best.He should fly in sand with his smoothness and how stands up on the rough tracks.

Posted by: marcusgunby---------------------

Spectra he passed reed, but if reed stayed within 6 seconds i think we can say he has the potential to race with him-6 seconds isnt a big buffer imo.Imagine if reed wasnt there?? talk about a walk over? i think we need new blood in the outdoors as too many are racing for 2nd imo.

Posted by: steve125---------------------

I was in the pits during morning qualifiers just outside the PC rig. We were chatting with Tallon Voland, a real nice guy and will talk your ear off.

We'll here comes Matt Walker on his bike, rode straight into the PC tent almost hitting eveyone. Boy I was thinkin "what a piss ant" , he stomped inside the big rig and that was that. Well it wasn't until later I found out he and Sellards just had a fight. Too bad I wasn't over at the Yamaha of Troy pits where all the action went down.

Posted by: zcookie49---------------------

yeah, it was quite a sight, I was literally 5-7 ft from the whole thing... when I rewatched my video, you can hear sellards saying "you were on the outside".....after walker couldnt fire up his thumper, and was pushing it through the lines, you can also hear on my tape a fan go, "hey, can I have your autograph" sarcasticly...that was pretty funny...

Posted by: SpectraSVT---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcusgunby

Spectra he passed reed, but if reed stayed within 6 seconds i think we can say he has the potential to race with him-6 seconds isnt a big buffer imo.Imagine if reed wasnt there?? talk about a walk over? i think we need new blood in the outdoors as too many are racing for 2nd imo.

I agree but racing someone and just staying the pace are 2 different things. I have been a Reed fan since the first SX I saw. If Reed can dice with him then I'll believe. So far that hasn't happened. Its only been 1 race that he stayed the pace so if he keeps doing it then its for real. I was hoping for a 3 way battle but so far KW seems to be settling...no fire in him. All it takes is one ride though!

Posted by: Vic---------------------

Walker seems to have some "issues".

Posted by: bclapham---------------------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Okiewan

He's lying for the factory. It's nothing but lies.

so right before it ended his career, MC was saying everywhere that the best bike in class was the KTM250 and he wasnt lying was he, LOL

Posted by: steve125---------------------

For Me the worst part about Budds was the 250F's and the way the Pros have to ride them. Bumping off the rev limiter all the time and the nasty sound that makes.

But on the other hand, the 450's were very cool

so much power and sounded awesome. Once again, everyone needs to see and hear RC up close on that 450. WOW!

Posted by: whyzee---------------------

funny thing about the 125 class. I counted them in the 2nd moto just out of curiosity ... 5. yep, 5.
1 kawi
2 ktm
2 suzi's

I'll be surprised if one makes the field next year.

Posted by: zcookie49---------------------

I would concur, but Yamaha is stating their 2005 af yz125 is 10 lbs lighter than the 2004. That could put a spark back into the 125 class......especially in the SX area....

Posted by: SpectraSVT---------------------

Highly doubt that the weight decrease will help the 125 class. It might help privateers but you know for a fact the factories are as light as the AMA allows. Same goes for the 250F's. With the same weight and power the 125's will probably become extinct.

However, for us normal folks that weight reduction is huge. I don't know anyone in my class that has ever made any kind of effort to reduce the weight of their bike. So with 5-10 lbs might help just enuff to be slightly faster in the corners.

Posted by: 2smoke---------------------

If they could fatten up the torque curve on a 125 to better match a 250F from bottom through mid that would make a big difference. But lets not get delusional here.....that aint going to happen. Game , set and match......to the 250F.......its over. Time to go home.

Posted by: john3_16---------------------

If the 125 is really 10lbs lighter then that will make a big difference....

It's going to be interesting with the new motor design on the Yamaha...Being that light and if it is as strong as a KTM in the motor department, combined with good suspension and handling (hopefully since new frame) there could be some real competition for the 4 strokes.

Posted by: bclapham---------------------

lets not get too carried away....until MXA proclaims it as bike of the year i mean!

Posted by: SpectraSVT---------------------

Regardless of weight the AMA is not going to change the weight limit rule. Current Factory YZ125 are already as light as they can get...this new lighter YZ won't be any lighter than whats already being ridden. The power is the only thing holding the 125's back.

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