Racing the AMA HS at Milliken,CO this weekend?
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DKT735
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- Mar 16, 2000
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Darn, sorry about that.
The Leahy's did a great job. The course was a comination of tight loose turns (lots of 4 to 6 in rocks) and high speed. Some parts were more high speed than Berthoud and others were pretty tight.
I had a great time. 2nd in 40+ B on Saturday. I was pretty tired for the Sunday race and finished 11th in the 30+ Bs. Reynome had a great race and finiished 3rd in the 30+Bs.
Hope to see you at the races.
The Leahy's did a great job. The course was a comination of tight loose turns (lots of 4 to 6 in rocks) and high speed. Some parts were more high speed than Berthoud and others were pretty tight.
I had a great time. 2nd in 40+ B on Saturday. I was pretty tired for the Sunday race and finished 11th in the 30+ Bs. Reynome had a great race and finiished 3rd in the 30+Bs.
Hope to see you at the races.
wheelie4strokeB
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The track was marked well and the people putting on the event did a great job..... BUT I'll never go there again for a harescramble!!! It was 5 miles of motocross track along with GP. I've never gone to a National harescramble that only had two trees in the whole coarse. I'm not a motocrosser, but excuse me if I'm wrong but thats all it was. I am very disapointed in the AMA in calling this a Harescramble. Very low turn out for an National event a hundred and twenty some riders on Sunday, maybe some of the regular guys knew this wasn't gonna be a real HS. Now don't get me wrong I have great respect for motocrossers but when you go to a HS you expect a HS. Just my two cents, who ever didn't go didn't miss any thing unless you like doing table tops, whoops and doubles/tripples. 7th 4strokeA, 45th overall. :(
Bob Brooks
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It seems to depend on what part of the country you're from as to what our idea of a hare scrambles course is. Out West...less trees and faster, more open courses. In the Midwest and East...a lot less land, way more trees and much tighter, more technical courses. I don't think there's really a set definition for a hare scrambles course should be and that's part of the inherit beauty of it. It depends on what geography the race organizers have to work wtih. Different strokes for different folks.
reynome
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- Sep 1, 1999
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I thought that the course was great. A good variety of terrain that tested the rider in most areas. Other local HS courses are about the same. I am not sure you were expecting willyb, but if we let you flatlanders up in the hills for 2 hours of racing then you would bitch about the altatude instead of the lack of trees. :p
I would be disapointed too if I traveled that far to do not much better than half pack, but that doesnt mean the course was inferior.
I would be disapointed too if I traveled that far to do not much better than half pack, but that doesnt mean the course was inferior.
wheelie4strokeB
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I thought the course was fun but not what I expected. When I was pulling into Denver and seeing the mountians I was very pumped. Your right about the altatude, if we would have raced in the mountains I would have complained about that I suppose. I guess I was more upset with myself than the track. If i get better at that type of terain I'll be back next year. :)
reynome
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If some of us hill people make it down to your neck of the woods for some racing we will have to learn to pick the bark out of our bikes and roots out of our a$$. Personally I love a tree covered course but it is few and far between out here. Any events up in the mountains are hard to come by because of the restrictions on motorized use. I thought the course was tricky with the loose rocks and dusty conditions you did well considering it wasnt what you are used to and the locals are. You might like to come out and do a enduro up in the hills here, I recomend the national up in Rand Colo 7/14. You will get your share of trees, altatude, rocks and riding!!
There is a enduro run at the Lutheran valley ranch up in Divide, plenty of trees etc. I wonder why a National Harescramble couldn't have been run there. I totally agree about it being a motocross. I drove from divide and turned around and drove home after seeing the track, very disappointing.
Now this is all second hand as I understand it....so no quoting me.....
The main reason why the Pikes Peak enduro was cancelled was due to the Forest Service requesting an E.A. done on the area and for it to be paid by the club. This expense is upwards of $10,000. COHVCO got involved and it found that it would be illegal for the forest service to make the club pay for the E.A. It would have turned into yet another legal battle. The race *may* have happened had it been pushed. However, if it would have been pushed and the race went on, it would probably would have been the last one. So the reps backed off and decided to wait...thats the maybe next year part. Also I heard that the new district ranger was denying ALL permit requests....whatever that may mean.
Some other things to consider about the area up there:
1. It gets very busy on the weekends...not as bad as Rampart...but it is getting there. So each year it gets a little more sketchy and more difficult in keeping the non racers off the course...or at the very least, get them going the right direction. In many peoples minds that have been associated with the race for years, it is simply getting too dangerous to put on a race due to all of the weekend warriors up there.
2. The race in 2000 was dependent on fire danger, fortunately there was rain in July and August and the race went on. Granted, August is 3 months off, but if the drought keeps up, the race would not go on anyways...if it were not already cancelled.
Now about a Hare Scrambles up there....it would definately be easier to control 15 miles of trails rather then 90 in regards to keeping non-racers out of the way. It may prove to be difficult to convince the FS to let 400 bikes go on the same 15 mile loop 6 times....that's 2400 bikes.....
Then again....it would be easier to rehab 15 miles vs. 90 miles.
Finally, you would need to find a common start that accessed that 15 mile loop...plus you may need a meadow for a grass track or something to thin the riders out before going into the woods. Hmmmm....something to think about.
Just my .02.
Happy Trails!
The main reason why the Pikes Peak enduro was cancelled was due to the Forest Service requesting an E.A. done on the area and for it to be paid by the club. This expense is upwards of $10,000. COHVCO got involved and it found that it would be illegal for the forest service to make the club pay for the E.A. It would have turned into yet another legal battle. The race *may* have happened had it been pushed. However, if it would have been pushed and the race went on, it would probably would have been the last one. So the reps backed off and decided to wait...thats the maybe next year part. Also I heard that the new district ranger was denying ALL permit requests....whatever that may mean.
Some other things to consider about the area up there:
1. It gets very busy on the weekends...not as bad as Rampart...but it is getting there. So each year it gets a little more sketchy and more difficult in keeping the non racers off the course...or at the very least, get them going the right direction. In many peoples minds that have been associated with the race for years, it is simply getting too dangerous to put on a race due to all of the weekend warriors up there.
2. The race in 2000 was dependent on fire danger, fortunately there was rain in July and August and the race went on. Granted, August is 3 months off, but if the drought keeps up, the race would not go on anyways...if it were not already cancelled.
Now about a Hare Scrambles up there....it would definately be easier to control 15 miles of trails rather then 90 in regards to keeping non-racers out of the way. It may prove to be difficult to convince the FS to let 400 bikes go on the same 15 mile loop 6 times....that's 2400 bikes.....
Then again....it would be easier to rehab 15 miles vs. 90 miles.
Finally, you would need to find a common start that accessed that 15 mile loop...plus you may need a meadow for a grass track or something to thin the riders out before going into the woods. Hmmmm....something to think about.
Just my .02.
Happy Trails!
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