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[QUOTE="bbbom, post: 634535, member: 16301"] You need to get more sleep chiquita!!!! :thumb: I have no idea what would/wouldn't be storyworthy but the meetings are informal discussions of what we think are the main issues/problems in the Pend Oreille Valley area of the Colville National Forest. One thing to keep in mind though is that we do NOT want to alienate the greenies. We need to cultivate a friendship with them otherwise, they'll just walk away from the discussion and continue stirring up crap through the courts. We need them to be involved in developing this strategy so they don't come back on it later. We need to be their "friends"! First meeting: The moderators went over the Collaborative Learning Process which is a newly developed way for the agency to gather information from all concerned parties. I think I emailed the write up on the process that Debbie sent out. If not let me know & I will get it to you. They opened the floor up for everyone to bring up issues and how the different issues related to the other issues. Things such as Access, lack of maintenance, user conflicts, habitat, special places, lack of active management, adjacent landowners, economic impacts, camping, lack of trailhead parking.................................then they drew lines to show how it all interacted. The second meeting: They had a cleaned up version of the above and asked for any additional issues. After that, they handed out a questionaire (I can give you a blank copy) that asked you to essentially explain what issues were important to you and why and I think what you thought should be done - can't remember but I have a copy at home. It was funny because of course all of us bikers had essentially the same thing - SOS (Save our singletrack!!!) Then they had us pair up to discuss what you had written - Lisa & I hooked up which we should have chased down one of the greenies but they smell funny. :p Next we got into groups of 6 or so to discuss the same thing. Then they went around to each group & had one person explain what the main issue was to them. After each group presented an issue they went around again for more issues. This is where the greenie got pissy. One of his fellow greenies made the issue of "solitude" and the snickering & "Then don't hike in an ORV Park" comments came out. I mean my gawd since when is their pursuit of "solitude" more important than our pursuit of an "adrenaline rush"? I mean I have solitude all over, I stay in my office on the internet most all day, mountain bike for lunch alone, and go home where I see no-one but the kids, Karl, dogs, cats & occaisional bear or coug! Maybe that's the ticket. I'm so bored with solitude I need an adrenaline rush so could it be that the greenies are so bored with adrenaline rushes they need solitude? :think: I doubt it, it's hard to get much adrenaline rush from a beat up old VW bus! :) So, as posted above, my blonde sleepy friend ;) the next meeting will be August 13, 2003 same bat time, same bat channel! I will email Deb & see if I can get an Agenda or some more info on what is to happen next. My understanding is that we will further discuss each issue and relationship. I am going to sit at the green table this time though. I want to understand what the REAL issue is for these guys. Maybe we can offer them a nice beginner Karl ride? You know maybe you can get an interview with the greenies to see why they can't accept that their opinion is NOT the opinion of most all of us that have lived out in these areas forever! I have a theory that all of these guys are born & raised in some big city and they really have no understanding of nature and the forest except for what they learned in books & school. Can we do some type of background investigation? I'd wager a good amount that I'm right. You just can't grow up in these areas and not learn that man & nature can live & play together! [/QUOTE]
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