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[QUOTE="MWEISSEN, post: 1020231, member: 16873"] Jeremy, the numbers confirm what I thought. ATV riders are probably more casual users, convinced that the ATV's are safer to ride, and just want to get out in the woods. A lot of them are probably only fired up during deer hunting to get to the tree blind and haul a kill out (ie what my father used to do). I wasn't surprised that the numbers in the clubs and active groups are far short when compared to bikes. Dirt bikers are becoming a more specialized "serious" trail user. I see some of your points on distancing our use away from ATV support and allowing the groups to carry themselves. The use, and the needs are different. Since ATV users may be less aware of ways to avoid environmental damage and that staying on the trail is the right thing, they would tend to create more environmental damage. I've talked to some ATV riders that pride themselves in "opening up the tight trails for everyone". So there are probably those few users that "conquer" these nasty elements, then other more casual users move in and widen them more. Incredible, eh? I'd also venture to guess that an ATV rider is not going to be as willing to travel very far for casual weekend trail use. So, the trails close to larger urban areas are going to have a higher ATV to cycle ratio. So that's why Cedar Creek, White Cloud and Evart have been done in by ATV traffic. I think the parallel trail systems have shown that ATV's will leave single track alone so that both groups get a quality ride. This is more indicative that opening forest roads would probably greatly reduce the damage of 24/40" trail caused by ATV's [/QUOTE]
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